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D-Day for the Brexit shambles
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Beth Rigby about to explode
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The Stormont brake might work out as similar to the Border Commission which was supposedly embedded in the 1922 Treaty Agreement between UK and the Republic of Ireland .
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Yes Kelly,lack of detail on it indeed,ie can one party or is it majority pull laws?
However assuming it is majority it is a masterstroke i think(without the detail) Sunak pulled this off brilliantly,hard to make much furore on what was shown this afternoon. |
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Pleasegivemeanailedontip 27 Feb 23 15:55
EU will allow food and medicine to move freely around the UK. How very kind of them --------------------------------------------------------------- It is actually, because they already had an agreement from Johnson that they can allow / disallow. So I echo your sentiments  . |
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Well done pm Sunak and Ms Von der Leyen have done very well here
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The Stormont brake will only apply if Stormont is up and running . Clever carrot .
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Of course .. and there was no stormont break
until the DUP closed Stormont .. clever |
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Say thankyou
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Brake*
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No thankyou Kelly ? tut tut
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Free flow of goods … no thankyou Kelly ?
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The beauty of it i think though Kelly it gives them no reason to stay out,ie their argument re EU laws, if they aren't in Stormont they cannot block what they are meant to be against.
Caught by the balls i'm hoping. |
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Hopefully the DUP can return to Stormont
they’ve achieved very important changes to the protocol |
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All very clever indeed I must say. Protocol tweaked but unchanged in core substance.
DUP don't see it text until need to - call it the "windsor agreement", get Karl Saxe-Coburg to symbolically endorse it. Job done. ( Instruction is - just be quiet and spin it to the hardline knuckle-draggers, most of NI supports protocol so deal with it). Done deal - nobody will have the appetite to go around the houses again. DUP just have to get on with it..... no audience left. |
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the ‘ Windsor Framework ‘ I like that
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Didnt they also say that they will allow the UK to tax beer in NI as they do in the rest of union?
Bravo! All hail the EU! They are so generous i almost want a second referendum |
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The protocol ( now the Windsor agreement )has been fundamentally altered
in very important practical ways |
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Sorry, apologies. The Windsor Framework - supporting the NI Protocol.
Must say Sunak / VDL has shown very good political craft here. Ball is in DUP court - you need to sell this to survive. |
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Rishi before heading to parliament will have a nice cup of Green tea.
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Rishi deserves it he’s done well , very well |
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Lots of sleepless nights and clandestine street meetings for Donaldson and Co . Elections in May , the clock is ticking .
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Yes Kelly, indeed. Instead of DUP 'prodding' (no pun intended
) - and annoying everyone. What do they do - if they don't like it? Snookered. They really have to 'big it up' as a concession, if not - then politically in the sh1t. |
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So you're not interested in the agreement being fair WF you just
want a stick to hit those politicians you disagree with. |
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What's not fair about his it?
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I'm sure the ballot box in May will be fair.
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Every thing looks very fair,the dup complained they weren't able to get British produce,they are now, they complained about EU laws,they can now do something about it.
They should be ecstatic. |
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Bit rich coming from you Aka, but we'll let that go......
From a purely 'strategic' perspective this is beginning to look quite impressive from Sunak / VDL 1. Gets some concessions from EU 2. Streamlines the working of the protocol - makes it better ( nearly as far as it can possibly go to safeguard two internal markets where one location needs to be in both) 3. Opens a "potential" Westminster veto of EU law in NI ( theoretical, but still there) 4. But yet keeps EU law in NI so as not to impact EU Single Market and border with ROI (ROI is not ok, then EU would not be ok) 5. Makes Johnson look incompetent - "fixing his mess" ( and more astute than May, we can of course try to forget Truss  )6. Friendlier terms with EU - and still keeps ERG at bay 7. Could potentially further weaken / split ERG if hardliners still find this unacceptable 8. DUP need to realise the vast majority of people will see now this as the best possible solution ( concessions from both EU and UK) and they have no choice but to get on-side. They need to learn - negotiations involve compromise, or they are not negotiations. Every time they adopt a hard-line stance they lose out. Think if he pulls this off, then he could start to position himself as a "statesman" - which could be helpful in stopping the drift away from teh Tories by people who have had enough of the belligerence, bluster and the chaos |
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In short - designed in such a way that opposition to it is difficult without seeming intransigent or unrealistic, or even not prepared to see how it works.
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Bang on WF!
Johnsons Protocol Bill to override it has just been thrown out by Sunak(source Robert Peston) The adults are now in charge. |
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Everybody's happy.
Can trouble be far behind? |
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Are you saying that was the intention WF? Or is it merely how you see it?
In short - designed in such a way that opposition to it is difficult without seeming intransigent or unrealistic, |
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Wallflower seems as confused as ever
He seems to grudgingly admit that this is a good deal , and yet at the same time he says in his words ‘ every time they adopt a hard line stance they lose ‘ Hmmm ok , if it makes you feel better , lol |
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Probably "designed" is too strong a word if viewed as designed from the outset. Think that would have been too difficult a task anyway.
But certainly I think once they got the most of it together, it then had to be tweaked in such a way that the main objections points could be offset by various other components or indeed vagueness, whilst still respecting the red lines of each. EU trade law a case in point - its laws still apply in NI, but new ones can be veto'd by Westminster. So is EU / UK law supreme - can't really tell ...... could argue it either way, and is still operational. ( Mind you, if vetoing any laws ever happens that will test the agreement).But how do you object to it without presenting another solution and thereby looking to be as much of the problem as the issues themselves. Sunak / VDL will get credit but some canny operators drafted / negotiated a lot of this. |
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They’re such bitter spiteful little things the scotch separatists ..
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There was me thinking scotch was a drink
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What difference is there in the trade laws in NI compared to the rest of the U.K. wallflower ?
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Why did they have to pay more tax on their beer?
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Oven ready reset
The bhoy done well, bizarre |
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Certainly takes away any platform Boris thought he might have also.
Beware of Rishi |
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This Windsor Framework - and the new arrangements not only
protects N Irelands place with in the U.K. .. it strengthens it Simply because of the unique nature of the deal that NI now enjoys They have full and free access for business and trade within U.K. and also the EU , . No other country has that They would be foolish to think of splitting from the U.K. and giving up that very favourable and unique position . So it certainly strengthens the case for people in NI to stay as part of UK |