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Signs are that reality has set in amongst the few prominent Conservatives not afraid of the ERG.
Hopefully the potential possible re-alignment mooted involving discussions between UK and EU will bear fruit .
Reckon Sunak and Co have finally realised that the ultra Brexiteers need to be side-lined , support for them having dwindled dramatically among the potential voting public .
We are probably in the last chance saloon regarding relationships between the UK/EU , with the USA looking over the shoulders of the UK in particular . Westminster needs to assert itself as the Government of the whole UK , not just as a branch of the right of the Tories .
Hopefully the potential possible re-alignment mooted involving discussions between UK and EU will bear fruit .
Reckon Sunak and Co have finally realised that the ultra Brexiteers need to be side-lined , support for them having dwindled dramatically among the potential voting public .
We are probably in the last chance saloon regarding relationships between the UK/EU , with the USA looking over the shoulders of the UK in particular . Westminster needs to assert itself as the Government of the whole UK , not just as a branch of the right of the Tories .
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^^Utter tripe.
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It feels like a really important moment. A chance to remind the DUP that they are non-entities and that the ERG are a fringe curiously-funded lobby group, and that the actual job of making important policy decisions for the UK resides with the cabinet. They either crawl back into their boxes or we have another 18 months of civil war.
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^^More tripe.
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Go on then Einstein. Put the pills down and try and construct a couple of sentences explaining your thoughts.
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He’s Irish
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Happy Protocol day everyone, this could be a cracker altogether.
Best possible outcome is NI stays of course in the EU. The green/red lane thing in no checks on goods entering NI from UK seems fair and were the dups argument for so long until the impossible 7 'tests'(lol). The grown ups are in the room now,johnson,erg,dup,need to allow this for the greater good of all citizens of the UK,the stark reality was spelled out with Ditchly Park a few weeks ago. |
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There’s no point explaining anything , it’s a waste of time
as above |
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Go on then Einstein. Put the pills down and try and construct a couple of sentences explaining your thoughts.
How's your blood pressure, sucker? |
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keep running, chicken
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sorry, meet-free alternative chicken
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It looks like I struck a nerve with PP, by mentioning his blood pressure.
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Maybe the brexit posts are striking a nerve with yourself? Johnson 'fans',erg types,unionists all in the horrors as what they believed/followed being shown up for the sack o sheet it really is?
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Just amused by doc perpetually running away when asked to front up. Quite the intellect.
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Unless the EU drops their legal oversight then the sovereignty issue persists. I can't see them dropping this in which case it is unlikely to be acceptable to the DUP and the ERG.
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But sovereignty never exists. If you want to sell beef to the US, you need to ensure the quality meets their standards. Twas ever thus. And the bigger party always gets its way in the end.
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Of course the EU should have oversight of what enters its territory, the issue is they have oversight over what is moved into the British province of Northern Ireland from the mainland which is the issue.
As far as I can tell, the red and green lanes are to separate goods in transit to the EU from those intended for NI. |
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perpetually running away when asked to front up.
Once bitten twice shy. That's called intelligence, of which you have little. It doesn’t pay to cross swords too often with any leftie on here. Even one as dim as you. I used to when I thought the mods were impartial, but not now. The lefties can post what they wish, while their opponents have to choose their words very carefully. I don’t debate on those terms. And you’re the one with high blood pressure slinging abuse. |
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It is apparent from long term posting attitudes that those from the far right of the political spectrum regard anyone not of that mind set as a "leftie" .
Which shows up the shallow nature of their ability to debate sensibly . Most of us belong firmly in the "middle" , and view the far right and the far left in a very dubious light . Most of Northern Ireland are not unduly concerned about the protocol , we viewed it as the inevitable result of the fallout from a hard Brexit . As for loss of sovereignty , it is largely an invented red herring , designed to try to legitimise the DUP attitude to playing second fiddle to Sinn Fein in the NI governing process . The DUP love saying No , it was Paisleys rallying call to everything , and they still love it . |
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upside down thinking from our Irish friend
A border in the Irish Sea is not a hard Brexit .. but a compromise Of course it is Britain and the unionists who the nationalists expect to compromise … they’re very presumptuous in that way |
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Well we still haven’t seen the detail , it’s a very strange way to go about things
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A deal nobody has seen.
An unelected Prime Minister... of a party the majority voted against... meeting an unelected King... to do a deal with a foreign power... and calling it the will of the British People? |
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In any event there does appear to be sensible proposals
to correct some of the very serious issues re U.K. trade So that’s progress hopefully and will be in place as soon as possible Stormont can remain closed if there are any outstanding areas not resolved |
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Well again pp .. it’s not I or yourself or the Irish nationalists
who are making that compromise- it’s the unionists So it’s best to ask them .. |
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But it's not just the unionists is it. It's everyone. It's customers possibly affected by higher costs, and businesses having to deal with the paperwork. It's only the unionists who pretend that they're the only ones affected. But everyone is and everyone else seems to have happily adapted.
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Of course it’s everyone who is affected by the extra costs
That’s why everyone should be thankful to the unionists if these rumours of improvements are true … the nationalists and republicans have been too busy flag waving to seem to care |
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Will they say thankyou ?
Let’s see …. |
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They won't say any thanks at all, the dup are trying to sabotage democracy in NI to protect their selfish enclave.
They are prepared to do this and scupper the good the protocol has brought. |
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 there you go , no one likes to be thankful |
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Firstly as stated the DUP unionists always say NO, I am very sure that's not going to change this week.
Secondly, the May elections are in view, let them feel the pain there. Thirdly, there's no going back. |
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And the Irish Sea border is a good compromise. Wouldn't you agree?
The French coast would be just as sensible, wouldn't you agree? Johnson was wrong to assume that the EU would use the protocol sensibly taking into account the primacy of the Belfast Agreement. Instead, they have used it as a political wedge diverting trade from the mainland to the EU. This is unacceptable to the UK although Irish republicans seem to think it's a good thing and are openly expressing their wish to annex the province. This will only lead to trouble and the situation needs to be addressed. |
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Firstly Irish nationalists only ever say yes .. when it suits them
Whenever it doesn’t it is always NO ( and with threats and with violence ) Secondly - When a political party stands on a manifesto commitment .. it’s best for democracy if they adhere to that . People don’t want mps who say one thing and do another Thirdly - stick to the present , that seems to me to be of greater value |
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Giving up land that doesnt belong to them
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It's about the UK I thought, but you keep banging on about nationalists.
Just get on with Rishi, you are the Prime Minister of the UK. The King knows best and is in agreement with the PM. That's all we need to know at this present moment. |
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Rishi could be the UK's greatest ever PM.
The King is playing his part and renamimg the NIP.the 'Windsor Agreement' may also help to move on. I do think Sinn Fein FM Michelle O'Neill should be present in the room with Rishi and Ursula as she speaks for the majority in the North of the island of Ireland. |
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Breaking , done deal.
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Of course it’s about the U.K. - but you keep banging on about the DUP
Implement these improvements as soon as possible .. very good work DUP Now then there is Stormont - and that is a matter for the DUP , they will look at any outstanding issues , if there are any such , and make their decision And that’s a matter for them , not Westminster |
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And it certainly is none of your business either , cheers
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