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Channel migrants Rescued, some.
Channel migrants Rescued, some.
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They are leaving France by dinghie - if they are in France they
shouldn’t be applying for asylum in England so any process or lack of such for asylum seekers in these cases does not apply |
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Here we have a chronic shortage of houses. A health service on its knees. Every public service under pressure. Hotels bursting with people who have entered the country illegally, and the lefties are arguing to make everything worse.
It’s no wonder Maggie called these lot - ''the enemy within.'' |
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You can apply for asylum in your choice of country, HOWEVER if you've got 10k to pay the worst humans imaginable then your claim should be null and void IMMEDIATELY
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Yep, you truly are. You swallow every soundbite like the good little sheep you are. Tories promising to build hundreds of thousands of houses every year but build none. Hey, blame it on immigration! Tories promising to build 40 new hospitals but instead refuse to even sit down with nurses' unions and watch as the NHS is brought to its knees. Hey, blame it on immigration! Numbers of immigrants rising after brexit, no recruitment to match meaning they're now looking at shelf stackers to process claims and refugees being housed in unfit barracks where disease is widespread. Hey, blame it on immigration!
You should log on to ebay to get an extra braincell because that one's awful lonely. |
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THE GREAT REPLACEMENT THEORY ... another 'conspiracy theory' coming true
Migrants will be encouraged to move to rural areas through a special visa to combat depopulation and replenish ageing communities under plans by Government advisers Intelligent old British people replaced by simpletons who will work for pennies & have zero affinity to the country Just what massive corporations want . https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/12/13/migrants-encouraged-move-rural-areas-boost-economies-population/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1670933678-1 |
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 This is lfc's smarter brother. Please remember this when trying to reason with him. |
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HOWEVER if you've got 10k to pay the worst humans imaginable then your claim should be null and void IMMEDIATELY
Yes, they've got 10K readily available, but they've haven't got any documents. Send them back! |
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pp last I checked the rules were that you apply for asylum in your first safe country
When did that change , or is France not considered to be a safe country ? |
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Oh well , it seems that’s another question that will remain
mysteriously unanswered |
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Ask your smarter brother
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Well I heard it from Italy’s new Prime Minister
This is what she said : Under current EU regulations migrants reaching Italy must have their asylum requests processed there , a process that can take months or years . |
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Does France have different rules to Italy ?
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That's not what the EU says - https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/policies/migration-and-asylum/common-european-asylum-system/country-responsible-asylum-application-dublin-regulation_en
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You have got it wrong nobby, he looks more like sparrow's big brother to me.
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That is what the EU regulations say
Unless Germany or France or any other country agrees to take on the responsibility of processing asylum seekers it must take place in Italy Here are the Italian pms words ‘ if we let them in and they can’t go north Italy becomes the refugee camp of Europe ‘ ‘ That isn’t reasonable |
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Got it now pp ?
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I've literally given you a link to what the EU follows.
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Got it now pp ?
That's impossible lfc - he'll be back tomorrow with the same arguments. |
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It's the one argument. It's the EU's one. FFS
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I’ve read it and you haven’t understood it
I’ll explain again . If a country agrees to take some asylum seekers from another safe country ( the EU ) then those asylum claims can be processed in let’s say Germany rather than Italy However if Germany or another EU country declines then the asylum claim must take place in Italy Now England has not agreed to take these migrants crossing the channel by dinghie Their asylum claims should be processed in France as it is a safe country Understand the rules now pp ? |
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So you're saying the EU has a rule saying countries can simply refuse to process asylum claims?
That's what you're saying? |
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Assuming they aren't signed up to the Refugee Convention, though I think everyone in the EU has done.
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Give up lfc "you can beat it and eat it but you cannot educate pork".
The populations of Africa 1.4 BILLION ,population of Asia 1.4 Billion only a do gooder leftie could think little UK ,could absorb every single male ,unskilled economic migrant who fancies a giro and a bit of room service and can plead to a lawyer Starmer crony any old spurious sob story.Should we manage to accommodate the wishes of the many ,the dependants scam kicks in. The socialist plan to solve this ,ask that nice Mr Macron to hold a few back at a price ,like he did before Brexit ,did he fck. |
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PorcupineorPineapple what did I tell you about explaining things to lfc
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pp that’s not what I am saying
Obviously when migrants arrive in England illegally or illegally we have to process them . That’s why we have thousands occupying our hotels The point is EU countries will come to an agreement to take so many migrants ( some may even opt out I don’t know but anyway ) if there is an understanding then Migrants don’t have to apply for asylum in the first safe country ( say Italy ) But that does not mean that European countries should not and indeed they must control their borders from illegal migration . |
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And another one...Doesn't matter how upset some people are at refugees or migrants or whoever. You don't just get to make the rules up to what you want them to be. We signed up to legally binding stuff. Them's the rules. No amount of stomping your feet and throwing your rusk around won't change it.
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We are happy to abide by the rules
But are just attempting to stop the madness of people crossing the channel from France in dinghies |
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England doubtless will take its fair share
But that shouldn’t include thousands crossing the channel |
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I actually agree with that point (3.38) mostly (
 )But I'm wondering how it relates to the point you originally made - pp last I checked the rules were that you apply for asylum in your first safe country When did that change , or is France not considered to be a safe country ? You first said refugees had to apply in the first safe country. This is clearly not true though to your credit you seem to have taken the last few hours to learn it. |
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Migrants don’t have to apply for asylum in their first safe country
IF another country ( say EU ) agrees to take a proportion of migrants from one safe country ( say Italy ) Also IF migrants arrive across borders illegally say into Germany then it is probably going to be Germany who processes the asylum claim That’s assuming they don’t travel through France and across the channel by dinghie to England |
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Migrants deciding where to apply for asylum is not contingent on countries' "quotas".
Migrants simply have the right to decide where to apply for asylum, full stop. They could do a world tour first if they wanted, but the Geneva Convention says they can choose where they want to claim and can't be forced to do it in a specific place. |
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Nice , I’m not going to get into that just now pp
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There's nothing to get into. It's an old trope that's been debunked comprehensively. Flat may throw his dummy out but them's the rules.
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Funny how the Japanese have virtually zero illegals or refugees
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