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By:
brentford
When: 11 Sep 22 21:41
where have the west invaded Lux ?

or do you mean democratically elected regimes ?
By:
edy
When: 11 Sep 22 21:44

Sep 11, 2022 -- 9:35PM, lux wrote:


"Not one inch eastward" Feb 90


Never moved an inch eastwards towards the Soviet Union.

By:
lux
When: 11 Sep 22 21:52
"NATO would not expand one inch eastward" James Baker - Feb 90
By:
brentford
When: 11 Sep 22 21:59
Putin...we have no intention to invade Ukraine (2022)
By:
lux
When: 11 Sep 22 22:03
“We’re going to cram NATO expansion down the Russian’s throats because Moscow is weak…, The cold war is over for you but not for us.”

Clinton 1998
By:
brentford
When: 11 Sep 22 22:04
are you suggesting that states that were created at the will of their people (democratically) should have had no say in joining a force that has never aggressively targeted any country in Europe that wasn't currently committing genocide or other war crimes.. ??
By:
lux
When: 11 Sep 22 22:33
Would the US allow Russian missiles on its borders?
By:
brentford
When: 11 Sep 22 22:39
no and rightly so given recent evidence...

a regime that murders journalists, poisons opposition leaders, ex cronies, invades sovereign nations...commits cybercrime against all and sundry...

why, would you let them ?
By:
edy
When: 11 Sep 22 22:43
Russians made the amateur mistake of oppressing every "brotherly" (or so the oppressors said) folk in its vicinity big time in different empires for about 300 years. Not a good long-term strategy if you want to be loved by those around you.

Then Germany, Austria, Germany, Britain et al. tried really hard to be Russia's friends since the 90's. Buying from them, selling to them, inviting their politicians into Bundestag. And what do Russia do now? Throwing all the advances in relations away over stupid imperialistic nostalgia of wanting to again oppress every "brotherly" folk in its vicinity again. Sad
By:
edy
When: 11 Sep 22 22:43
Replace the 2nd Germany with Italy.
By:
lux
When: 11 Sep 22 22:52
the only divergence that matters surrounds globalism pro or anti

we could be here all day listing perceived US missteps

and nothing would be more tedious
By:
brentford
When: 11 Sep 22 22:55
so anti globalism requires murderous dictatorship literally pulling billions to it's inner circle and threatening death to anyone that opposes it, rather than just palm greasing ?
By:
edy
When: 11 Sep 22 22:56
Wait, Russia is the shining beacon of anti-globalism?
By:
lux
When: 11 Sep 22 23:00
No, clearly not. Merely a question of self determination. Nativism etc.
By:
edy
When: 11 Sep 22 23:01
Well, Russia claims Ukrainians don't exist and don't have a right to lands and native language.
By:
edy
When: 11 Sep 22 23:01
Much unlike the UK which is all into Ukraine, Ukrainians, Ukrainian language and tradition being allowed to exist.
By:
lux
When: 11 Sep 22 23:05
Russia were happy to withdraw to the Feb 23rd demarcation , Scuppered by the filthy dirty west.
By:
edy
When: 11 Sep 22 23:07
Yeah, I saw your thread on everyone's favourite massive Queen hater PJW taking bits and pieces from a much longer The Atlantic (?) column that had en entirely different tone.
By:
edy
When: 11 Sep 22 23:08
Let's be realistic here: Russia would have used any such thing to constantly break any ceasefire and regroup for a second Blitzkrieg attempt.
By:
brentford
When: 11 Sep 22 23:09
Lux is a Rus Bot Laugh

he was doing well till that meltdown ...
By:
lux
When: 11 Sep 22 23:11
meltdown?
By:
lux
When: 11 Sep 22 23:11
I think if i was having a meltdown i'd be aware
By:
brentford
When: 11 Sep 22 23:13
the filthy dirty west (love when you talk dirty)

as opposed to the illegally invading, opposition and free media murdering ...very moderate regime of Poots.. ?
By:
edy
When: 11 Sep 22 23:18
No need to be a russian bot. For years now many people in our countries have simply considered Russia and Putin as their big allies in the fight against all the things they hate in the west like women that are allowed to vote and make a driver's licence without a written note by their fathers/husbands, people that don't share their exact complexion, Spongebob Squarepants, gay people, modern art and Italian bands with ultra hot male singers that like to show butt at award shows.
By:
edy
When: 11 Sep 22 23:24
It doesn't help that it is the St. Petersburg trolls that feed their urges in those topics, with (not really that subtle) Russian manipulation sprinkled in.
By:
lux
When: 11 Sep 22 23:25
more delusional shoite

lol

nobody actually cares about women voting, driving etc outside ISIS or the fkin Taliban.
By:
edy
When: 11 Sep 22 23:36
Loving that you admit you choose to subject yourself to Russian propaganda trolls because they feed your anti-Spongebob urges.
By:
edy
When: 11 Sep 22 23:38
Also, of course all those Proud Boys and what have you very much have a problem with women having rights.
By:
edy
When: 11 Sep 22 23:40
https://i.imgur.com/7ZPRrPL.jpg

If anyone needs any inspiration, this is a telegram screenshot I was once sent by a TRUE and REAL American Patriot.
By:
edy
When: 11 Sep 22 23:41
For all those that also wish to become TRUE and Real patriots.
By:
lux
When: 11 Sep 22 23:43
Say the name Yanukovych and most of the Western appeasers won't have a clue.
By:
edy
When: 11 Sep 22 23:44
What they appeasing?
By:
irishone
When: 12 Sep 22 06:29
democracy is the issue
By:
sparrow
When: 12 Sep 22 10:19
Russia targeted infrastructure facilities in central and eastern Ukraine on Sunday evening in a response to a dramatic Ukrainian counter-offensive in Kharkiv province that has reshaped the war and left Moscow reeling.

The mayor of Kharkiv city, Ihor Terekhov, said a strike had knocked out power and water to much of the city, in what he described as an act of “revenge” by Russia for Ukraine’s recent battlefield successes. There were reports of blackouts in Dnipro, Poltava and other eastern cities, potentially affecting millions of civilians.

Volodymyr Zelenskiy blamed “Russian terrorists” for the blackouts. “No military facilities [were attacked],” the Ukrainian president said in a statement on social media. “The goal is to deprive people of light and heat.”

In a message on Telegram on Sunday night, he said the Kremlin would not succeed in breaking the Ukrainian people, and appeared to address the Russian leadership, asking: “Do you still think that we are ‘one people’? Do you still think that you can scare us, break us, make us make concessions? You really did not understand anything?”

In an early evening update on the military situation, Valeriy Zaluzhnyi, the commander-in-chief of Ukrainian forces, said Ukrainian soldiers had regained control of about 3,000 sq km of territory since the start of September, and were approaching the border in the country’s north-east.

“In the Kharkiv direction, we began to advance not only to the south and east, but also to the north. There are 50km to go to the state border [with Russia],” Zaluzhnyi said.

The Ukrainians have retaken the rail hub of Kupiansk, 60 miles east of Kharkiv, and are in the process of seizing Izium, which was being abruptly abandoned by the Russians whose defence ministry said their forces were regrouping.

Then on Sunday night, the country’s military said it had seized checkpoints due north of Kharkiv city, on the Russian border, in an area separate from the breakthroughs of the past week, south-east and east of the industrial city.

In an attempt to hit back, Russia launched strikes targeting the power grid on Sunday that plunged Kharkiv and other areas into darkness. Ukraine’s leadership has long feared that attacks on the grid could take place in the run-up to winter.

In Sumy province in the north-east, the governor urged residents to unplug electrical devices. “Electric tension has fallen in the network through the region,” Dmytro Zhyvytsky wrote on the Telegram messaging app. “I recommend disconnecting electrical devices as much as possible.”

Officials in Sumy, Dnipropetrovsk and Poltava regions said power was restored shortly after, but Kharkiv was still in darkness as midnight approached. Mykhailo Podolyak, a top Zelenskiy aide, said the city’s CHPP-5 electricity station had been hit.

The Russian strikes come after several days of striking Ukrainian gains. According to the Institute for the Study of War, a US thinktank, Ukraine has retaken more territory in five days than Russia had taken since April in the lightning counteroffensive, whose success has alarmed vocal supporters.
Ramzan Kadyrov, the Kremlin-appointed leader of Chechnya, criticised the military for the battlefield setbacks and said he might have to raise his concerns with president Vladimir Putin if the strategy did not change within a day or two.

“I will be forced to speak with the leadership of the defence ministry and the leadership of the country to explain the real situation on the ground to them,” the nationalist leader said. “It’s a very interesting situation. It’s astounding, I would say,” he added.

Russia’s leadership has said little about the fast-developing military situation. But defence ministry spokesperson Igor Konashenkov claimed in a statement the Russian retreat was in fact a “regrouping of forces” in Izium and nearby to strengthen defence lines in the neighbouring Donetsk region.

On Sunday night, Ukrainian military intelligence claimed that the general commanding Russia’s western army group has been sacked in the wake of the retreat. It reported on its Telegram channel that Gen Roman Berdnikov has been replaced after only 17 days in his post.

On Saturday, as the disastrous news for Russia from the front trickled through, Putin was busy opening a huge observation wheel in a Moscow park as part of celebrations for Moscow Day. Military bloggers sharply criticised him for going ahead with the celebrations and making no reference to the war.

Videos from recently recaptured territory illustrate the scale of the rout, showing military hardware and ammunition left behind by fleeing Russians at their former positions. Ukrainian politicians shared morale-boosting videos of the country’s soldiers raising the national flag in various towns and villages.

Ukrainian officials stopped short of confirming they had recaptured Izium, however, but Zelenskiy’s chief of staff, Andriy Yermak, posted a photo of troops on its outskirts and tweeted an emoji of grapes. The city’s name means “raisin”.

Izium, captured by the Russians in March and April, is a strategic gateway into the western Donbas, which is still under Ukrainian control, and was one of most advanced bridgeheads held by the invaders in the east of the country.
A day earlier, on Saturday night, Zelenskiy put the figure of recaptured territory at 2,000 sq km, notably lower than the commander in chief’s figure, suggesting sweeping gains were being made in an area Russia had hoped to integrate into its homeland.

Even Kyiv has been somewhat surprised by its success. Ukraine’s defence minister, Oleksiy Reznikov, said Kyiv’s lightning offensive had gone far “better than expected” in an interview with the Financial Times – and he warned that it would be important to consolidate its gains.

Kyiv had surprised Moscow with the attack which began on Tuesday last week, in an that was area lightly defended with no available reserves, partly because Russia had redeployed some of its more experienced forces to the south to defend Kherson, where Ukraine had begun a separate counterattack.

Speaking at a conference in Kyiv over the weekend, Zelenskiy said the next three months would be critical. “Ahead are 90 days that will determine more than 30 years of Ukrainian independence. Ninety days that more than all other years will determine the existence of the EU. The winter will determine our future,” he said.

Analysts now believe that Ukraine may, despite Reznikov’s caution, press on further and push into the north of Luhansk province, one of the two Donbas regions, that Russia had claimed as wholly captured in July.
By:
saddo
When: 12 Sep 22 12:03
edy 11 Sep 22 22:43 


Then Germany, Austria, Germany, Britain et al. tried really hard to be Russia's friends since the 90's. Buying from them, selling to them, inviting their politicians into Bundestag. And what do Russia do now? Throwing all the advances in relations away over stupid imperialistic nostalgia of wanting to again oppress every "brotherly" folk in its vicinity again. Sad

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Happy Nice blame apportioning there edy. The Russians invaded once they had their hands on German throats, I don't think Britain Austria, or anyone else, had a say in Nord Stream, did they?
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 12 Sep 22 12:15
The idea that Western powers tried to improve relations with Russia since the 90s, can be gauged by the amount of stuff in the UK press saying anything good about Russia.

There isn't any.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 12 Sep 22 12:17
Suggest you read Moneyland by Oliver Bulloughs. Putin's men were welcomed into this country with open arms.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 12 Sep 22 12:26
I suggest you watch this lecture and others by Vladimir Pozner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34tsU2aBtBw

And don't give me a lecture on who he is or what he was. I already know.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 12 Sep 22 12:31
I suggest you watch this talk from Vladimir Pozner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34tsU2aBtBw

And don’t lecture me on what he is or what he was. I already know.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 12 Sep 22 12:33
The first post hadn't appeared after several minutes.

I posted again and they both appeared together.
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