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Biden intentionally caused Putin to invade Ukraine to “create a great smokescreen, to create a distraction from all the real issues here affecting Americans.”

more misinformation from guinessdear/guiseppi  it has nothing to do with nato  it is all in putin's diseased mind and hatred for the idea of a democracy on his borders  -=


your constant support of putin is sickening

mo

Ukraine has been a democracy since 1991

Russia never invaded until they sytarted talking about joining NATO

i'm not supporting Putin

i am explaining what he is doing and why

Ukraines urge civilanss to remove street signs
so the enemy is lost
Would have thought the tanks had satnav!!!

The media and politicians are actively salivating at the public making Molotov cocktails ffs

They’ve got them if their killed, they can’t have any defence after can they, they were firing on the “enemy”

Even though this is essentially an illegal invasion under international laws ffs, but let’s just bypass that shall we eh, media/politicians

They won’t be getting away with this, they themselves are fair game the lying little bast@rds

Sont.
Who exactly are the “THEY” in the
they’ve allowed this to happen by allowing build up of troops on the border they’ve allowed them to just waltz in

Are you saying the Ukrainian government should have attacked Russian troops when they were in Russia and Belarus?



I’ve heard some beauties coming out the forum experts….

SontaranStratagem 11 Feb 22 18:47
They won’t invade

Sont

Care to provide a link to the story that Russian troops haven’t invaded Ukraine.

Should be an interesting read. Is it all staged in the same film studio as the moon landings?

Once again you seem to have unearthed the biggest story on the planet and another worldwide conspiracy.
Can’t understand how you can’t get a job for years and years when you have all these talents to find “the truth “ which the rest of the world have missed.

Looking forward to that link Sont.

Can the satnav signals be scrambled for Ukraine ?

"No lad, it started nearly a decade ago when Russia took Crimea and the west stood to one side and looked at all the billions sloshing through their banks."

Russia took Crimea in 2014 because a revolutionary pro-NATO government had just taken over in Kiev, and Russia was worried they would lose their naval base at Sevastopol (which they leased from Ukraine)

In the confrontation between good and evil Germany has finally taking a stand  Forum appeasers and murderous despot apologists who claimed it would be a Russian rout and nothing we can do are already looking foolish.

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you are no mate of mine  - you support the actions of putin as some sort of political scenario which is on paper as far as your odd pro putin stance  - a killer of civilians and children

even chiding AT  for saying it was happening  - you are a disgusting individual and not needed on this forum with your propaganda

PorcupineorPineapple Joined: 03 Dec 15
Replies: 1332025 Feb 22 10:26 
Does anyone still think “NATO enlargement” has been “the problem”?

Does anyone still labour under the illusion our governments haven’t known for many years precisely what Putin is, & what needs to be done about him? /1.

Let me tell you a story from 2008. My son was 10 days old. Having co-led a UK diplomatic crisis response to Putin’s invasion of Georgia, I’d been asked urgently to review our policy toward Russia. “Urgent”, for such a fundamental piece of work still meant a month or so. /2.

Now here I was sitting opposite the Foreign Secretary explaining the outcome to him. This is part of what I said:

“Russia is run by the people who own it, principally an elite of a few dozen, largely dominated by ex-KGB officials with a world view formed during Soviet days./3.

“Putin calls the shots. The leadership elite are driven by personal vested interests in money, survival, & security-dominated notions of Russian greatness. They are neither aligned with our values nor - for the most part - our interests. /4.

“There is only a long term prospect of a Russian regime which is.

“The Russian leadership feels able to be more assertive internationally, often in ways which threaten our interests, even if capability does not always match ambition. /5.

“Russia seeks to use energy dependency to exert influence over the foreign policy of EU member states.

“Russia has invaded Georgia. Further Russian military interventions are unlikely in the near term but cannot be ruled out. In the longer term they are a real danger. /6.

“The hope of a strategic or broad-based partnership with Russia has receded into the distant future. Current policy should be realistic about this, & should be based on the most likely scenario for the medium term (a decade or more). /7.

“That is: a Russian leadership similar, or possibly harsher, in foreign policy outlook & behaviour to the current one. Not hoped-for, more benign scenarios”. /8.

I went on to explain how closely concerted effort with the US & our EU/NATO allies, across a range of specific areas, was vital. /9.

And I drew his attention to a series of hair-raising facts about the nature of the threat Putin posed, & precisely how that could - & should - be neutralised. Permanently. /10.

At this point, it’s important to say that, while I carried ultimate responsibility for what I was presenting, & it was my view, I didn’t just sit down & make it up! /11.

The best experts & most senior officials, including from key international partners, had been throughly involved.

Some influential folk were clearly uncomfortable & tried to shout me down.

They were wrong then. They’re wrong now. You’ll hear some of them on the airwaves. /12

Fortunately the politicians & the most important officials did listen.

Others, later, failed to. And here we are.

I was right.

Perhaps I shouldn’t like being right.

If I do, please nonetheless believe me when I say, today, being right makes me sick to the stomach. /13.

Nothing I told the Foreign Secretary at the time, or repeated when called on again as later Putin crises wreaked more havoc & murderous destruction, was news to his counterparts in central and eastern European countries. /14.

If you want to know why pretty much every central & eastern European country was determined to join NATO, you only need look at what’s been happening since the early hours of the morning of 24 February 2022, Kyiv time, across Ukraine. /15.

sovereign, independent, eastern European country & UN member state. But not a member of NATO.

They all knew many years back this day could come.

And, like the US intelligence we’ve been hearing so much of over the last days & weeks, they were dead right. /16.

It didn’t take much imagination, to be fair.

They all knew about 1948 (Berlin Blockade). 1953 (military repression of East German uprising). 1956 (invasion of Hungary). /17.

1958 - 1961 (Berlin Crisis culminating in the puppet East German government building the “Anti-Fascist Protection Wall”). 1968 (invasion of Czechoslovakia).

Part of the Putin propaganda line is to claim vulnerability to invasion from the West. /18.

Germany’s despicable war of aggression - WW2 - is a prime reason cited for fearfulness of the USSR/ Russia, or indeed other former Soviet republics, including Ukraine.

The terrible reality of the German atrocity of WW2 is indisputable.  /19.

The difference in 2022 is that the Federal Republic of Germany has been run for decades as an exemplary democracy - not without its flaws, of course.

Russia, to put it at its mildest, hasn’t. /20.

In any case Putin’s stated “justification” for invading Ukraine has nothing to do with NATO (he mentions it briefly in paragraph 978, or whatever, of his ghastly speech in the early hours of 24 February).

It’s all based on the idea of Ukraine having no right to exist. /21.

And that’s what he’s been saying about Ukraine … forever.

The real reason is different again.

Putin is being driven, & has been for over two decades now, by an escalatory dynamic which almost inevitably pushes klepto-oligarchic psychopaths to ever greater extremes. /22.

Of repressive violence. Political distraction. And theft – of resources & often territories.

There’s typically no limit.

Unless they’re stopped by force. Or death.

And this one has nuclear weapons. /23.

All our governments have known exactly that, & a lot more besides, for well over a decade.

Yet they have failed.

We all need to ask why. And, yes, we need to ask now.

Because some of those governments need to be disposed of. Now. /24.

Otherwise, don’t be surprised if Putin disposes of us.

You’ve heard it said often. But I’ll say it again.

This isn’t a drill. /25. End

https://cepa.org/italy-putins-biggest-european-friend/

mo you are ignorant of what is ahppening

please come back when you can explain what those red and black flags are

no ignorance here just hoping apologists for putin's tyranny would be removed from this forum

you are ignorant mo

you know nothing about Ukraine

glad to see someone else is helping to defend the ukraine rather than undermining ukrainian independence and elected government by an illegal war and invasion like you do to try and excuse putin and his chivilian/child killing tactics


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Germany will send 1,000 anti-tank weapons and 500 stinger missiles to Ukraine, the German chancellor said on Saturday.

Olaf Scholz said the Russian invasion marked a “turning point”, and added: “It is our duty to do our best to help Ukraine defend against the invading army of Putin.”

Iraq war was also illegal

guinnessdear/guiseppi's aim on here is deflect with whataboutery   trying to water down and obfuscate about the brave resistance of the ukraine to a fascist dictator  - people who support the child killing like this character  should be removed from the forum