AFGHANISTAN

Im sorry but for me Ghani was a coward
He said he did one to save bloodshed
Well what about all the bloodshed of civilians that were acceptable when it wasnt his

BTW saying religion wasnt a problem....
How many scientists kill each other because they took exception with a paper they wrote?

like Copernicus?

Darwin?

No pressure on them!

If only we cared about our own country as much as we do this one.

they are coming here

Just had a harrowing phone call with Afghan translator in Kabul.  Described Taliban going door to door calling people out of their homes and executing them in the street

people aren't killing each other in Afghanistan over religion

Except those who interpret sharia law differently to those who dont abide by it.
Remember, this theocracy has been a coupe, they are not a legitimate government.

We should invade

The “ what was it all for” question will be even more difficult for the politicians if in a few years Afghanistan, under Taliban rule, isn’t the disaster the media seem to be hoping for.

From my favourite paper the Guardian - hysterical stuff.  Less than one hundred of 700 women journalists now working.  In an unrelated story others are throwing their jeans away!!!
Don't they realise they are much safer following Tally advice by staying at home.  Less likely to have their heads blown off by a rocket from the sky?

could be a Taliban-controlled Afghan government becomes a key ally of the US - the new Saudi Arabia if you like. And that might have been the sub-text to Trump's agreement which Biden saw through.

Personally I think the Taliban are missing a trick here, my first move would be to sell tickets to the west at say £20k a pop.

Given the “get them all out” cry from the media our Government would be forced to fund the tickets, that along with the outrage from the locals when the figure reaches 500 thousand arrivals would see the politicians pleading with the Taliban to stop, along with an offer/bribe of £Billions in aid of course.

skyscanner shows scheduled flights from Dubai and Qatar to Kabul - it's tempting but is Afghanistan on the COVID red list?

Sep 2, 2021 -- 9:13AM, A_T wrote:

skyscanner shows scheduled flights from Dubai and Qatar to Kabul - it's tempting but is Afghanistan on the COVID red list?

I'll buy you a one way ticket

Lock up your children, the streets will NEVER  be safe again

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/312906

American authorities are advertising for Afghan interpreters... so that they can communicate with the tens of thousands of Afghan interpreters that have been evacuated from Afghanistan to the US..

Most of them have been taken to "swing states"... along with the new arrivals from the southern border

Most of them have been taken to "swing states".

good idea

Sep 2, 2021 -- 11:04AM, A_T wrote:

Most of them have been taken to "swing states".good idea

Donald will send them all back, along with the all the diseased criminals from south of the border

It has to be shocking value, for each interpreter used a council over here needs to find a council house that fits around 8?
I don’t know the exact size of these extended families on average, but I haven’t yet seen an example of just man and wife.
Robert Generic said they were giving 5 million pounds to help…pmsl
The party that have sold off and stifled new builds for decades thinks councils getting a share of 5 million will sort it?
There will be further need for more mosques too.

Don't forget we need interpreters to communicate with all these "interpreters" who can't speak or understand English

Figure that one out

How did the Taliban win a war without Trident

Our housing minister ( Jenrick ) seems to have been taken by surprise over the current housing situation “proving difficult to find suitable housing”

Tell it to those 10s of Thousands on council waiting list who you and your predecessors have been happily ignoring for years  Jenick.

no women in new Afghan government

Haqqani is interior minister

US has a 5 million reward for his arrest

The Trump administration released his brother from Bagram. Was a key element in the negotiations with the Taliban.

does his brother have a 5 million dollar reward too?

They must have hit all the sheep over the head with something, or drugged them with something

We're being told a bunch of "terrorist cavemen" are setting up a government and they've got "interior ministers" ffs

Its passed comedy at this point

Sep 7, 2021 -- 10:06PM, Giuseppe wrote:

no women in new Afghan government

I was wondering why you guys had almost forgotten Afghanistan on the forum. And I thought, BCC and co must have stopped feeding you guys on the issue(usually this forum just follows the mainstream media).

The first post after 5 days talks about no women in afghan government.

Just out of curiosity, did you think it yourself, or did the BBC tell you? Because it sounds exactly like something BBC would be disappointed about.

does his brother have a 5 million dollar reward too?


no idea. but the reward was in place when Trump was negotiating with the Taliban (of which Haqqani was a deputy-leader) - didn't seem to bother Trump

detraveller is correct, I know what they've said on the BBC by reading the quotes on here. Spoon fed nonsense mostly but it must be true, its on the tv news.

A_T

Trump didn't hand Afghanistan over to the Taliban

he signed a deal which was supposed to lead to peace talks with the government

it was Biden who allowed the Taliban, including the Haqqani network, to take over

every faction in Afghanistan - even Hamid Karzai - recognised the Taliban needed to be part of the political process to achieve national unity

your posts have no logical consistency other than Biden is always right, Trump is always wrong

was the Doha deal a good agreement or not?

if it was a bad deal, why didn't Biden break it?

it was Biden who allowed the Taliban, including the Haqqani network, to take over

but Trump was negotiating with the taliban when their deputy leader had a $5million reward on his head. Why didn't Trump insist he be handed over as part of the deal?

you didn't answer my question

he signed a deal which was supposed to lead to peace talks with the government


the deal placed no such conditions on the Taliban - only that they do not kill Americans

where did I say Trump's deal was a bad deal?

because the taliban probably would have refused

so it was a good deal?

what I thinkof the deal is not the issue. but if you think the recent outcome for Afghanistan is a bad one then Trump and Biden both have to be blamed

lol why won't you answer?

another question: do you think Biden's hands were tied, and he had no option but to withdraw?

it's not fair to criticise Trump

you don't know what he would have done and how he would have handled the situation over the last 8 months

Trump had nearly a year in office after the deal was signed - during which time his own commanders said the Taliban were breaking the deal - but he did nothing except continue to evacuate troops from Afghanistan

nothing was happening during that period

the taliban captured no cities

there was no threat of a taliban takeover

the Taliban resumed attacking government forces one week after the deal was signed - Trump just continued to pull out the troops

because the taliban weren't making any progress

"the Taliban resumed attacking government forces"

they'd be doing that for 20 years

the taliban were never going to win as long as there were some US forces and airpower involved

the taliban were never going to win as long as there were some US forces and airpower involved


that would mean the US staying in Afghanistan which was prohibited by Trump's deal. If you believe that was a desirable outcome then you have to think Trump's deal was a bad one.

but you just said the taliban were breaking the deal

other high ranking officials have said the same

so a pretext could have been found to keep the troops

or he could simply have broken the deal

there were options on the tabel

Biden chose not to use them

but you just said the taliban were breaking the deal


no I didn't. I said Trump's commanders were saying that. so if this was the belief why couldn't a "pretext could have been found to keep the troops"? Trump just kept pulling them out.

he didn't need a pretext

there were still troops there, enough to keep the taliban at bay

the deadline wasn't until the middle of the following year

there is no comparison between the situation in late 2020 and the situation this summer

TRump did not reduce troop numbers to zero and withdrawing air support, exposing the Afghan army

Biden did that

TRump did not reduce troop numbers to zero and withdrawing air support, exposing the Afghan army


that was the deal Trump made - to do just that. If his commanders were saying in 2020 that the Taliban were breaking the deal why did he continue to pull the troops out?

Joe Bidei ,what a guy .

because it made no difference to the srategic situation and because the taliban still had almost a year to reach a deal with the afghan government

it wasn't the time to scrap the deal

may 2021 was

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Spotted14:02 Denmark is paying the UK to take their Afghan refugees
An undisclosed sum was paid to Britain to accept 23 interpreters


Denmark has paid the UK an undisclosed sum to accept 23 Afghan refugees who worked as interpreters for the Danish state for eight years.

According to a report by Swedish broadsheet Svenska Dagbladet, the interpreters were granted a residence permit in the UK after twelve of them had their visa applications to Denmark rejected and eleven wanted to travel to the UK themselves.

Even though the interpreters were technically employed by the British military, they worked for the Danes, wearing Danish uniform and received a Danish salary.

The amount — paid for in secret by the Danish state — has been calculated according to what it would cost the British to evacuate the interpreters, integrate them into society and pay social costs for five years. The payment has been confirmed by the Danish Ministry of Defence to SvD.

“I have never before, neither during my time in the UN or the EU or as a lawyer in Denmark, seen anything like this.” Poul Hauch Fenger, asylum law expert who previously worked for the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, told the newspaper.

When it comes to immigration, Denmark has adopted a notably restrictionist approach since the centre-Left Social Democrat party swept to power on a pledge to reduce the number of immigrants entering the country in 2019. Arguing that it was needed to protect Denmark’s generous welfare system, it promised to focus on integrating migrants and refugees already in the country.

Over the last two years, the government has taken an increasingly hardline stance, with the passage of a controversial new law enabling Denmark to deport asylum seekers outside Europe while applications are being processed. This move was part of the government’s pledge to limit ‘non-western’ immigrants — a category codified in Danish law — in disadvantaged neighbourhoods so as to protect the Danish way of life. Earlier this year, the state revoked the residency permits of some Syrian refugees on the grounds it was now apparently safe to return to Damascus.

This goes some way to explaining the highly selective process by which Afghans have entered the country. So far only five interpreters who worked with the Danish military have been granted asylum in Denmark, out of 139 who had applied.

But it also raises a number of questions about the UK’s own immigration procedures. Why is the UK accepting eleven interpreters whose visas were rejected by Denmark? How much was the UK paid and on what basis? Given that the country is already taking in 20,000 refugees, why is it accepting more from other countries too?

The Home Office has been contacted for comment.

I suppose selling our country is a little better than giving it away, but they'll never stop letting em in.

Denmark wanted to establish an “offshore Hub” for its illegal immigrants, looks like it’s found just the place.

Good that the Danes are not ashamed to say enough is enough and voted people in to do something about it.

Looks like you and your ilk are M.I.A saddo just like the Afghan Army

Why are you not on the beaches and the landing strips?

Never surrender?

Weak!

voted people in to do something about it

We thought we had.

Imagine the Danes shock at a Government delivering on a campaign pledge, not something we are likely to experience here.

I'm fortunate WD, I've only to move 15 miles from a Mosque and I'm in another England, many can't afford to do that. I rather suspect that most people who support unfettered immigration live 15 miles or more from a Mosque.

It not very patriotic are you saddo, what if it were the Germans? Would you have fled to another country?

Why won’t you defend your country against the invasion?

Weak

Indeed it's a bit humiliating to have to flee within my own country in peacetime, at least I can.

It seems you have much in common with these Afghans arriving on our beaches

20th anniversary of 9/11 tomorrow

awkward

Joe thought it was November

How about you case, how come you are not fighting ‘em on the beaches and the landing strips?

Why aren’t you fighting for your country?

I take the Progressive attitude WD all are welcome ,as long as not to where I live ,Works for them

Good answer!

Did anyone miss ITV Tuesday?  9/11: Life under attack.

https://www.itv.com/hub/9-11-life-under-attack/10a1567a0001

Compelling accounts that made me revise my opinion about the campaign in Afghanistan that followed: George Bush is not on my side of politics but I am glad he ironed out Al Quaida there.
Twenty years ago, sitting in my ivory tower, the continual persecution of Palestinians and the audacity of the attack excited me. The graphic footage shown here made me ashamed of that attitude. The bravery of the firefighters was humbling and, beyond that, the human toll of the barbarous attack is heartbreaking. Spare a moment for them tomorrow.

I just heard over 500,000 civilians have died in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan since 9/11

We harp on about terrorism in the West and we do not realise we and our leaders are the biggest terrorists!

Something like 635 Brits and over 7,0000 American troops have died since 9/11 and we have given the country back to The Taliban

WTFF!

Less than 3,000 people died on 9/11

In single months in Syria and Iraq over 3,000 people died quite regularly.

Let’s not spend a moment of thought on them tomorrow

Over 60,000 Afghan soldiers died fighting The Taliban to make us safe

Feck them too! Many on here have called them cowards!

Let’s not spend a moment of thought on them tomorrow Whisperingdeath on the victims of the twin towers atrocity.

Really?

explain to me why Syria is the west's fault?

Its not neither was libya , bar the west being stupid enough to bomb the Colonels army

Afghanistan: Girls excluded as Afghan secondary schools reopen

Female teachers Barred as well .

sounds like a plan

Plenty of work for the Stoning Crews and Rape gangs Going forward .

Imran over the Border appears to think that the Afghan women are strong and will win their rights within two years ,he has also failed to condemn the Taliban Ideology .

Mind you with 3 million afghans coming over the border he has enough problems of his own ..

Rapists and Stone throwers now part of the UN  ,Progressives delighted to welcome the Taliban into the fold

You couldn't even "bomb [cave-dwellers] back to the stone age".

Just think about that for a while.

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Think about that for a while

Yes to be fair the sandal wearers drove us out of their own country!

But we have AUKUS! We will stand up to Chinaaaa!

A suicide bomb attack on a mosque in the Afghan city of Kunduz has killed at least 50 people, officials say, in the deadliest assault since US forces left.

Afghan children battle malnutrition and measles as 23m face extreme hunger -

Did you check out the one from Austria who committed a horrific crime on a girl but managed to get here and was looked after  ho ho

Not seen it MO , 23 million starving in Afghan by the Looks of things , The world more worried about Climate Change

Too much aggro trying to intervene , and no brimming tills ..

You can't help Muslims at war with other Muslims case, some things are beyond solving.

They send their terrorists here on rubber dinghies to stab us or drive cars into us. We send planes full of people to murder them with bombs and missives. I mean when was the last time any whole family got wiped out by a laser guided bomb in this country?

I think we are doing alright. I don’t go to many wedding either so am not bovvered if they retaliate in the same way!