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Report frog1000 September 15, 2021 10:37 PM BST

Sep 15, 2021 -- 4:08PM, Johnny The Guesser wrote:


I didn't care Frog - I had better things to do -

Report frog1000 September 15, 2021 10:38 PM BST
So I remember correctly.

You supported the decision by the greedy Betfair management team back then looking for short term gains (who have cashed in and left since?) and you support the CMOs over the JVCI scientists now?
Report Johnny The Guesser September 15, 2021 10:43 PM BST
I defended the right of a business to determine its pricing structure - the customers can then decide whether they buy the service at that price. That's how business works.
Report frog1000 September 15, 2021 10:44 PM BST
'Prof Adam Finn, a member of JCVI at the University of Bristol, said: “I stand by the JCVI advice, which is not to go ahead at this time with vaccinating healthy 12 to 15-year-olds on health outcome risk-benefit grounds given the current uncertainty – as there is a small but plausible risk that rare harms could turn out to outweigh modest benefits.”'

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/10/boys-more-at-risk-from-pfizer-jab-side-effect-than-covid-suggests-study
Report Johnny The Guesser September 15, 2021 10:46 PM BST
we've done this already...
Report SontaranStratagem September 15, 2021 10:47 PM BST
People have been warned if they do it they deserve it
Report frog1000 September 15, 2021 10:48 PM BST

Sep 15, 2021 -- 4:43PM, Johnny The Guesser wrote:


I defended the right of a business to determine its pricing structure - the customers can then decide whether they buy the service at that price. That's how business works.


Of course the owners had the right to charge what they wanted.

But the reality is the moment they imposed the charge liquidity went off the cliff.

The concept of the betting exchange died.

I have not been around the last few years. Recently came back and am shocked to see how much liquidity has disappeared.

In some football markets I find the money I get matched the only bet on the market.

Report Johnny The Guesser September 15, 2021 10:59 PM BST
It still works for me and probably thousand's of others with competition from other exchanges bringing my  commission down.
Report wolf3011 September 15, 2021 11:06 PM BST

Sep 15, 2021 -- 4:59PM, Johnny The Guesser wrote:


It still works for me and probably thousand's of others with competition from other exchanges bringing my

Report wolf3011 September 15, 2021 11:06 PM BST
It still works for you because you aren't successful enough to be on the premium charge, a classic lefty mindset against meritocracy
Report frog1000 September 15, 2021 11:10 PM BST

Sep 15, 2021 -- 4:59PM, Johnny The Guesser wrote:


It still works for me and probably thousand's of others with competition from other exchanges bringing my

Report frog1000 September 15, 2021 11:10 PM BST
Yes the exchange still 'works'.

And yes, like the CMOs, the Betfair owners at the time had every right to charge what they liked.

But it is does not mean that it was not a predictably wrong policy for the exchange that stopped the growth of betting exchanges stone dead and handed the industry back to the softbooks (of which Betfair sportsbook is one).

It is fair enough that you think it was their right to charge what they liked. But to stand by the belief that it was a good idea for betting exchanges is strange IMO given what has happened in the last decade.
Report Johnny The Guesser September 15, 2021 11:12 PM BST
Why would I have taken a pay cut to ponce about on here all day ?
Report Johnny The Guesser September 15, 2021 11:17 PM BST
Whether it is or was a good idea or not doesn't matter to me - I didn't care - It made no difference to me. It is strange to me , to think that you believe I should.
Report frog1000 September 15, 2021 11:20 PM BST
Sorry may have got it wrong.

I saw you being argumentative on this thread with everyone and thought you were the same bloke defending the Premium Charge all those years ago.

I may well have got it wrong and it was someone else with a similar forum name.

Apologies if that is the case.
Report Johnny The Guesser September 15, 2021 11:24 PM BST
No - it was me.
Report Johnny The Guesser September 15, 2021 11:28 PM BST
The outrage of the "loyal full timers who had supported Betfair  for years" being charged more didn't get any sympathy from me.

Nobody needed them - they did nothing for anybody but themselves.
Report frog1000 September 15, 2021 11:53 PM BST
Do you think it is possible for someone to have a view on something that is not linked to their own immediate self-interest?

E.g. oppose the concept of vaccine passports for night clubs even though they are doubled vaccinated themselves and have no financal interests (or any interest) in nightclubs?

E.g. oppose the concept of a new charge when they would not have to pay it but think it is it a bad idea for the growth of free betting markets?

E.g. be opposed to the concept of using national resources to inject 12 year olds with a vaccine when the independent body of scientists that looked at it said the short term benefits are marginal and we dont know the long term effects so lets wait when (a) they are not a child (b) they do not have a child between the ages of 12 and 15? (c) They are double jabbed themselves.
Report Johnny The Guesser September 16, 2021 7:33 AM BST
Yes 100%.
I spout my opinion , but it doesn't mean I am right.
Too many on here think something is black or white , right or wrong,  they refuse to even acknowledge that maybe there is some middle ground to explore.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 16, 2021 4:28 PM BST
UK #DailyCovidUpdate | 16th September 2021

- Cases: 7,339,009 (+26,911)
- Average Cases: 30,186.14

- Deaths (28-day): 134,805 (+158)
- Deaths (60-day): 154,010 (+175)
- Average Deaths: 137.71

- Vaccine [1st dose]: 48,503,181 (+23,003)
- Vaccine [2nd dose]: 44,229,777 (+59,404)
Report Giuseppe September 16, 2021 4:37 PM BST
what was today's number of deaths in Scootland?
Report SontaranStratagem September 16, 2021 7:58 PM BST
I will just leave this here

'Of the 256 breakthrough deaths, only 59 were listed as 'Not clinically extremely vulnerable'

^^^ When we posted a similar stat (The stat for not vulnerable was actually lower than that 59 Crazy) we were ignored and called a conspiracy theorist

This fall the same people ignoring us when we gave similar stats out are now using that type of stat to push the sleever/jab CrazyCrazyCrazy

You simply have to accept these people are gone and there's no waking them up Plain
Report SontaranStratagem September 16, 2021 10:25 PM BST
Italy now requiring workers to show "covid pass".... We did warn you

There's no come back other than them going along with it for financial gain now
Report Johnny The Guesser September 16, 2021 10:55 PM BST
No warning required thanks - I'm not looking to work in Italy.
Report thegiggilo September 17, 2021 4:46 PM BST
The only thing Johnsons ever promised on and git right pile them high 201 deaths..HELP Last night,best thing i've seen in years,that's how it was and is caused by this filth..
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 17, 2021 5:18 PM BST
UK #DailyCovidUpdate | 17th September 2021

- Cases: 7,371,301 (+32,651)
- Average Cases: 29,476.00

- Deaths (28-day): 134,983 (+178)
- Deaths (60-day): 154,211 (+201)
- Average Deaths: 142.14

- Vaccine [1st dose]: 48,528,901 (+23,833)
- Vaccine [2nd dose]: 44,298,076 (+63,999)
Report brentford September 17, 2021 5:22 PM BST
surely at some point all these deaths should reduce the burden on social care...not intending to be flippant but we're clearing spaces quite quickly..
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 17, 2021 5:26 PM BST
Not many going into social care either
what with the cull at start of
pandemic.


The number of care home jobs remained broadly the same over the same period despite decreases in occupancy rates from 86% pre-COVID to 77% in March 2021.
The number of jobs in care homes for older people also remained similar in 2020/21, however between March 2021 and June 2021 there is evidence that the number of jobs in this part of the sector has started to decrease.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 17, 2021 5:35 PM BST
#DailyCovidUpdate | Age Distribution of English Cases [17-09-21]

n=22,284

0-9: 14.15% (3154)
10-19: 28.80% (6417)
20-29: 9.62% (2143)
30-39: 12.36% (2755)
40-49: 14.24% (3174)
50-59: 10.54% (2348)
60-69: 5.32% (1185)
70-79: 3.37% (750)
80-89: 1.32% (294)
90+: 0.29% (64)
Report brentford September 17, 2021 5:41 PM BST
yhtl - have you seen any figures estimating the number of people that have now been infected by the delta variant ? (I only ask as you are very good on this type of stuff)

must be starting to see some benefit from increased population exposure now surely ?
Report brentford September 17, 2021 5:58 PM BST
google quotes 'cases' @ 7.3m (UK) but presumably includes original variant numbers ?

which doesn't offer as much protection as exposure to current dominant variant - so maybe half that but then how much does one reasonably multiply for infections in people that haven't been tested during their 'positive' state...you'd think asymptomatic and untested numbers must be more than double if not treble surely ? maybe even more so something like 1 in 5 or 6 maybe ? with actual virus exposure (as opposed to vacc alone or zero exposure to vacc or infection) )...
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 17, 2021 6:03 PM BST
I havnt Brentford, but they were
well over 90% since last xmas
iirc.

Get Dec 2020 figure, subtract
today's fig, multiply by 1.8
and that should give you ball park
figure.

( 0.9 for delta, and 2.0
as they reckon true infections are double)

If you are on twitter you could
ask Lawrence Gilder

@LawrenceGilder

He's good at collating and reporting
figures.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 17, 2021 6:04 PM BST
Or better still subtract
Dec 2020 figure from today's figure
to start with. CrazyCrazy

Getting ready to go to footy
at SJP.
Report brentford September 17, 2021 6:06 PM BST
enjoy mate and cheers..
Report wolf3011 September 17, 2021 7:26 PM BST
pele readmitted to hospital due to colon cancer, pretty much everyone on here will be dead in 50 years ( likely much less) yet 3% of that maximum estimated amount of time left has already been spent by many sh1tting themselves over the scary covid.
Report brentford September 17, 2021 7:30 PM BST
I think you and others over estimate how many people spend their time S****** themselves over 'scary Covid ' Wolf..
Report wolf3011 September 17, 2021 7:32 PM BST

Sep 17, 2021 -- 1:30PM, brentford wrote:


I think you and others over estimate how many people spend their time S****** themselves over 'scary Covid ' Wolf..


really? jabbed continually wearing masks ever day? sounds pretty scared to me. The OP updates this thread daily yet not a mention of cancer/ heart disease deaths

Report brentford September 17, 2021 7:36 PM BST
well I've been jabbed twice, unlikely to be again this year and only wear a mask as required to..

yhtl (I can't speak for ) but the updates are interesting and clearly spark debate on both sides..

no mention of cancer/heart disease ...well it appears to be a covid thread so maybe start one or keep one updated...would probably do a better job of arguing the 'counter view' in many ways..
Report wolf3011 September 17, 2021 7:40 PM BST
Do you think the obsession with covid is proportional to the other diseases/conditions out there Brentford or are you going to fall back on the old we must protect the NHS argument? I suspect if everyone had a crystal ball showing the next 50 years of health ( or less) they have ahead, the covid risk would soon be thrown into the bin of relatively inconsequential horrors that lie in wait and a proper grip of proportional concern would ensue
Report Cider September 17, 2021 7:43 PM BST
there are so many strands to the story. there are too many people with skin in the game, who don't want the narrative to move on. I'd agree with wolf in the sense that it is still having a direct influence on most peoples' lives. yes millions of people still think they might die if they pass somebody too closely on the street. we're going to hit the proper lockdown fallout soon, with everyone who was pushing for it finding themselves with selective memory.
Report lapsy pa September 17, 2021 7:43 PM BST
I watched 'help' last night too, despite saying i'll swerve,great actress and no doubt it was fairly factual.Good drama.
Enjoy the football yhtl,Patrick Bamford @ 7/1 to have a shot on target each half with paddies(max 20) my up against you interest.
There are some very paranoid Wolf,most get on with what they have to do without inviting risk ie pub etc,fair enough imo.
Enjoy your evenings.
Report brentford September 17, 2021 7:46 PM BST
I think there are very real issues of it being over valued/stated (covid) though in part that's the result of the vaccination scheme being of significant success...

I don't really pedal any protect the nhs argument though I observe that if hospitals were to have got to or end up being overwhelmed by admissions it would be a pretty desperate look for a developed country to leave people dying in car parks, ambulances (preventing heart attack attendance for example) or at home with no palliative care.
Report Cider September 17, 2021 7:50 PM BST
this is a deliberately cultivated scenario though, brentford. The NHS wouldn't benefit if it was good. It is deliberately run at tipping point so they can rinse more cash from the taxpayer.
Report wolf3011 September 17, 2021 7:54 PM BST
I don't accept the vaccination scheme has either been a significant success or people will die in car parks- what happened to the florence nightingales?
Report brentford September 17, 2021 7:54 PM BST
Well it certainly needs significant reform - not just more cash, totally agree with that but you make it sound as a single cohesive unit of the same mind...it isn't, just as not all doctors and nurses are the angels we're supposed to believe them to be...
Report Cider September 17, 2021 7:59 PM BST
Literally the worse it does, the more money it gets. It's perverse. But we know the politics of it, and the 'nation' is in love with the institution. Even though nearly every single person will have had a poor experience at some point. Of course there are multiple good people who work there, which is separate to how the organisation is run, knowing how to leverage what it wants, and play the politicians. As soon as 'Saj' took over they told him they were heading for a 13 million waiting list.
Report mafeking September 17, 2021 8:40 PM BST
surely the beginning of the end for boris if there's any kind of perceived lockdown this winter and he must know that. they've had 18 months to get their house in order so simply no excuse for further destruction of society and country not to mention can't afford to keep doling out free money to all and sundry
Report Mexico September 17, 2021 8:40 PM BST
Sheep3011

The FN overflow emergency hospitals were not required, they were closed .
Just as well really, wasn’t there enough deaths in April/May 2020,

We now have a successful vaccine , hospital rates are far lower than in 2020.
Great news, well done to the scientists who allowed UK and Europe to open again. Bill Gates is spot on once again, vaccines save lives, the West should be sending more vaccines to the poorest parts of the planet.
Report truehoncho September 17, 2021 8:42 PM BST
We now have a successful vaccine --  that's what Israel thought.
Report wolf3011 September 17, 2021 8:57 PM BST

Sep 17, 2021 -- 2:40PM, Mexico wrote:


Sheep3011The FN overflow emergency hospitals were not required, they were closed . Just as well really, wasn’t there enough deaths in April/May 2020, We now have a successful vaccine , hospital rates are far lower than in 2020.Great news, well done to the scientists who allowed UK and Europe to open again. Bill Gates is spot on once again, vaccines save lives, the West should be sending more vaccines to the poorest parts of the planet.


more rubbish from the forum plum, what's successful about a vaccine that can't stop someone getting covid, passing it on and with an immunity length less than the tiny stump you present to your wife nightly? Deaths are higher now than they were this time last year

Report wolf3011 September 17, 2021 8:59 PM BST
Incidentally the florence nightingales were closed before the vaccine was given to the masses, why would that happen if covid was so deadly putting such a strain on the NHS
Report Mexico September 17, 2021 9:02 PM BST
Sheep

If you didn’t drop out of school then you would have a better understanding of risk, probability and percentages.

Something which reduces the risk of hospital admissions by 90% is successful.

Tin foil hats don’t reduce the risk of going to hospital- they are not successful.


Sorry you don’t understand simple Mathematics and statistics. It is an interesting subject. Try it sometime,

The economy is open because of the successful vaccine. Well done to the 90% who chose to help themselves and the UK economy.
Report wolf3011 September 17, 2021 9:06 PM BST
Drop out of school ? Quite funny coming from an illiterate dribbling imbecile that repeats himself daily with same phrases that clearly has special needs. Do you really think you win any argument drooling about tin hats nightly instead of just confirming you're mentally disabled lol. Why weren't the florence nightingale hospitals full to the brim of patients if covid was so deadly pre vaccine and why do we have more deaths today than we had this time last year.. what sort of successful vaccine has people needing jabs every few months for boosters not stopping transmission?
Report brentford September 17, 2021 9:09 PM BST
Presumably the overspill facilities weren't required because of lockdown which virtually quashed the numbers as projected and similarly did so in dec/jan  I'm sure none of us of sound mind want more lockdowns...
Report wolf3011 September 17, 2021 9:09 PM BST
Let's see what the hospital admission rates are mid winter with covid/ flu instead of late summer. As for the 90%, what will happen when immunity drops and they don't get boosters? You're utterly braindead- keep drooling over tin hats
Report wolf3011 September 17, 2021 9:10 PM BST
directed to mexico ^
Report wolf3011 September 17, 2021 9:11 PM BST

Sep 17, 2021 -- 3:09PM, brentford wrote:


Presumably the overspill facilities weren't required because of lockdown which virtually quashed the numbers as projected and similarly did so in dec/jan

Report wolf3011 September 17, 2021 9:12 PM BST
Are these the projected numbers from professor ferguson who resigned for getting his predictions so badly wrong it looked like it had been predicted by a rabies infected ostrich?
Report brentford September 17, 2021 9:16 PM BST
Ferguson like many scientists is more impressed by his own ego than anything else in the world but predicting figures on something that has no real world data previous must be the ultimate guess work in many ways, not because modelling can't offer something but because societal behaviour alone is very unpredictable let alone the virus...

didn't he resign for breaching covid restrictions btw or is that just another narrative from the oppressors ?
Report Mexico September 17, 2021 9:17 PM BST
Exactly Brentford

Very easy to understand why FN hospitals were not required.

Unfortunately the tin foil hat flatearther sheep don’t understand.

The 90% of the country who chose to have a vaccine don’t want more lockdowns.
The country is open because of the successful vaccine program, well done to the 90%,
Report wolf3011 September 17, 2021 9:23 PM BST

Sep 17, 2021 -- 3:16PM, brentford wrote:


Ferguson like many scientists is more impressed by his own ego than anything else in the world but predicting figures on something that has no real world data previous must be the ultimate guess work in many ways, not because modelling can't offer something but because societal behaviour alone is very unpredictable let alone the virus...didn't he resign for breaching covid restrictions btw or is that just another narrative from the oppressors ?


You mentioned the " lockdowns reduced numbers as predicted" yet they still built the hospitals anyway going against their own predictions. Can you post data which shows lockdowns reduce the number of deaths long term as many countries with no lockdowns have much fewer deaths. We are now told the NHs is near breaking point yet again ( whats new) and most of the florence nightingales have been knocked down which were built incase that happened- great stuff.  As a single prediction has yet to materialise with continual reversals on strategies and policies from doctors/ politicians and supposed experts clearly guessing as they go along, what relevance this has to the vaccine being a success with talks of potential future lockdowns on the horizon and the promised land of post vaccine life I've no idea

Report Mexico September 17, 2021 9:29 PM BST
Sheep3011

Finally you post something which everybody else on the forum knows.., “ I've no idea“

Perhaps a basic understanding of maths and statistics would help you understand.


UK is open thanks to the 90% who have chosen to have the successful vaccine. That is good news isn’t it? Or do you want lockdowns?
Report brentford September 17, 2021 9:31 PM BST
I think elements of that post are very reasonable debate Wolf but clearly no one knew with any certainty how many of these elements play out...

Presumably you wouldn't have wanted medical staff and expensive kit wasted in emergency facilities indefinitely ?

Plenty of predictions have come true how ever inconvenient they may be to you...lockdowns work as a short term answer, vaccines work to an extent and may well be improved upon in the future along with therapeutics..

The concept that any country/gov would have a perfect response to a generational event like this is unrealistic to put it mildly..
Report wolf3011 September 17, 2021 9:37 PM BST
I wouldn't start pontificating about your alleged education levels Mexico when you clearly have the reading age of a child with a vocabulary to match. It's the same small handbook of recited phrases just repeated continually as you're out of your depth on most threads revolving around on a small carousel of regurgitated diarrhoea spraying out like a dirty fountain saturating all readers in spam - is English actually your first language? I'd laugh if it was- please tell me it isn't and it's spanish.
Report wolf3011 September 17, 2021 9:46 PM BST

Sep 17, 2021 -- 3:31PM, brentford wrote:


I think elements of that post are very reasonable debate Wolf but clearly no one knew with any certainty how many of these elements play out...Presumably you wouldn't have wanted medical staff and expensive kit wasted in emergency facilities indefinitely ?Plenty of predictions have come true how ever inconvenient they may be to you...lockdowns work as a short term answer, vaccines work to an extent and may well be improved upon in the future along with therapeutics..The concept that any country/gov would have a perfect response to a generational event like this is unrealistic to put it mildly..


No one really knows how well vaccines work- the winter will be the test and everyone is speculating including the supposed experts. I don't think any vaccine which needs to be continually given as boosters which causes potentially serious side effects not stopping transmission is a success. If it indeed is shown to significantly reduce deaths then fair enough, keep it for those at serious risk of covid with boosters indefinitely presumably which is what most of us including me advocated in the first place. I don't have an issue with this demographic of the population getting the jabs if they choose to, I have a problem with what we have now where the entire population is being coerced into taking a vaccine where the main effect is supposedly reducing the severity of covid for those at no real risk of it anyway. The vaccination of young people which is primarily based on societal reasons instead of health ones is something many have an issue with.

There is also a difference between " wasting medical staff and kit " at florence nightingales and demolishing them. As for lockdowns, there is no evidence they do anything other than increase the number of deaths from non covid related illnesses where people are unable to access basic healthcare along with financial ruin for hundreds of thousands.

Report Mexico September 17, 2021 9:56 PM BST
Sheep

I doubt I’ve  ever claimed my degree was in an Arts based subject rather than science/ Maths based. Perhaps if you could understand English you would understand that.

So at what age were you when you decided that formal education wasn’t for you and that you would learn more from you tube and David Icke?

It is obvious that the vaccines are a success, the country is open because of the 90% who chose to have a vaccine. Those 90% don’t want another lockdown.
Report wolf3011 September 17, 2021 10:06 PM BST
Another post from a clearly disabled non English speaking cabbage talking about David Icke which must have been posted at least 500 times in the last 18 months. Surely even someone with the intellectual capacity of a lobotomised locust must grow weary of the same tired lines day after day spamming the place relentlessly. Not a single person on this forum believes in David Ickes beliefs so why do you keep talking about it- some kind of OCD mental disorder? 

You keep talking about education, you have no education which is why you embarrass yourself on every thread with the same tired sad lines.. if they were any lamer they would have a crutch, parrot and pirate hat next to them. Is English your first language Mexico, genuine question?
Report Mexico September 17, 2021 10:28 PM BST
Lol sheep

Of all the 20 posters on here you chose to criticise my English rather than some of your fellow tin foil hat flatearther Icke fans,

Keep on  ignoring the basic science, English and Maths. Many posters reply to your nonsense with sensible answers, yet you just start to cry and start to abuse them. Very sad.

Go on Sheep , Just blindly follow the loon tube “information”.
Report wolf3011 September 17, 2021 10:34 PM BST
That's a no then
Report nineteen points September 17, 2021 11:26 PM BST
Mex,

i am getting a bit worried my long covid claim might get knocked back even after you said it was a genuine thing and millions got it.Can you reassure me i will be ok and still get my benifits?

Also,regarding my invalidity car,i feel really uncomfortable driving around in my petrol car.Am i killing folk? I need to get my electric car asap so i can sleep soundly at night knowing i am not killing anybody..the longer i go on having to drive my petrol car,the more suicidal i feel.I do not want to kill folk because i drive a petrol car.I really am looking forward to getting my free 30k electric car knowing full well how many lives i am saving.

onwards and upwards eh?
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 17, 2021 11:32 PM BST
Lots of shots, hope Bamford bet landed.

Exciting game first half, calmed
down second half.

Stats are interesting to see where
we are. How things are going, have gone.

Not what might have been, but obviously
that's another speculation.

Some folk can grasp it, some sadly can not.
Report Giuseppe September 17, 2021 11:34 PM BST
Mexico would be in the latter group
Report shiny new shoes please September 18, 2021 12:03 AM BST
You can't beat natural immunity Grin
Sleepy joe can't sell sh1t   Covid boosters rejected , Israel fuming ,interesting

The Boo Radleys - Wake Up Boo!
Report brentford September 18, 2021 12:06 AM BST
fair play to getting the Boo Radleys in shiny...though after their early ep's it was all downhill Sad
Report Giuseppe September 18, 2021 12:06 AM BST
Philly Boy back in action against die Roten Bullen
Report Giuseppe September 18, 2021 12:07 AM BST
wake up it's a beautiful morning
Report Giuseppe September 18, 2021 12:25 AM BST
WHATCHA DOING

PHILLY BOY
Report Giuseppe September 18, 2021 12:37 AM BST
LMAO philly boy
Report shiny new shoes please September 18, 2021 12:38 AM BST
0-2
Report shiny new shoes please September 18, 2021 12:46 AM BST
zeds dead, baby. zeds dead.ExcitedDevil
Report Giuseppe September 18, 2021 12:49 AM BST
this isn't a motorcycle it's a chopper
Report shiny new shoes please September 18, 2021 1:23 AM BST
It's unethical to start giving three doses to somebody when others countries and populations have never heard of covid..
Fauci ExcitedLaugh
Israel  ConfusedTongue Out


GG Allin & The Jabbers Dead or Alive
Report Giuseppe September 18, 2021 1:26 AM BST
won't somebody think of all those african countries with average age of 24 AngryAngryAngry
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 18, 2021 4:33 PM BST
UK #DailyCovidUpdate | 18th September 2021

- Cases: 7,400,739 (+30,144)
- Average Cases: 29,561.29

- Deaths (28-day): 135,147 (+164)
- Deaths (60-day): 154,412 (+201)
- Average Deaths: 143.29

- Vaccine [1st dose]: 48,548,506 (+19,605)
- Vaccine [2nd dose]: 44,357,108 (+59,032)
Report thegiggilo September 18, 2021 5:57 PM BST
Another 200 piled high,the deaths and cases are disgusting,have noticed parents are putting their masks on back at school it's rampant despite less testing..
Report brentford September 18, 2021 6:10 PM BST
just in relation to population exposure an article on the BBC website quoted a Cambridge University Model estimating 17 million people to have been infected at some point though that includes the original variant...
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 18, 2021 6:16 PM BST
17 million is ball park



There was a bit of chat at start
of outbreak that deaths would be
about 0.1% of infections and
likely that deaths would be more
accurate way to find infections
once its over.

Assumes of course that deaths are
to be accurately recorded.

Doubtful any of stats at finish
will be more accurate than best guess.
Report brentford September 18, 2021 6:35 PM BST
yep lot of guesswork for sure.
Report wolf3011 September 18, 2021 10:56 PM BST
Natural immunity 13 times better than vaccine immunity large study finds

"The team, from Maccabi Healthcare Services, looked at three groups — those double-jabbed with Pfizer who have never had Covid, unvaccinated people who have been infected, and single-jabbed people who have had the virus. They then monitored how many developed symptomatic infection, how many were hospitalised and how many died. Their findings were stark: double-jabbed, previously uninfected people are 13 times as likely to get Covid compared with the naturally immune. Natural infection was also found to significantly reduce the risk of catching symptomatic disease and of being hospitalised with Covid.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/natural-immunity-is-stronger-than-vaccination-study-suggests
.

Enjoy you boosters lads and let the rest of us enjoy 13 times better protection from mother nature
Report Giuseppe September 18, 2021 10:59 PM BST
so 13 times greater refer to protection against catching covid

what was the figure for hospitalisation and death?

also does it say when the people were vaccinated? we know pfizer fades with time
Report wolf3011 September 18, 2021 11:06 PM BST
Well even if it was the earliest takers of the vaccine it must be less than 12 months- not particularly impressive is it. Clearly if you 13 times less likely to catch covid with natural immunity, it is likely you are substantially less likely to die from it providing you survive the initial infection which virtually everyone does under 60 so why are they being vaccinated instead of developing natural immunity much less likely to pass it on. An individual 13 times less likely to recatch it is going to have less chance to transmit it
Report Giuseppe September 18, 2021 11:18 PM BST
i am not surprised that natural immunity is better, but the statistics for death and hospitalisation are more important

it would be like giving the number of shots on goal in a football match before giving the actual result
Report wolf3011 September 18, 2021 11:23 PM BST
The winter will probably be a good guide how the vaccine stands up to hospitalisations.. if we see another lockdown it will be admittance that it's unfit for purpose for that as well. We have been told so far that it reduces the chances of catching covid and passing it on which is clearly a load of b0llocks
Report wolf3011 September 18, 2021 11:25 PM BST
for those that have already had it anyway which will be virtually everyone at some point
Report Giuseppe September 18, 2021 11:26 PM BST
fatslogger thinks a third jab will be enough and a fourth won't be needed

so the info on fadng immunity in those with three jabs in israel will be key too
Report shiny new shoes please September 19, 2021 3:13 AM BST
You can't beat natural immunity EVER

Austin FC 3-4 San Jose Earthquakes cracker
Report Giuseppe September 19, 2021 3:20 AM BST
Cincinnati now 1 win in 15

great fans though
Report Giuseppe September 19, 2021 3:21 AM BST
horrific knee injury in Houston v Dallas
Report dave1357 September 19, 2021 3:09 PM BST
Have a look at russia's daily deaths graph about 2/3 down this page.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/russia/

There is utterly no way these are genuine.  Almost exactly the same daily total for week after week after week.

So are they making up their daily total to cover up for murdering dissidents (notsureifserious.jpg) or to gradually add in the thousands that died early on and weren't counted?
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 19, 2021 5:02 PM BST
UK #DailyCovidUpdate | 19th September 2021

- Cases: 7,429,746 (+29,612)
- Average Cases: 29,624.00

- Deaths (28-day): 135,203 (+56)
- Deaths (60-day): 154,476 (+64)
- Average Deaths: 143.29

- Vaccine [1st dose]: 48,573,881 (+25,375)
- Vaccine [2nd dose]: 44,428,209 (+71,101)
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