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13 Jan 21
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At least new cases seem to be going in right direction
Stay safe
At least new cases seem to be going in right direction
Stay safe
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Let's hope they just get held accountable,manslaughter they are getting away with it because of the complicit MSM BBC,SKY the amount of propaganda and distraction utter filth..
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45,000 yesterday, 47 today, would have been nice if the trend was downward.
It occurred to me though that there may be some in Govt that see 50,000 a day cases and think that all those people are contributing to the herd immunity case and further to that point, if you've had the virus do you need the vaccine? |
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Huge number and the forecast is for worse.
Slight drop in Kent case numbers but they have been big since the end of Oct, Midlands and the North probably following SE and Londons path as typing. Anyone from up there listen to the stay indoors advice,the 1 in 15/30/50 are low odds in public settings. |
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47.5k today.
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Just heard a friends uncle sadly passed away yesterday aged 80. Had dementia. Tested positive for Covid last week in care home so goes down as a Covid death even though not the cause as had no symptoms.
We need to wait for the excess deaths figures before we can judge these numbers. |
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no you didn't lol. Who the fck "just hears" that a "friends uncle" has died. Why would your "friend" think you would be remotely interested?
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The excess deaths reported are now the only semi reliable covid deaths data. Though of course it takes time for the holiday effect to filter through the numbers.
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we'll be looking at 20k per week for January
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No Cider,the only thing that ever was any use was keeping cases as low as possible, otherwise health and economy fails.
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Just heard that a friends uncle had a chuckle at people making up stories
on betfair. He's pleased he isn't Swedish, and doesn't think herd immunity is a good idea. The great Ken Barrington was one of his favourite cricketers Remarkable I havnt heard from this friend in 50 years, and didn't even know he had an uncle who was inspecting wuhan soon. |
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20k per week for January
I Hope we will not reach those Figures ,we are not on 10 yet , Only hope is Vaccine ,Virus in Wildfire Mode ,with most people showing no effects Bringing it with them where ever they go ,Must be thousands in Lockdown spreading it to their Families  |
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Probably not even 5K, the true figures. 2831 the last report (no doubt under reported due to the holidays)
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Wales 156.8
Scotland 122.4 England 134.6 Deaths with COVID-19 on the death certificate (Rate per 100,000 population) |
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3 quotes from our friendly right wingers ,never to be forgotton
argh mr dan the man hanan COVID ISNT GOING TO KILL YOU IT REALLY ISNT,curtrently 100,000 forming an orderly queue outside his house. isabel oakeshot currently been ridden by rightwing head banger richard tyce 2 DEAD WHAT PANDEMIC SEPT 2020 julia hartley brewer no increase in excess deaths,no 2nd wave |
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What about the lockdown obsessives trying to prevent the schools reopening and restriction lifting in the spring/summer. Anyone can lift isolated quotes from any discussion that might not stood the test of time. The WHO are the lead in that regard.
The vast majority of people suspicious of the lockdowns feel the reaction, ie wholesale NPIs have been disproportionate to the risk, and will cause more damage than they prevent. There is definitely a new virus and it is definitely risky to the old/unfit/infirm. Is it so dangerous to be worthwhile destroying many millions of lives, to lock up the healthy and create problems that will last for living memory, no. |
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Gavan Williamson today lobbied for top priority of vaccination for school staff,why? because enough time has passed since the goverments excuse of the importance of childrens education was detrimental safety wise all the time for those teaching them.
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Cases rising in Liverpool, hope its not
due to sticking 2000 supporters at a football match into a small section rather than spaced out. Little mistakes just expand. Over 330,000 cases traced to one conference in Boston USA.. |
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The nostalgia of the FA cup............
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Just heard a friends uncle sadly passed away yesterday aged 80. Just heard that the 80,000 British dead never died at all. My uncle told me it was a left wing lie designed to discredit the Tories and boost NHS support. |
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Just heard its 100k that havnt died of covid
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I actually now have severe doubts that frog is insider trader - I can't imagine IT making such a laughable post.
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Betfair should get a market up, you would get good odds dave
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January will see the most deaths in a month since WW2
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January looking very bad for UK.
Boris decision to open up on 2nd December looking more foolish by the day. If 25,000 cases were far too many in November & resulted in a 4 week semi lockdown, then why wasn’t 25,000 cases far too many in December. If having schools open was so important then why open shops & pubs in December when there was a good probability this policy would result in schools being closed , cases rising, hospital admissions rising and deaths increasing. UK is now going to have these restrictions for weeks, what exactly dit UK gain from opening on 2nd December? |
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Why do you refer to the UK and then Boris decisions in the next sentence. Unbelievable that you have to correct people over and over on the basics. Health is devolved and those administrations are using their own strategies. Which have involved longer lockdowns and harsher restrictions than England.
Deaths with COVID-19 on the death certificate (Rate per 100,000 population) Wales 156.8 Scotland 122.4 England 134.6 |
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You don't have to correct anyone.
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If you want to help prevent false narratives and correct errors, then yes you do.
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Late lockdown in December by Johnson estimated to
have caused 10,000 extra deaths. Karl Friston has modelled the impact of the delay in lockdown between Dec 22 (when recommended by SAGE) and Jan 3 when the PM finally acted. Lots of uncertainties but he estimates an extra TEN thousand deaths by mid-February. |
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Drakeford has the worst record in the UK, yet generally gets a free pass from the media (and this forum). Answers on a postcard as to why that is.
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Cider
All the disgusting evidence of the Tories completely messing up PPE and paying millions of pounds to their mates to get dodgy and useless PPE from Turkey. The dreadful and dishonest test and race disaster involving Dido Harding. The shocking Handcock lies about a ring of security put around the care homes he chose to sacrifice. And you are trying to blame the devolved parliaments. How many dodgy PPE contracts to Tory cronies did Wales or Scotland arrange??? |
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For example thee is the disgrace of the Tory government handing out lucrative Covid-19 contracts to Conservative friends - equipment that has not been delivered.
Ministers have failed to explain how deals worth “more than £830m have been awarded to at least 12 different companies” for personal protective equipment (PPE) – which has “never materialised”. In the Commons, Labour also demanded answers over a contract handed – “without any public tender process” – to Public First, a company run by a former aide to Michael Gove and associate of Dominic Cummings. It was “owned by friends of the prime minister’s most senior adviser”, Helen Hayes, a Cabinet Office spokesperson said – and “justified as part of the coronavirus response but appears to relate to Brexit”. |
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Why would anyone try to defend the terrible shocking transfer of tax payers money into the pockets of Tory cronies?
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The thread is about deaths attributed to covid. Anyone who reads my posts is fully aware of my disquiet about gvnt contracts and hemorrhaging funds on the waste of resources test and trace.
However, blatant attempts to divert attention away from failing devolved gvnts and lay the blame at Westminster need to be called out. |
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Of course, it's thanks to Westminster that those devolved nations are way up in the vaccine charts, and the rest of the world in fact has a practical vaccine available.
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Even if Oxford is a dirty word up there!
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But the miserable Tory corruption over PPE caused deaths.
Look at this: The UK has spent more on PPE than any other European country, yet with 60k dead it has by far the highest death-toll, both overall and one of the highest per capita. In Europe, over 60 percent of PPE contracts were awarded to companies without bidding (untendered). But in the UK, the figure is over 70 percent. So, with PPE standards downgraded, to whom were the contracts awarded? Tory chums, mainly. Anthony Page, for example, quit his role managing business for the Tory peer Michelle Mone reportedly to set up a new company, based on the Isle of Man, called PPE Medpro. It was awarded £122m by the Tories without tender. By September, an estimated £364m-worth of public money had been handed to Tory-linked corporations, some of them new microbusinesses with no PPE procurement expertise, without bids or competition. These include: £1.3m to Clipper Logistics (owned by Tory donor Steve Parkin); £93.8m to the healthcare provider and Tory donor, Globus (Shetland); £148m to Meller Designs (a beauty product supplier owned by Tory donor, David Meller); and over £120m to P14 Medical (owned by Tory councillor, Steve Dechan). None of this shocking greed and evil corruption can be laid at the door of the devolved parliaments. Indeed it’s quite clear that everywhere not stuck with the evil Tories in charge in the whole world pretty much have done better and so would have Scotland and Wales if not stuck with hapless Handcock and Johnson the Old Etonian oaf. |