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EUSSR backs down.
EUSSR backs down.
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By the way, you have a filty mouth on you - if it was funny or witty you could let it pass. Just sounds juvenile, angry and boring. But I suppose we'll have to put up with it, allow some slack given your lack of vocabulary. Happy
Closer to the mark than you imagine, Wallflower; Burt still lives with his Mum & Dad. |
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akabula21 Oct 20 23:33Joined: 13 Mar 08 | Topic/replies: 40,160 | Blogger: akabula's blog
Little edy seems upset. Maybe his report button is broken? I don't think it's edy, he's not the type and he has far too much fun jousting with the good doctor. I suspect it's someone we don't see all that often now, thank goodness but who still has an active account. |
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The EU have played a blinder in this - they have given Johnson his PR win (badly needed with the Government in absolute turmoil.
Back to the table now for the real negotiating. Meanwhile - Italy draws €90bn of orders in stellar week for eurozone debt market. Country enjoys its second-lowest borrowing costs on record for a 30-year bond. Eurozone success story Italy - The success of the EU bonds makes lower-rated credits in Europe look a little bit safer |
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If I recall correctly Burt did call correctly the Brexit referendum and Trumps election win also
one of the few here who did . That goes a long way when you see his critics yes |
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The apparent stumbling blocks are access to fish - johnson says no access and state aid rules in the trade agreement. Trashing the remains of British manufacturing for some channel fish is absurd and wto will hear disputes on state aid (or would if trump wasn't strangling it) - so that also has no credibility.
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Tactical optics and substantive strategy. Johnson places great value on short term optics as reported by the Daily Express and the rest of the Brexit echo chamber media channels. The EU couldn't care less about the optics in the UK. It is focused on (very) long term goals and objectives. The optics will be forgotten very quickly.
What is secured in the FTA will last decades. |
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The U.K. can regain its fishing waters and also have a trade deal with the EU
It’s a decision for the EU to make of course ... |
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Johnson claims a great victory, often on a matter of process more than substance.
The EU lets them claim a great victory. Domestic supporters either pretend to believe or actually believe (it doesn't matter which) that their government has won a great victory. And the deal the EU wants to do is done. The EU has done this a lot, remember. They are the world's most successful negotiatiors, ever, having patiently constructed the largest and deepest network of international trade arrangements in history. You don't get to do that without picking up a few tricks along they way about how to bring home a negotiation successfully. |
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The apparent stumbling blocks are access to fish - johnson says no access and state aid rules in the trade agreement. Trashing the remains of British manufacturing for some channel fish is absurd
channel fish? Remoaners try to belittle everything apart from the star-spangled R-sole. British waters include large areas of the North Sea, which are still important fishing grounds. |
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The heavily armed EU fleet will just take all the fish before they go into British waters.
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Mexico has more trade agreements than any other country
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And more free trade agreements than any other country
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It’s a trading partner with more than 50 countries
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14 FTAs
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One good thing about Burt dredging up all these ancient threads is to see all the posts claiming the demise of the EU was imminent in 2016.
Makes me chortle. |
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Ireland faces economic oblivion : bank chief admits hard Brexit will DEVASTATE the country - governor of the Central Bank of Ireland warned
serves them right . |
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Express - no doubt
 . Dear, oh dear. Might stand corrected.Goal Celtic |
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I do notice when you don't reference - its usually that Express rag. Probably for the best.
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If fish are of little importance as some like to claim, why is the EU and especially France making such a fuss about it? They are our territorial waters and we have every right to take back control of fishing there.
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...... but, but, but
Its of bigger importance to EU than UK. UK waters were extended through EU treaty - will Johnson / Cummmins want to revoke that? EU would be entitled to, but haven't said they would.... yet. The vast majority of UK fish exported to EU, the industry will collapse without free access to EU market - they are only looking for a compromise here. Its us who have made a "big deal" out of it - "our water, our fish etc blah, blah, blah - but we want free access to EU market". What should we give to get access to their market? Nothing !! Serious question. |
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or, do you think our fish, our waters and we'll eat all the fish ourselves?
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Do you think they won't want to buy the fish? They have to get it from somewhere as their markets want it. Fish is sold around the world.
I think we should reduce the take and let stocks recover but who knows what will be decided although I'm sure some access will be negotiated. |
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We are super close to being able to generate fish meat in a laboratory. I saw it at the Chaos Communication Congress a few years ago. Ok, that was about beef, but how much more difficult can fish be?
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Common fisheries policy agreed by EU and Norway, Iceland (I think) has been very successful in sustainable fishing through agreed quotas.
I'm sure access will be agreed, but deep down I think Johnson/Gove/Cummins et al don't really care as long as they can spin any agreement. But their posturing has actually put them unnecessarily in a difficult position whereby any reasonable access for the Eu in UK waters will be seen (incorrectly) as a climbdown. |
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And once we have our mercury free in-vitro fish, you Brits will cry bitter tears for having destroyed your far more important industries just so that the Tories can gift yet more quota to their cronies.
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it is an area where we have a bit of leverage and they will be required to give up some catch so arent happy. internal politics for macron probably mean he needs to appear tough.
'thanks' to the cfp we have over a thousand laws on fishing. if there is no agreement then our fish cant be landed in the eu. there is also a un agreement, the un convention on the law of the sea (unclos) which deals with the fact that fish migrate (sometimes they may be in our waters but at other times they cheat on us and swim in foreign waters) to be considered. further, there is the concept of acquired rights whereby they could carry on fishing even after the treaty no longer applies to us, the legal experts cant agree if this would apply or not so court cases would be likely. fishing is extremely complicated. |
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The life cycle of eel is extremely fascinating.
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Very little optics and grand standing from the EU.
The just get on and do deals The EU has agreed to end tariffs on U.S. frozen and live lobster for the next five years, with the aim to make this change permanent. In return, the U.S. will slash by 50% duties on certain EU goods, including crystal glassware and prepared meals. This has opened the door to further trade agreements between both sides. Just get it done! - Yes they do! |
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So there are tariffs between the US and the EU , good to know .
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Lfc 8.24 "Ireland will face ecomomic devastation,serves them right"
lol |
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Barnier, hope he remembers to pack some knee pads, can get painful after a few hours.
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Blimey, what do you get up to for you to know about that?
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Heart to God! |
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Potless
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3 cheers for the biscuit:
Hip Hip Hiroo Hip Hip Hiroo Hip Hip Hiroo |
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apparently boris is playing for time in the hope that trump will win. That doesn't sound like someone in a desperate corner at all.
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Does he not know that the EU knows that Trump will look forward to fleecing the UK much harder than anyone else on the planet?
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