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By:
Kelly
When: 30 Jan 20 13:33
Under estimating Scotland politically will be a very dangerous policy for the Conservative party . Particularly if there is any real aspiration for having any sense of "one-ness" which is one of Boris's sound bites .   Strategically Scotland is of huge significance in UK terms , and being dominated from London is not attractive to a lot of Scots . And they no longer could be described as being representative of a lot of warring factions/ clans .
By:
themover
When: 30 Jan 20 14:09
The SNP don't respect the results of any referendum, God knows why they want another!
By:
themover
When: 30 Jan 20 14:10
Scotland voted to stay in the UK and the UK voted to leave the EU. Case closed.
By:
politicspunter
When: 30 Jan 20 14:21

Jan 30, 2020 -- 2:10PM, themover wrote:


Scotland voted to stay in the UK and the UK voted to leave the EU. Case closed.


The case is very much open on Scottish Independence. Circumstances (ie leaving the EU) have completely changed. If Holyrood votes for a referendum, after all, it is elected by the Scottish people, then let them have a referendum. It is totally undemocratic to try and block it.

By:
themover
When: 30 Jan 20 14:24
I don't recall the SNP mentioning the EU before the last Independence referendum. In fact I'd go as far to say they didn't give two hoots about the EU until the UK decided to leave it and the majority of Scotland voted to remain in it. What is undemocratic is to ignore the last "once in a generation" referendum that even the SNP was quoting!
By:
politicspunter
When: 30 Jan 20 14:27
themover, you seem to be obsessed in blocking democratic referendums because the result of the previous one suits your agenda? It's not for you nor I to decide on whether to have a referendum, it's for the elected representatives of the parliament of the nation concerned, in this case Holyrood, to decide.
By:
themover
When: 30 Jan 20 14:30
Great, no need to bother the UK Parliament with it then.
By:
politicspunter
When: 30 Jan 20 14:31
The UK Parliament should have no involvement whatsoever.
By:
themover
When: 30 Jan 20 14:32
Why do they keep asking for one for in the UK Parliament then?
By:
politicspunter
When: 30 Jan 20 14:34
Sadly, in the Westminster system, a referendum has to be granted by the current government which is totally undemocratic.
By:
themover
When: 30 Jan 20 14:36
" it's for the elected representatives of the parliament of the nation concerned, in this case Holyrood, to decide."

So it's not up to them at all Confused
By:
politicspunter
When: 30 Jan 20 14:37
I am not sure I understand your post but if you believe it's not for Westminster to decide then you are correct.
By:
themover
When: 30 Jan 20 14:38
"in the Westminster system, a referendum has to be granted by the current government"

Correct, not Holyrood.
By:
politicspunter
When: 30 Jan 20 14:39
Sadly, yes, Westminster has to grant it, which is totally undemocratic.
By:
themover
When: 30 Jan 20 14:42
A bit like the EU that they want to remain in Laugh
By:
politicspunter
When: 30 Jan 20 14:44
To be fair to particularly the SNP, at Westminster they do not vote on matters that do not affect Scotland. It's completely undemocratic for the Westminster representatives of England, Wales and Northern Ireland to vote on matters on Scotland alone. The Holyrood Parliament is elected by the people of Scotland alone, it is for them to decide on any referendum.
By:
politicspunter
When: 30 Jan 20 14:52
UK (Scotland), YouGov poll:

Should Scotland be an independent country?

Yes: 51% (+7)
No: 49% (-7)

+/- vs. 3-6 December 2019

Fieldwork: 22-27 January 2020
Sample size: 1039
By:
themover
When: 30 Jan 20 15:03
So only 44% in favour of independence prior to the UK General Election. Surprised it only went up 7% after a Tory government was elected!
By:
moisok
When: 30 Jan 20 19:15
why are there so many here representing a tiny percentage of the kingdom

I would say they are massively over represented.

another question

why do so many nice scottish people live in england and why don't they or didn't they get a vote on independence
By:
sofiakenny
When: 30 Jan 20 19:55
mover..you aint the sharpest tool are you?..the longer the tories ignore and disrespect the people of Scotland what do you think that will do for
the indy movement?
By:
trilby22
When: 30 Jan 20 20:13
Well done with your last night.

sofiakenny • January 29, 2020 7:43 PM GMT

11/4 under 3 goals is my play ..gl.

I've already said so but you didn't acknowledge.
By:
themover
When: 30 Jan 20 20:40
"ignore and disrespect the people of Scotland"

The only Scots being disrespected are those that voted to stay in the UK when the SNP got it's "once in a generation" referendum.
By:
politicspunter
When: 30 Jan 20 20:54
The only Scots being disrespected are the ones who elect their representation at Holyrood but MPs from a Parliament in another country tell them what to do.
By:
themover
When: 30 Jan 20 22:14
sounds like the EU again Grin
By:
moisok
When: 30 Jan 20 22:14
but why couldn't  the nice scottish people who live in englandisch  vote in the independent issue

is there something ginge fears?
By:
moisok
When: 30 Jan 20 22:15
why do so many scottish mps represent so few voters?
By:
moisok
When: 30 Jan 20 22:15
why do we give them so much money?
By:
themover
When: 30 Jan 20 22:32
The SNP are over-represented in the UK Parliament thanks to First Past the Post, yet they want to be part of a Parliament where they will be under-represented Crazy
By:
trilby22
When: 30 Jan 20 22:55
Polly and Wee Larry the Sheephodger are easy confused, themover.  Typical snp folk Wink
By:
akabula
When: 31 Jan 20 00:33
sofiakenny30 Jan 20 19:55Joined: 02 Apr 05 | Topic/replies: 22,041 | Blogger: sofiakenny's blog
mover..you aint the sharpest tool are you?..the longer the tories ignore and disrespect the people of Scotland what do you think that will do for
the indy movement?


They are respecting the vast maority of Scolands voters. Only a tad over a third of the electorate voted for independence which means nearly 66% of the electorate didn't vote for independence.
What was that about not being the sharpest tool on the box? Although tbf kennybhoy sharp or blunt you are a tool. Laugh
By:
trilby22
When: 31 Jan 20 00:46
Ladies tights Laugh

Got a link to that skit, Aka?  I can't find it.
By:
akabula
When: 31 Jan 20 00:54
https://twitter.com/classicbritcom/status/1111692948662562816?lang=en

"I've got it wrong again"
Poor kennybhoy never ever gets it right. Laugh
By:
sofiakenny
When: 31 Jan 20 07:18
48-6 ya Orange quizling bigot...62-38
By:
politicspunter
When: 31 Jan 20 11:39

Jan 30, 2020 -- 10:14PM, themover wrote:


sounds like the EU again


Well, at least the EU recognised and accepted the democratic right of the people of the UK to a referendum in order to determine their future and didn't attempt to block it. Sadly, Westminster refuses to do the same with regard to the people of Scotland.

By:
pa lapsy
When: 31 Jan 20 11:43
Indeed,a failure of democracy in Scotland and Northern Ireland,the wishes of the people in the toilet.Rightfully taking to the streets this evening to protest,though will do little good.
By:
themover
When: 31 Jan 20 12:02
It's strange how Remainers that attempted to block the result of a referendum at every single opportunity are now screaming democracy. If N Ireland wants a vote no issues with that, Scotland has already had one but if they think there's a case for another then they can make that to the elected UK Government and they can decide.
By:
politicspunter
When: 31 Jan 20 12:09

Jan 31, 2020 -- 12:02PM, themover wrote:


It's strange how Remainers that attempted to block the result of a referendum at every single opportunity are now screaming democracy. If N Ireland wants a vote no issues with that, Scotland has already had one but if they think there's a case for another then they can make that to the elected UK Government and they can decide.


If you mean me, I voted Leave.

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