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The reason for 48 SNP MP's at Westminster .
The reason for 48 SNP MP's at Westminster .
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Brexit is neither here nor there when it comes to a referendum in N Ireland and Scotland
The unionists ( Protestants ) won’t vote for a United Ireland , or independent Scotland That’s all that matters Of course the nationalists ( in N Ireland and Scotland ) Won’t vote for anything else except against the union Nothing will change that in general |
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48 - 6 is a meaningless figure when it is seen in that context
The true context |
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lfc, the unionists in Northern Ireland will not be asked to vote for a United Ireland . It is too emotive a term , they may well be asked to vote for a United ISLAND , which is a horse of a different colour .
The brexiteers in arriving at the latest deal ( or no deal) have effectively constructed an economically united island in Ireland . From that to a reconstructed political set up over our 32 counties may not be a huge step . A revised political set up involving all shades of opinion in Ireland on an equal footing may not be a pipe dream , politics in the South of Ireland are not what they used to be , and with diminishing church influence nationwide ( south and north ) old allegiances are less important . The get out for Boris and co ( alleged devoted unionists) will only be to be very nice to the unionist population and to accede to all their demands in order to keep them on board . Might be good economically for Northern Ireland , "anything you say " etc . The DUP do like anything involving money , although it may be difficult to get the DUP MP for Strangford on board given his public denunciation of Boris . |
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lfc , 48 out of 59 is a huge percentage . I assume that all 48 SNP MP's at Westminster are of the one mind , they certainly seem to be the most coherent party at Westminster . The other 11 Scottish MP's may or may not all be wedded to status quo either , no expert on that myself , but even if they are they represent a small minority .
Ignore reality if you like , but be warned . Some figures do not lie regarding strength of opinion . Particularly if Brexit goes pear shaped and the promised brave new world turns out to be a damp squib . |
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Kelly the SNP won 56 seats in 2015 , and lost the referendum
It’s a meaningless figure in that context In N Ireland the unionists will not vote themselves into being a permanent minority It’s a foolish and dangerous thing that do in any country they’re not daft |
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Brexit , latest deal or no deal , is THE FACTOR , lfc . Now that it is fact almost , political views will self align to adjust to the hugely changed circumstances . If Scotland is unhappy with the outcome and the revised situation economically and politically the demand for independence will increase . If Boris wants to maintain the union , he will have to be nice to Northern Ireland , Scotland , and Wales possibly . Evidence of that to date in his short time as PM is skimpy , he shafted the DUP and takes every opportunity to diss Scottish views in the House of Commons .
Politics sometimes is about playing your cards to best advantage . Not sure Boris will do that . |
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Once again I would be happy for Scotland to have another vote and leave the UK if there is a majority but:
I note that the SNP got 45% of the Scottish vote in December despite asking remainers to support them even if they were pro union. Under proportional representation they would have less MPs not more. London also voted remain. Should they also have the right to vote to leave the UK? They have a bigger percentage of the UK population than Scotland. The EU are yet to give any encouragement to an independent Scotland's wish to rejoin the EU. I could easily see Scotland being out of both UK and EU very soon and is that what they want? They could align themselves with Norway and be an associate member but that would involve costly border controls with the UK. |
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The President ( or at least 1 of them ) is not elected by the 500 million citizens but by just 28 people - that is half the number that even sat in the old Politburo. When Jean Claude the Drunk was 'elected' President it was by 27 votes to 1 against. That 1 vote against was David Cameron, therefore by definition he was imposed on the people of Great Britain.
Theoretically correct, but Juncker is the absolute worst example you could've chosen. The only reason he became President of the EU Commission is that he was the candidate of the winning party of the EU Parliament elections and the big groups in parliament flexed their muscle and said "he or none other". David Cameron voted against him because he wanted to keep the old model where the governments of the EU member countries decide (something that now happened with von der Leyen because the EU parliament wasn't united behind Weber, unlike in 2014). No mechanism exists to remove a President if it is thought he has done wrong. Unlike as we see today in the USA and every other democratic country. There is a mechanism for the parliament to remove the entire commission, including the president. ...much of the rest of your post in conspiratory nonsense. |
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i.e David Cameron was opposed to the EU Parliament taking powers from the EU Council.
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Whereas the other 27 governments, much to their dislike because they would've favoured someone else, respected the Spitzenkandidat principle that the EU Parliament had forced on them in 2014 (...because they didn't have another choice...)
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Given the dramatic change of circumstance of the UK leaving the EU, a new referendum should be held. The Scottish people have clearly rejected their Conservative MPs and expressed a wish to support SNP ones at the ballot box. I can't think of anything more unfair than those rejected Conservatives to now tell the Scottish people that they are in a position to refuse them a referendum.
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very true pp..unfortunately we have to live with bampots like ackiebigot and his wee dug tribly
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-51139519
And here is Lisa Nandy being foolish in the extreme on a subject she is clearly completely out of her depth. Labour deputy leader candidate Ian Murray thankfully puts her in her place. |
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ya sheepshagging aberdonian , Braveheart wisnae a documentary.
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And slippery wee soapy is going tae bring wee nippy down wi the podgin .
I see our education system is goan firther soon the swanee under the scots nazis. |
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gtf intae the home counties where ya belong ya tory weasel..46-6 ya bawbag.
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Freedumb!
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& Dumber
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Self government is too complicated for the Scots .
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the SNP ones obviously , most true Scots loath the SNP and don’t listen to their bullshine !
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That's awfully white of you.
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Kelly
Kelly15 Jan 20 22:46Joined: 08 Mar 01 | Topic/replies: 8,158 | Blogger: Kelly's blog akabula , you obviously don't see much difference arising from the Brexit vote , resulting in Scotland being dragged out of the EU against the substantial will of the voters . That is the crux of the matter , if you can't see that it says little for your political nous . Lets look at the facts. the turnout for the 2014 referendum was 84.6% whilst for the EU referendum it was 67.2%. Tells you what was more important to us Scots. 2,001,926 Scots said NO to independence whilst 1,661,191 Scots said NO to leaving the EU. 1,661,191 represents 41.6% of the electorate. Wheres the mandate? Sturgeon and Salmond both on record as saying ONCE IN A GENERATION and ONCE IN A LIFETIME. So in refusing a second referendum Westminster is honouring their pledges. |
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What an advert kennybhoy is for the SNP.
I,m beginning to think hes John Mason. |
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Have a look at the banners on display at Saturdays march.
No wonder most Scots refer to them as The Provisional SNP. The organisers saying 80,000 whilst 'Crowd Count' reports just over 10,000. Humza Yousaf, our Justice Minister, was marching with a group who are facing criminal charges in Aberdeen. What a plonker he is. |
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themightymac • May 1, 2019 2:51 PM BST
Obsessed with the SNP and Marches. Report• Quote • Block User sofiakenny • May 1, 2019 2:57 PM BST He is a horrid individual his contribution on the Billy McNeill tribute thread sums him up. |
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Social Security Benefits was a devolved power given to the SNP in 2016.
It still hasn't been taken up and won't be until 2024 at the earliest. Why you might ask. Well the SNP simply say they aren't ready for it yet. And they wanted independence in 2014 and claimed it would only take them 18 months to create a whole new State. Probably right though as we'd be in a terrible state if they ever get their way. |
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politicalaftertimer calls lfc a troll
A fantasist who everybody on here has seen through. Trump for POTUS was his only loser but when he won PP somehow had traded out of it and showed a small profit. May for PM was his only loser but when he won PP somehow had traded out of it and showed a small profit. Boris for PM was his only loser but when he won PP somehow had traded out of it and showed a small profit. Can you see the pattern yet? |
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I'm sure PP's just being ironic, Aka. He'd be a right tw@t otherwise.
Meanwhile, there were 10,156 Separatist Shufflers in Glasgow on 11 Jan, around 8 times fewer than the SNP (and media) lied about. #AUOB #AllUnderOneBanner https://twitter.com/UKaForceForGood/status/1217884239506612224 |
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What's aka on about trilby? you can cut and paste it if you like, I have him blocked.
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^^ SNP MARCH SPEEDED-UP, COUNT ON SCREEN, 10,156
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSTzFKpI9vc&feature=emb_logo |
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No need trilby, curiosity got the better of me so I temporarily unblocked akabula to see what he was saying about me.
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I'm blocked
Yet more fibs. |
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His digits must be bleeding blocking and unblocking.
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akabula • January 16, 2020 10:39 PM GMT
politicalaftertimer calls lfc a troll Laugh A fantasist who everybody on here has seen through. Trump for POTUS was his only loser but when he won PP somehow had traded out of it and showed a small profit. May for PM was his only loser but when he won PP somehow had traded out of it and showed a small profit. Boris for PM was his only loser but when he won PP somehow had traded out of it and showed a small profit. Can you see the pattern yet? LaughLaughLaugh This is the one , is it? Well now, Trump became president when he won the election on 8th November 2016. Theresa May became UK prime minister on 13th July 2016. But hold on, I didn't join the forum until 2018 (feel free to check it out). How can it be that according to akabula, I was after timing saying I had made a profit after they both won? The simple truth is, as usual, akabula simply made it up. Let me turn to the last part, Boris for PM. https://community.betfair.com/politics/go/thread/view/94150/31554125/who-is-this?post_id=558429385#558429385#flvWelcomeHeader There you go akabula. All details on this thread with all bets posted and dated in advance of the result. |
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When did you join as Meadow?
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akabula...
themightymac • May 1, 2019 2:51 PM BST Obsessed with the SNP and Marches. Report• Quote • Block User sofiakenny • May 1, 2019 2:57 PM BST He is a horrid individual his contribution on the Billy McNeill tribute thread sums him up. |
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I remember when you were cornered and said Meadow told you.
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The SNP are going to refuse to take down the EU flag flown at Holyrood after we leave.
Scottish Education, NHS, Police and Transport all in a mess yet they spend time debating on stupid stunts like this. |