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The voters obviously think the SNP is doing a good job . Otherwise the conclusion is that the Scots are idiotic politically ( which they are decidedly not) .
Those attacking the SNP are ignoring the reality of the feelings in Scotland . These attackers also attribute failings in health and education matters to the SNP in Scotland . Coming from a crap education record in England , worst ever A & E figures in England , and a still split electorate in England , that is rich . According to the attackers everything in England is rosy , it is a great country to live in , The Scots are just malevolent trouble makers .
I spent time in England and Scotland last year , the Scots were generally a lot happier lot than the English . If I had to relocate to the "mainland " , I would be heading for Scotland rather than England ( and their golf courses are way ahead of English ones , in overall quality and financial value wise ) .
Those attacking the SNP are ignoring the reality of the feelings in Scotland . These attackers also attribute failings in health and education matters to the SNP in Scotland . Coming from a crap education record in England , worst ever A & E figures in England , and a still split electorate in England , that is rich . According to the attackers everything in England is rosy , it is a great country to live in , The Scots are just malevolent trouble makers .
I spent time in England and Scotland last year , the Scots were generally a lot happier lot than the English . If I had to relocate to the "mainland " , I would be heading for Scotland rather than England ( and their golf courses are way ahead of English ones , in overall quality and financial value wise ) .
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Free university education, free personal care for the elderly, higher pay for carers, free prescriptions, free bus passes at sixty, free baby box and help for new mothers.....
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Free drug rehab too?
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we see the new fascism and racism emerging on here - from the left this time
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13.08 . Maybe that's why the Scots are happier than the English , politics punter . And why the SNP are increasing in support election by election .
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No doubt about it. They also have the best politician in the UK as their leader.
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no mandate
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After all, Margaret Thatcher did say Scotland could become an independent country when a majority of their MPs represented the SNP in Westminster.
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Naw means Naw!
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It’s amazing how bad England’s education system is , and yet the English are more intelligent than the Scots or the Irish
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It's the somalians brining your iq up lfc
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 heaven help us |
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Where’s telepathic , he used to appear on these threads , good fun
everyone’s going away :( |
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Scotland is one of the best places in the world to live , there I’ve said it
But then it has been for the last 300 years England also . But England may be in terminal decline ! |
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Did Thatcher actually say that politics punter ?
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Who?
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Only one third of all Scots eligible to vote voted for independence in 2014 and that figure has barely wavered since.
Safe to say those that do vote for the cult do so blindly. Disaster of a party that has left a trail of failure in their wake. Good to see a decent SNP MP in Kenny MacAskill back in the ranks though and he aint a fan of wee nicky. Sturgeon has badly split the country but her downfall will be the split developing in the SNP itself. |
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Somebody tell politicalloser that Mrs T is no longer PM.
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ackie/bigot a dup traitor..gtf you clown ..you lost more than half of your mp's ya thick dinosaur.
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Irrespective of the ultimate result of the ultimate referendum re Scottish independence , how undemocratic is it to refuse a Scottish referendum when so much has changed since 2014 ? Particularly given recent much changed voting figures since 2014 .
We know that the English love the concept of the United Kingdom , particularly since they control the whole operation . And having watched the essential break up of the empire since WW2 finished , holding on to Northern Ireland and Scotland has become more important . Northern Ireland less so now , as evidenced by Boris shafting the DUP , and anyway the issue of Northern Ireland leaving the UK is beyond the control of Westminster as enshrined in the Good Friday Agreement . If Cameron had not allowed the EU referendum vote can you imagine that Boris and Farage and Rees Mogg and the faceless banking fraternity would have been sitting quietly accepting that failing to instigate a referendum vote was beyond possibility ? They would have been labelling Cameron as Fascist , with equivalent propaganda . The English in particular are very adept at making rules which suit themselves exclusively . SNP vs Conservatives re independence vote is a legitimate debate based on current recent voting patterns . The concept of democracy is that everyone has an equal say/vote . Boris is hiding from reality , not for the first or last time . Chicken / chancer . Relevant also to point out that Scottish independence vote would ( allegedly) save the English exchequer money and make Westminster a lot easier to run in Tory mode given the disappearance of the nuisance Scots . |
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Massive generalisations there in the OP. I am English with some Scottish ancestry. I enjoy visiting the highlands and used to respect the many leading Scots MPs in Westminster. Now I just hope that Scotland gets its referendum and the boil is lanced once and for all. It probably won't happen though as the SNP would ignore any result other than leave and demand another one. If they win indyref2, Westminster would be free of their moaning MPs which would be almost as big a reason to celebrate as Brexit.
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If Nigel was leading the snp I would worry about independence, with wee nippy Nicola it's not going to happen.
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Just a matter of when..not if..hopefully next year.
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The EU Parliament didn't seem to have any issue on the UK having a referendum about remaining/leaving. Why should the Westminster Parliament refuse the Scottish people a referendum now that there has been a dramatic change in circumstances, namely the UK leaving the EU? It is for the Scottish people alone to decide their future in a democratic referendum.
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The EU system is democratic . UK system is flawed and has become undemocratic largely because politicians are no longer worthy in any shape or form . Needs to be changed , if there had been PR elections in December the SNP wish for a referendum would have had a better chance of implementation .
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The U.K. system has survived and prospered for over 300 years
It’s good for at least another 300 |
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Akabullshit and lfc who needs the aggravation, couple of brainless ****s, and that is being kind.
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Kelly
Irrespective of the ultimate result of the ultimate referendum re Scottish independence , how undemocratic is it to refuse a Scottish referendum when so much has changed since 2014 ? Particularly given recent much changed voting figures since 2014 . What exactly has changed? Brexit? Well the infamous white paper issued by the SNP for the 2014 referendum warned voters that a vote for the Union might see them taken out of Europe. Despite that the Scottish voters voted to retain the Union with only 34% of the electorate voting for independence. Subsequent Elections maybe? Well the Unionist vote has been greater than the separatist vote each time. Also for comparison more people voted No to indepence in Scotland than those that voted to remain in EU. Struggling to see a mandate for indyref2. The right to a vote? Well the signatories to the Bill giving consent to the 2014 referendum included Salmon and Sturgeon who both went to the polls stating this was a once in a generation referendum and both also signed up to honour the result. Given the conduct of the SNP since 2014 only Westminster have honoured the result and have quite rightly ruled out indyref2. BTW in the latest GE the SNP went to the poles asking Tory and Labour voters to lend them their vote and stated that they wouldn't take it as a vote for independence. Yet another pledge the SNP have reneged on. |
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The EU system is democratic .
They have the only Parliament in the world that cannot propose legislation. They have copied the Chinese model where you can elect a local nobody who fiddles plenty but you cannot elect a legislator. That is democracy only in the eyes of a fool. The President ( or at least 1 of them ) is not elected by the 500 million citizens but by just 28 people - that is half the number that even sat in the old Politburo. When Jean Claude the Drunk was 'elected' President it was by 27 votes to 1 against. That 1 vote against was David Cameron, therefore by definition he was imposed on the people of Great Britain. No mechanism exists to remove a President if it is thought he has done wrong. Unlike as we see today in the USA and every other democratic country. The fiddling of expenses within the EU institutions is legendary. The books have never been signed off. When a whistleblower steps forward they are fired. When FOI requests are made they are ignored. When individuals took this matter to the ECJ the highest judge there ruled it was not in the interest of the general public to view or scrutinise EU spending and expenses of the tens of thousands employees. National symbols were banned from the Parliament last week. The CAP impoverishes Africa. They started a war in Ukraine and then threw then under the bus. They will never permit another referendum on any subject in any member state. They are proposing to spend £1 trillion on climate change - money they do not have. New rules viz-a-viz climate change that they will introduce without public consultation will apply to all EU citizens - except them. Their currency is under serious stress and is unlikely to last much longer. Major EU banks are bankrupt and are only been propped up by the ECB - utterly unsustainable. They despise any notion of the nation state. They are threatening Hungary and Poland because their democratically elected Governments are not doing as they are told. They have impoverished Greece and turned it into a protectorate with 50% youth unemployment, little hope and little future. If a referendum were allowed on membership across the EU ( which it won't be ) the membership would half. The whole thing is a rotten, stinking, corrupt, undemocratic prison. We are well rid. |
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akabula , you obviously don't see much difference arising from the Brexit vote , resulting in Scotland being dragged out of the EU against the substantial will of the voters . That is the crux of the matter , if you can't see that it says little for your political nous .
brexit is a game changer , and the Conservative demolition in Scotland shows how far the goal posts have moved . The English brexiteers have completely ignored the Scots in the consideration of the brexit outcome , and like Newton to every action there is an equal and opposite reaction . I have little reaction to UK decision to leave EU , except that it will affect us here adversely until we re enter via GFA option . That may take some years , just as it will take many years before the much heralded trade deals and brave new world emerge after the disastrous 3 years we have wasted wandering back and forward to Brussels . The Scots will be watching events in Northern Ireland closely , our politicians here may be able to use that as a lever to obtain further concessions in the meantime . Then we can do an about turn when it suits us , a la Boris . Politics has become a messy business with all the chancers abroad in the kingdom . |
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Pish, gallons of pish.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/17/scottish-independence-referendum-yes-no-agree-once-in-lifetime-vote
. Both sides of the Scottish referendum debate are agreed on one thing: it is a once-in-a-lifetime issue. David Cameron underlined this message on Tuesday when he told people in Scotland independence would be a "painful divorce". Alex Salmond pledged there would be no second referendum for "a generation", even if he lost by one vote. End of fred. Good night  |
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gtf ya gold panning bampot.
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48-6 ya divit.
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You can't argue with figures like that , can you . Especially people who dined out on a narrow 52-48 figure for years .
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Apples and pears
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