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Exact same in Scotland. Don't be so naive Kenny.
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The UK and the EU will end up with an FTA, just depends how long it takes the EU to chat about it.
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...... and what price the EU extracts for it
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dude..you reckon wee Nicky is as dishonest as that fud Bojo?...give yer heid a shake man.
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Price ..... for starters....the EU will demand unrestricted access to British fishing grounds and Boris and co will agree and shaft all the fishermen who voted for BREXIT
Hell mend them you can never trust a Tory . |
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Denmark has already demanded that. Do they not know there is no fish left thanks to having open waters in the EU
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GDP per capita is the economic stat that matters, the rest is spin, smoke and mirrors.
The EU is miles behind the US in GDP per capita, always has been, always will be.  |
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Mover - the depletion of the fishing grounds was down to the Tories who negotiated the fishing rights away to the EU with the sound bite " as not being of sufficient importance to bother about".
As I said never trust a TORY |
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Hopefully they can negotiate them back
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dude..you reckon wee Nicky is as dishonest as that fud Bojo?...give yer heid a shake man.
No, never said that. I'd agree she's probably not as dishonest as Boris but then again 80% of what she says is simply moaning at Westminster even if she will end up doing the exact same as them when it's Scotland decision. I'm not sure if I've ever seen as quick a U turn in politics as the SNP over the Airport Duty Tax. |
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After making that statement about airport tax and speed.....I assume you don't follow politics to closely." Dying in a ditch"
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At least UK fishing has a chance again, which it wouldn't have with remain. Let's hope they don't fook it up again.
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Platini 13 Dec 19 16:41
GDP per capita is the economic stat that matters, the rest is spin, smoke and mirrors. The EU is miles behind the US in GDP per capita, always has been, always will be. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No it's not. Purchasing power and % of world trade are more important in this case. GDP per capita skews the real picture. Anyway - the point is the EU, US and China are close enough in terms of trade negotiation leverage. They are the 3 economic world powers - none is dominant over the other |
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"MICHAEL GOVE has promised Britain will be outside of the Common Fisheries Policy after Brexit should the Conservative Parliament succeed in forming a majority Government from this month’s general election."
By PAUL WITHERS PUBLISHED: 14:43, Mon, Dec 2, 2019 | UPDATED: 17:58, Mon, Dec 2, 2019 |
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When UK leaves EU - we are very minor players
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The UK will have the same nuclear power as all of the EU combined
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They will.....it is already written into the Boris deal that fishing rights are to be negotiated.
Gives us a break, this bunch are a bunch of political scoundrels and nothing is beyond their capabilities of lying and skullduggery. |
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After making that statement about airport tax and speed.....I assume you don't follow politics to closely." Dying in a ditch"
I'd consider a two time manifesto commitment as a somewhat more entrenched position than a metaphorical political soundbite. |
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So what - going to invade the EU
 . Militarily UK is only on a par with France, probably less nuclear capability, but not sure At the moment France is actually militarily stronger than the UK but that is only current picture as UK is re-vamping and re-investing and may be stronger in a few years time - but its hair-splitting. |
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The English nationalist brexiteers seem to think this is still the BRITISH EMPIRE.
SEND A GUNBOAT UP THE RIVER AND SHOW JOHNNY FOREIGNER WE ARE THEIR LORDS AND MASTERS. |
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And we have a more effective defence force than the rest of the EU combined. One of my remaining images of the referendum campaign was a Belgian pro EU student asking who is going to pay for and provide the defence of Europe if we leave. A question which gave a much more revealing picture of how we are perceived there.
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The SNP government took a decision based on changing circumstances regarding the Airport Duty which was correct.
You want to decry them for making a correct decision? |
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The EU will/are desperate to link up security and the UK should not give up things like it's fisheries whilst giving them that.
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The SNP government took a decision based on changing circumstances regarding the Airport Duty which was correct.
You want to decry them for making a correct decision? What were the changing circumstances? It was no longer a stick to beat Westminster with and it was now a devolved power? |
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This mob will sell your granny to achieve their own ends.
Never were so many political carpetbaggers allowed thro the door of No 10. |
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The things you are talking about had already been "sold" being in the EU.
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It was to do with climate change....it was pointed out that they were encouraging more flying which was against the targets being set to reduce emissions.
That was why the decision was made. Check that you know what you are talking about before you jump in ....it saves embarrassment. |
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Of course if Scotland should go independent half of the UK deficit will be sorted out overnight.
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She has shot her bolt nothing the SNP can do we are out hopefully Sturgeon will then leave the UK Rifkind spoke so eloquently this morning on the telly alienating Boris was poor judgement who cares whether Scotland is all SNP we need border controls.
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It was to do with climate change....it was pointed out that they were encouraging more flying which was against the targets being set to reduce emissions.
That was why the decision was made. Check that you know what you are talking about before you jump in ....it saves embarrassment.  So someone had to point out to them that their manifesto vow in reducing airport duty tax from the highest rate in the EU to the lowest rate in the EU would be "encouraging more flying"? You actually make them sound even worse than I do. |
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Really Mover
I assume you are quoting the GERS deficit....If you believe that you will believe in fairies at the bottom of your garden. The figures are" ESTIMATES" of Revenue and Expenditure supplied by the Westminster TREASURY to the SCOTTISH GOVERNMENT. For example 24 out of the 25 revenue streams are ESTIMATES because the UK treasury has no way of apportioning accurate revenues to the 4 countries of the UK. Did you know that the Gers figures showed a positive balance every year up to 2014, since then a negative balance. I wonder why that is......what happened in 2014. I leave you to work that one out |
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Busted flush.
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Shrewd I kind of doubt that, as you clearly missed the point: If they had implemented the policy they would have come under criticism from the climate change lobby especially since they were already setting targets for emissions and one would have clashed with the other. Considering that climate change was becoming the focus of attention, they chose to make a political decision in favour of reduced emissions.
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The reason these figures are not “rubbished by the Scottish government” is because they are produced by the Scottish government.
In the pre-referendum White Paper, Alex Salmond stated “GERS is the authoritative publication on Scotland’s public finances”. |
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I never missed the point. I quoted what you said. Of course they would have come under criticism. That is agreed. That is why they made a complete u turn on a policy which they had used in two manifesto's.
That is why they are also hypocritical liars who are also untrustworthy. They criticised Westminster for having the highest air duty tax in the world when it was a reserved power but a few years after using it as a stick to beat Westminster with they realised that actually the world is a more complex place when you are the one that is making the decisions. Then after all the criticism they gave Westminster it turns out they actually agree with Westminsters position and shelved it. Sturgeon when it was a reserved power "Air passenger duty is one of the highest taxes of its kind in the world - which simply doesn't make sense". Once it's devolved of course it does make sense to her. Get it? |
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Sturgeon should consolidate her position over the next 2 years . By that time a lot of chickens will have come home to roost , Brexit chaos may have occurred as the EU politicians have shown themselves to be adept . Not sure Boris even knows what is in his oven ready deal , his incorrect answers to the Northern Ireland border in the sea indicate that . The one thing the DUP are good on is money , they like their half crown . They are against Boris's deal , presumably because they have figured out the implications of his deal .And maybe the penny has dropped that they backed the wrong horse ( leave wise ) in the beginning .
Listening to newly elected Conservatives in places like Burnley today , putting together pieces of the jigsaw . They were not voted in , Labour were voted out . Big difference . If Boris and co make complacent assumptions ( probable) and act accordingly , these new guys ( and gals) will be left high and dry next time around . The Tories just want away from EU controls , so that they and their well heeled supporters can avoid scrutiny and make money( their only god) from financial transactions . NHS , schools , police , etc , conservatives pretend they care , but if they do they have a huge recent history of treating all these with disdain , 9 years and a very poor track record later . Boris and co will prove their incompetence in due course , again their track record individually while in government/ cabinet positions is poor , and you can't get blood from a stone . Being clever electorally and acting for the common good are 2 different animals . Sturgeon and Northern Ireland just have to sit tight , awaiting screw ups in Brexit process , unfortunately it will mean longer NHS queues etc and potential strikes here . Scotland at least have control of what is happening there , N I is in limbo , the police in particular are very worried about their ability to cope with any developments . Nobody , least of all those with ultimate power , cares . Actions more proof than words . People need to be aware of what/who they have voted for . All 18 of returned Northern Ireland MP's oppose Boris's deal . Ponder on that . And only 8 of 18 have unionist specifically in their title . |
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if that were true , all she needs to do is wait , but doesnt want to wait in case it turns out for the better and then she hasnt got a case
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The usual total ignorance spouted about Scotland and independence. Trouble many of you have is the sources from which your "information" comes.
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For pitys sake please leave. The sooner the better.
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couldn't agree more sageform.
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