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By the way those dangers have nothing to do with Brexit
It is merely the law and no law has or could have been broken |
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Ah I thought edy. might be confused , so I added that
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Don't know.
I admire lfc's opinions as much as anyone but I'm torn here. On matters of the law, in whom should we place the most value: the most senior judges in the land or a constantly p!ssed pensioner on a betting forum. I can't quite make my mind up. |
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So what are the dangers?
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You can forget Brexit for a moment ( although remainers including judges cannot be trusted )
This is purely a matter of the law , I can assure you |
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The concern is that once the courts have interfered in political matters on one occasion, you have opened Pandora's box.
But, if you had a written constitution  |
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I will say it again , if you try to say something that is in and of itself legal
Is illegal . Because you don’t like what has been done , for whatever reason Then we are in very dangerous territory , where does it end How many other perfectly legal things can be stopped , and why , and by whom , and for what reason ....? You see it’s so dangerous that’s a very bad path to go down |
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A written constitution of course is neither here nor there
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Boris prorogued , it was legal to do so
That’s all there is to it |
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Now I don’t want to have to take you all through this step by step again
( even the Scottish judges were too stupid to understand ) |
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boris johnson would likely attempt to carry on if this is deemed to be illegal
as it is a new case which has no precedent to guide the supreme court then there cannot be a known punishment. possibly up to his own party to remove him from office if he fails to resign then of course mps would get chance to boot him when parliament returns, and instal a new pm, ....no need for an election until 2022 new pm could negotiate new deal, put it to second referendum, then resign to force election just a guess.... who nose ... |
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It’s merely an exercise in logical thought , it’s not good enough to know the law if you don’t process that
many people don’t have the facility |
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clearly
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The question of legality is why the court is listening to the evidence
That is what it is about .. because we don't have a written constitution it is why there are doubts about the legality of his actions Proroguing of itself is not illegal but it is the underlying reason as to why he did it ... most people know why of course but the judges will make a determination based on the law |
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It’s there , I’ve set it out for you step by step , I’ve done the thinking for you
You know the hard bit You have only to read . and try to understand |
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more than that geordie, they are going to have to make a law...
or decline to do so |
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slow learners , they don’t really understand
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surely bozo cant survive if they lose? misleading the queen must be a big no no.
that said, unless the queen and her advisers have been on mars they would have known they were being lied to and they went along with it anyway. imo it shows queeny isnt really impartial, but that's another matter. |
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perhaps lfc should appear in court as an expert witness aongside Lord Keen .. what could go wrong
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the queen can not decline to do what government tells her to do.
which, is why honesty to her is so important |
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edy I’m sure the german constitution is very fine , ( the British may have written it ?)
However it has no relevance here , no constitution does Not in this case |
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It appears to be just more attention seeking by Gina Miller.
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The pm is perfectly entitled to lie to the Queen should he wish
That’s not good , but it’s not relevant either |
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surely queeny should tell them they are lying when they lie to her?
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she should have said 'tell me its to avoid scrutiny and i can do it, lie to me and i am in trouble'.
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she cant jollyswagman, she just signs the paper or puts her seal upon it
probably gives them a cup of tea from fortnums too, and nice biscuits |
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no jolly , it’s the fact that he can lie to thecqueen that means she is not in trouble
If he couldn’t do that then the Queen has too much power. Far too much And that’s dangerous |
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Don't know what they want to be open for, they've already rejected Deal and No Deal
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maybe they can come out and just issue a judgement that says 'afternoon tea is a wonderful thing', that would clear the whole brexit saga up
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Find him guilty of lying to her majesty, lock him up, and void every bill that has been passed under his premiership I say.
To think that the queen gave royal assent to the Benn bill, after being told it was in the nations interests. One has been royally mugged right off. |
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You will have to understand.
The Queen does what she is told |
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another day of fun and reasoned argument ahead
sadly some have fun but zero reasoned agument, still you are allowed lfc. |
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Extract from the Cherry written case
The Executive in this country is not elected directly by the people. The Executive’s accountability under our constitution is therefore not directly to the people. To claim otherwise is not to uphold democracy in this country, but to attempt to establish populism. The Executive constitutional accountability under our system is always and only to the elected representatives of the people duly assembled together in Parliament. Thus, where the Prime Minister chooses to webcast videos under the title “The People’s PMQs” rather than face real and direct questioning in Parliament from the elected representatives of the people during Prime Minister’s Questions and other sittings of Parliament he is parodying, and so subverting, the true principle of his accountability to Parliament as protected and embodied under the constitution. |
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Interesting to hear the Chief Justice state that the paperwork from the Scottish case is better arranged than the paperwork from the English case.
Surely all badly arranged paperwork should be disregarded  |
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Something that needs to be reviewed in the aftermath of this is the length of the parliamentary summer recess and the subsequent conference season recess. A six week recess, return for two weeks, then a further three week recess.
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Lord Kerr intervenes on the point of the government not having unlimited powers available to them .....
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we don't need to see them in parliament thanks,they are doing too much damage
im reading a book and it mentions Lord Brookeborough the prime minister of N Ireland often he wasn't to be found in Stormont and people complained he was never at his desk what they didn't realise was he didn't have a desk  |
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Thus, where the Prime Minister chooses to webcast videos under the title “The People’s PMQs” rather than face real and direct questioning in Parliament from the elected representatives of the people during Prime Minister’s Questions and other sittings of Parliament he is parodying, and so subverting, the true principle of his accountability to Parliament as protected and embodied under the constitution.
Are you criticising that Boris isn't being put under enough scrutinity by the hand-picked questions for People's PMQ? |