Can We Possibly Be Out By Oct 31st?

if you want brexit you have to vote tory otherwise corbyn will be in power, talkin about a election should it happen

Errm, but we are still in the EU despite having a tory government since the referendum. Surely, some other party is worth trying now.

we are only still here because remainer mps wont let us leave, gina miller started it with the article 50 crap then they voted in a tory remainer who tried to please everybody and failed and now boris who in my opinion had no choice but to suspend parliament to get thru a no deal, we will never leave with a deal because the eu wont give us a decent deal and the majority of parliament wouldnt pass thru a deal that involves us leavin the eu, so boris cant win

really sick and tired of mps that clearly want brexit stopped in its tracks,rather than a new govermeant why not a compleatly new parliament with just leavers in it

A new government definitely. One that represents the current wishes of this country. Only a general election can resolve that.

Following Wednesday's votes, No 10 said the public will get to choose between a deal, no deal, or "more delay".

Downing Street said the prime minister will deliver an address later setting out the "vital choice that faces our country".

"It is clear the only action is to go back to the people and give them the opportunity to decide what they want: Boris to go to Brussels and get a deal, or leave without one on 31 October or Jeremy Corbyn arriving in Brussels with his surrender bill begging for more delay, more dither and accepting whatever terms Brussels imposes over our nation," the spokesperson said.


forgive me if im wrong but isnt a deal the same as more delay

Sep 5, 2019 -- 10:19AM, lord skywalker wrote:

really sick and tired of mps that clearly want brexit stopped in its tracks,rather than a new govermeant why not a compleatly new parliament with just leavers in it

We could easily get that without a general election, just allow Boris to replace the MP's that he has just purged.
Then he can go on to replace the opposition MP's with new Conservative MP's, sprinkled in with a few from the Brexit party.

oh so youre saying that lib dems and labour represent the current wishes of the country, lib dems want brexit stopped and labour want the single market/customs union included in a deal but will campaign to remain (like that makes any sense)

anna sourby posted that she beleives the country has changed its mind and wishees to stay, what planet do these mps live on

Sep 5, 2019 -- 10:27AM, lord skywalker wrote:

anna sourby posted that she beleives the country has changed its mind and wishees to stay, what planet do these mps live on

she's an absolute parasite

Sep 5, 2019 -- 10:27AM, lord skywalker wrote:

anna sourby posted that she beleives the country has changed its mind and wishees to stay, what planet do these mps live on

The planet that looks at poll results issued by YouGov just yesterday.

Jings, thought that was just me!

more rubbish from a remoaner, you cant not trust polls, proberly taken from a selection of remainers anyway

sad remainers, leavers will have the last laugh beleive me

You surely can't be serious. When running the poll, part of the normal questions are whether they voted leave/remain in the referendum. How can you get accurate results if you just asked folks that voted for one of the options?

bj wants a deal.....surrender monkey bj

farage and brexit party want no deal pure brexit




easy decision for you hard brexiteers to make

Right enough. The only way to ensure no deal is to vote for the Brexit Party.

farage and brexit party want no deal pure brexit

They do now, wasn't their position last time around, again demonstrating the almighty mess that DC instigated

polls are rubbish, theyre rarely right and you cant trust them, bbc always spouting about polls, ive never been asked any poll questions about brexit, oh yes  i live in a leavers town so they wouldnt dare come here

look you had a choice you either voted leave/remain, leave won by over a million votes, remoaners clearly still havent accepted the result 3 years on, get a grip

Sep 5, 2019 -- 10:45AM, lord skywalker wrote:

polls are rubbish, theyre rarely right and you cant trust them, bbc always spouting about polls, ive never been asked any poll questions about brexit, oh yes

There shouldn't even be any remainers or polls about Brexit
It should have been delivered already

Most polls are accurate, some incredibly so. You should check them out, it's a licence to print money betting on politics.

unfortunately we have a undemocratic parliament that just wont accept the 2016 vote and is tryin to tie the hands of the govermeant

The government had a clear majority when the referendum was carried out.

they aint preventing a deal and brexit

thats bj and his cronies doing that

doesnt matter what majority they had, parliament has shut down the govermeant everytime we tried to leave

Would you like us to get you some tissues

erg repeatedly voted against brexit

theres yer problem,

No doubt that played a major part in it.

rees mogg voted against brexit....

bj voted against brexit...

labour wants single market/customs union (that aint brexit in any form), lib dems (want brexit stopped), snp (want brexit stopped) , brexit party and tories (leave with no deal because other parties will never agree to us leavin with any brexit deal)

bj is doing the right thing its the others that are preventing it, you clearly have a lot to learn

Sep 5, 2019 -- 11:01AM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:

bj voted against brexit...

BRINO

Sep 5, 2019 -- 11:01AM, lord skywalker wrote:

labour wants single market/customs union (that aint brexit in any form), lib dems (want brexit stopped), snp (want brexit stopped) , brexit party and tories (leave with no deal because other parties will never agree to us leavin with any brexit deal)bj is doing the right thing its the others that are preventing it, you clearly have a lot to learn

>you won't get any sense on here with these europhiles

mays deal wouldve kept us tied into eu rules, that wasnt a pure brexit deal, it was brexit in name only

we would have been out in march had the tories not voted against brexit...

its just a leaving agreement

the negotiations were to follow




the tories that stopped it by voting against it dont seem very bright


they have blocked brexit

Sep 5, 2019 -- 11:02AM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:

we would have been out in march had the tories not voted against brexit...

disingenuous twaddle

i would be ale to spend my brexit 50p if there was any food in the shops

think youre right juice, sad remoaners

able to

lose the debate and start abuse

lol...

Sep 5, 2019 -- 11:02AM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:

we would have been out in march had the tories not voted against brexit...

jucel69, it is an accurate statement, MV3 lost by 58 votes, 34 Conservatives voted against it, had they voted for it, it would have passed with a majority of 10.

Which part of that is untrue ?

Sep 5, 2019 -- 11:08AM, Angoose wrote:

Sep  5, 2019 -- 11:02AM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:we would have been out in march had the tories not voted against brexit...jucel69, it is an accurate statement, MV3 lost by 58 votes, 34 Conservatives voted against it, had they voted for it, it would have passed with a majority of 10.Which part of that is untrue ?

It's absolutely true 100%.

Sep 5, 2019 -- 11:08AM, Angoose wrote:

Sep  5, 2019 -- 11:02AM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:we would have been out in march had the tories not voted against brexit...jucel69, it is an accurate statement, MV3 lost by 58 votes, 34 Conservatives voted against it, had they voted for it, it would have passed with a majority of 10.Which part of that is untrue ?

It wasn't Brexit, we wouldn't have left if we had voted for that.

Another boring circular argument

its just the leaving agreement

yes circular as you have no grasp of reality

politicspunter 05 Sep 19 10:51 
Most polls are accurate, some incredibly so. You should check them out, it's a licence to print money betting on politics.

Are you using sarcastic font there? Polls are complete rubbish.

Sep 5, 2019 -- 11:35AM, Pete Watermelon wrote:

politicspunter 05 Sep 19 10:51  Most polls are accurate, some incredibly so. You should check them out, it's a licence to print money betting on politics.Are you using sarcastic font there? Polls are complete rubbish.

I am completely serious, I can assure you. I am retired and make a nice hobby income from betting on politics, have done for a few years now.

Sep 5, 2019 -- 11:41AM, politicspunter wrote:

Sep  5, 2019 -- 11:35AM, Pete Watermelon wrote:politicspunter 05 Sep 19 10:51  Most polls are accurate, some incredibly so. You should check them out, it's a licence to print money betting on politics.Are you using sarcastic font there? Polls are complete rubbish.I am completely serious, I can assure you. I am retired and make a nice hobby income from betting on politics, have done for a few years now.

So you did well over the Brexit vote in 2016 then? Polls all stacked the other way. You must be some sort of troll.

Look, You be civil to me and I will be civil to you. The Brexit polls you refer to were not stacked in the favour of any outcome. I personally made it a toss up so backed the outcome that was the biggest price. Here is a link to those polls here....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum

Sep 5, 2019 -- 11:47AM, politicspunter wrote:

Look, You be civil to me and I will be civil to you. The Brexit polls you refer to were not stacked in the favour of any outcome. I personally made it a toss up so backed the outcome that was the biggest price. Here is a link to those polls here....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum

Yeah, so accurate. Suits the agenda for the left. Was the original vote and the European elections not enough to show what the majority of this country want?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/20/polls-stay-eu-yougov-b...

The European elections are used as a protest vote. They were in 2014 and they were this year also. The turnout is abysmal and both the parties that led them ( UKIP and the Brexit Party) have failed to win constituency seats in Parliament.
Hopefully, when you look down the polls in the link I provided earlier you will agree with me that overall there wasn't much in it, basically margin of error stuff.

Leave by 31st now trading 1.29 which is a bit more realistic than 1.43

K Clarke has just come out and said that he can't guarantee that No Deal has been avoided.

Did i hear before the backstabber gove say he would vote for chairman may withdrawal agreement again if it was brought back ?

Yes he did, in a parliamentary committee meeting.

" The Brexit polls you refer to were not stacked in the favour of any outcome. I personally made it a toss up so backed the outcome that was the biggest price. Here is a link to those polls here...."


punter says he uses polls to make a nice income but guessed on the biggest poll in the countrys history, another £2 merchant, the 2016 polls backed a remain landslide hence why remain was 1/10 on the morning of the vote, get your facts straight punter before you start spouting off about makin money from politics, im guessing you backed trump as well to win, joker!!!!!!!!!

labour and conservative members were elected on a manifesto commitmeent to implement the result of the referendum, in the case of the tories, they insisted no deal was better than a bad deal.

yet 21 tory mps voted with the opposition to defeat the govermeant this week, even  though they could usher in a new govermeant led by a leader wanting to campaign on remaining in the eu.

and they have the audacity to claim that they are defending democracy, in their warped looking glass world, somethhing is ony democratic if it conincides with what they want.

people complaining that johnson was unelected yet gordon brown was also unelected and sursprise sursprise they have memory loss when it comes to that

Sep 6, 2019 -- 10:44AM, lord skywalker wrote:

" The Brexit polls you refer to were not stacked in the favour of any outcome. I personally made it a toss up so backed the outcome that was the biggest price. Here is a link to those polls here...."punter says he uses polls to make a nice income but guessed on the biggest poll in the countrys history, another £2 merchant, the 2016 polls backed a remain landslide hence why remain was 1/10 on the morning of the vote, get your facts straight punter before you start spouting off about makin money from politics, im guessing you backed trump as well to win, joker!!!!!!!!!labour and conservative members were elected on a manifesto commitmeent to implement the result of the referendum, in the case of the tories, they insisted no deal was better than a bad deal.yet 21 tory mps voted with the opposition to defeat the govermeant this week, even  though they could usher in a new govermeant led by a leader wanting to campaign on remaining in the eu.and they have the audacity to claim that they are defending democracy, in their warped looking glass world, somethhing is ony democratic if it conincides with what they want.

I know! Have you ever heard so much nonsense in all your life? Absolutely full of $hit!

Sep 6, 2019 -- 10:44AM, lord skywalker wrote:

" The Brexit polls you refer to were not stacked in the favour of any outcome. I personally made it a toss up so backed the outcome that was the biggest price. Here is a link to those polls here...."punter says he uses polls to make a nice income but guessed on the biggest poll in the countrys history, another £2 merchant, the 2016 polls backed a remain landslide hence why remain was 1/10 on the morning of the vote, get your facts straight punter before you start spouting off about makin money from politics, im guessing you backed trump as well to win, joker!!!!!!!!!labour and conservative members were elected on a manifesto commitmeent to implement the result of the referendum, in the case of the tories, they insisted no deal was better than a bad deal.yet 21 tory mps voted with the opposition to defeat the govermeant this week, even  though they could usher in a new govermeant led by a leader wanting to campaign on remaining in the eu.and they have the audacity to claim that they are defending democracy, in their warped looking glass world, somethhing is ony democratic if it conincides with what they want.

skywalker, the polls are there for you to see. There were no polls that showed a remain landslide.  It was a toss up, I backed the biggest price, what don't you understand ? Btw, I did also back Trump. Clinton was ahead in nearly all the polls nationwide but not by much and the electoral college is skewed to favour the winner of certain key states. Trump was the value bet.

defo a £2 merchant, youre not using the polls to bet youre just guessing, you wouldnt of backed remain at 1/10 and  im guessing clinton was very short as well

I do think it is possible we will be out by 31st October.

This mob do not believe or understand what Parliamentary Sovereignty is. They will do whatever they can to ignore laws that think do not apply to them. I would not trust them. I would not rely on the bill that they have passed even if it becomes law to be abided by.

I am convinced the only way to delay Brexit on October 31st is to take control of the Executive and apply for an extension directly.

clinton was 1/8 and remain was 1/10, doesnt take a genius to work out its not worth backing either of them

I didn't back remain at 1/10, I don't back anything at that price. I am a value bettor. I don't expect to win all the time on true toss ups such as the EU referendum but if you back the biggest price, you will win long term.

punter and his remain followers are dreamers and anti democratic who just cant accept that we voted leave

Sep 6, 2019 -- 11:05AM, politicspunter wrote:

I didn't back remain at 1/10, I don't back anything at that price. I am a value bettor. I don't expect to win all the time on true toss ups such as the EU referendum but if you back the biggest price, you will win long term.

Exactly, if you are given 5/4 on the toss of a coin, just keep on backing it.

Sep 6, 2019 -- 11:05AM, lord skywalker wrote:

punter and his remain followers are dreamers and anti democratic who just cant accept that we voted leave

I voted leave as most regular posters on here know. Feel free to check through previous posts to confirm it.

i never said you did back at 1/10, im just saying it doesnt take a genius not to back it, remainers as always twisting my words like parliament does all the time

Sep 6, 2019 -- 11:06AM, Angoose wrote:

Sep  6, 2019 -- 11:05AM, politicspunter wrote:I didn't back remain at 1/10, I don't back anything at that price. I am a value bettor. I don't expect to win all the time on true toss ups such as the EU referendum but if you back the biggest price, you will win long term.Exactly, if you are given 5/4 on the toss of a coin, just keep on backing it.

Unless, of course, Boris is tossing the coin

Sep 6, 2019 -- 11:06AM, Angoose wrote:

Sep  6, 2019 -- 11:05AM, politicspunter wrote:I didn't back remain at 1/10, I don't back anything at that price. I am a value bettor. I don't expect to win all the time on true toss ups such as the EU referendum but if you back the biggest price, you will win long term.Exactly, if you are given 5/4 on the toss of a coin, just keep on backing it.

Spot on.

Sep 6, 2019 -- 11:03AM, Whisperingdeath wrote:

I do think it is possible we will be out by 31st October.This mob do not believe or understand what Parliamentary Sovereignty is. They will do whatever they can to ignore laws that think do not apply to them. I would not trust them. I would not rely on the bill that they have passed even if it becomes law to be abided by.I am convinced the only way to delay Brexit on October 31st is to take control of the Executive and apply for an extension directly.

You said extension. The market I am talking about has an October 31st expiry. Regardless of how we come out (if we come out) deal or no deal, it certainly won't be by the end of October.

For the life of me i cannot understand the nonsense about the referendum 52-48 is not a massive landslide , before cameron called the referendum i do not think it was top of peoples priorities , he only called it because ukip was taking tory votes , sure the Eu is far from from perfect but i think even Margaret Thatcher would not have  called a referendum and i hated most of nearly everything she ever done

Now we have people saying they would rather die in a ditch ffs

in the ditch
in the ditch
in the ditch

Get in Dorris!

The mistake was calling the referendum, it was always a Pandora's Box, and such issues as this are exactly why politicians are elected in the first place.

Sorry Pete,

Did not know you had a bet on it. I don't think we will be leaving by 31st October personally.

I didn't think we would. All these people calling for our Parliament to become Sovereign and free have no idea what they are asking for or even basic mathematic ability. Add to that Dorris throwing away any vestiges of his majority we have a Government who cannot possibly govern. We have an Opposition who until recently could not oppose!

I also have a belief that we may not ashley be leaving the EU.

I think Brexiters are right in their fears. The Remain Camp is not really moving for a fresh referendum for the Country to decide. They may be at face but the real intention is to manoeuvre  the situation that we stay in the EU.

I believe they have learned the lessons of the Dark Arts from Messrs Cumming, Chump, Bannon and Fromage and have been returned with savage spin. The dirty war is currently being lost by Brexit.

Lessons have been learnt

Sep 6, 2019 -- 11:25AM, Whisperingdeath wrote:

Sorry Pete,Did not know you had a bet on it. I don't think we will be leaving by 31st October personally.I didn't think we would. All these people calling for our Parliament to become Sovereign and free have no idea what they are asking for or even basic mathematic ability. Add to that Dorris throwing away any vestiges of his majority we have a Government who cannot possibly govern. We have an Opposition who until recently could not oppose!I also have a belief that we may not ashley be leaving the EU.I think Brexiters are right in their fears. The Remain Camp is not really moving for a fresh referendum for the Country to decide. They may be at face but the real intention is to manoeuvre  the situation that we stay in the EU.I believe they have learned the lessons of the Dark Arts from Messrs Cumming, Chump, Bannon and Fromage and have been returned with savage spin. The dirty war is currently being lost by Brexit. Lessons have been learnt

That's ok mate, I'm all greened up. I want us out. But I don't see it getting done by 31st Oct. The "No" bet on the 31st Oct leave market is bordering on free money.

The mistake was calling the referendum, it was always a Pandora's Box, and such issues as this are exactly why politicians are elected in the first place.


Another catastrophic mistake by a Tory Posh Bullingdon Boy and Eton Rifle!

He nearly gave the Union away and did not learn his lesson. Again personal ambition and Party interests triumphed over the National Interest and fear of Nigel Fromage and Ukip.

With regard to a single issue Referendum

There is a problem here with Parliamentary Democracy and Direct democracy. This has been highlighted by the Brexit Issue. The two do not mix.

What has been highlighted is the need for the people to get the Representatives they want. We have been lazy in the Western Democracies. Candidates have not been scruntinised and brought to book for their shortcomings. Our voting is tribal. Case in point The Labour Party under Brown and Blair did more for Big Business than the people they were elected to represent. They took us into an illegal war with a country that was not responsible for 9/11  that has mired us in sheite ever since!

Yer it's pretty much that, you just can't expect the country to be voting when you've got issues like the union and Irish peace process at stake, it's just a nonsense, it's exactly why representative democracy exists in the first place.

One proviso though Pete is that it is clear the Likes of Cummings and Rees Mogg do not care about what they have to do. The default is out on 31st October. They will do whatever they can even if it is illegal or morally wrong. Nothing can be taken for granted but your money is most probably safe but well done for greening out in any case!

The only money that is political is the Petro Dollar. If you are a country that has it, America wants it. Venezuela, Iran and Iraq!

The problem really with the system is FPTP sucks, basically making it a 2 party system. It also similar to eg. the US system means that many voices are in effect worthless, the ones that matter are those in the marginal seats. The tribal nature doesn't help either, ie. too many people would vote the same way no matter what, things like postal system don't help here as they give a huge edge the two main parties who just target their bases for easy postal votes.

Though for FPTP to change the political landscape would have to change massively, it would have to completely fracture for anyone to agree to change. As it's in favour for all of Tories, Labour, SNP to keep it the way it is right now.

And we are hardly in an atmosphere and culture that could possibly retune itself to some form of PR

Well the whole system would have to change. Eg. over here coalition is seen as a bad thing meaning government gets nothing done, yet in many places coalition is the norm.

The Scottish parliament elects 73 members on a FTTP system and 56 on a PR system.

It was designed to make it nigh on impossible to have a single party with an outright majority, only one of the four parliaments has returned an overall majority for a single party.

I like FPTP

I think it has worked well for us. In this country we do not generally discuss Religion or Politics for obvious reasons. The Civil War destroyed many families and friends.

I certainly hope the Brexit debate does not destroy friendships or families.

I do like the fact that Parliament and our laws are under the microscope. There is so much to lean right now I think it is fantastic!

Suffering from insomnia last night after watching the US Open tennis, I turned over to the Parliament channel.

They were re-running the Lords debate on the Benn bill. There were a number of wise old heads, speaking in a calm and logical manner.
Quite a contrast from the other place.

Here are the peaks and troughs that the two party system delivers

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How do you get balanced debate and policies from the Thatcher era majorities followed by the Blair era majorities ?
Answer is, you don't.

Huge swathes of people feeling that they are not being represented for extended periods of time.
And then we boil down the biggest potential change to the country in to a single Yes or No choice in a simple majority referendum.

You reap what you sow, we have no history of compromise by coalition and we now have social media to deepen and strengthen the divides on a daily basis.

They were re-running the Lords debate on the Benn bill. There were a number of wise old heads, speaking in a calm and logical manner.
Quite a contrast from the other place.

I generally don't like gin swigging old dodderers but the kwality of debate is fantastic and informative

If France did veto an extension, the UK would crash out of the EU on 31 October, unless parliament suddenly approved the divorce deal – or revoked Article 50 altogether.

And the 31st Oct No Leave market finally wakes up, just printed 1.19

It's still free money at that price.

Brexit is problem that cant be solved unless all parties involved are included. May and Boris have made no attempt to bridge the divide the country is very divided and will remain so for a long time.

And there you have it - No Leave 31st October market has now overtaken the No Deal 2019 market. The expiry is more relevant. Surprised it took people so long to realise. I've laid a bit more back below 1.20 in case there's the shock factor.

You'd be advised to be careful on these political markets - the date of May "leaving" was a farce on Betfair - so people on here unfairly stung I noticed.

Remember  Cummings  (i think) said they were prepared to break the law to achieve Brexit. We live is such turbulent times so much so that those who pronounced "Brexit is law" and "Parliament is sovereign" are now saying we are more than prepared to ignore the law and parliament.

Take your profit, be happy and dont be greedy  - (of course, that applies to all markets I suppose, but especially these ones)

*some people*

Sep 6, 2019 -- 5:20PM, Wallflower wrote:

You'd be advised to be careful on these political markets - the date of May "leaving" was a farce on Betfair - so people on here unfairly stung I noticed.Remember  Cummings  (i think) said they were prepared to break the law to achieve Brexit. We live is such turbulent times so much so that those who pronounced "Brexit is law" and "Parliament is sovereign" are now saying we are more than prepared to ignore the law and parliament.Take your profit, be happy and dont be greedy  - (of course, that applies to all markets I suppose, but especially these ones)

Sound advice.