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But I wouldn't be so interested in your opinion since it is clearly implied in your post. I was looking for perhaps a more rounded view.
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*post dates. I didn't look that far back but it is a moot point anyway.
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My post was on the 28th and i123s on the 30th.
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^^^yes
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I am interested in his view because he seems to be even handed from the little I know of him.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgIib_Uj1T4 link seems to be andrew marr
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Don't know what happened but here's the correct link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iucDqo1qOmk |
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Thank you. I have watched it and disagree with both you and 123 to some degree.
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Disagreement is welcome and productive in any debate. Nevertheless, it is blatantly clear Mrs Gina Miller has an agenda and she's being economical with the truth; she is just being pig-headed, attention seeking and and out of her depth. Maybe she is "speaking" on behalf of another entity, if so, please say so. Otherwise, the majority of the electorate of the EU referendum are sick and tired of her self-interest "crusade".
The electorate have spoken, so please allow the appointed and elected politicians to get on with it (hopefully) with a more resounding voice and manner post the General election on 8th June. |
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I am not keen on being pleasant about the issues - some of the opponents of brexit are plain nasty and some are complete liars.
She is on record as saying it had nothing to do with politics and it was a legal issue ONLY when she first opposed. Now she has formed a LIMITED company backed by branson we can see it for what it is. Will it return a profit - will it pay for her expenses. ??? |
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123. Agree she has an agenda and is likely to be disingenuous on that score. But to labour that particular point goes nowhere. I thought the preoccupation with that in the interview was unnecessary, verging on irrelevant.
Pigheaded : perhaps depending on your point of view. Attention seeking : I think that is a leap and lacks evidence. Out of her depth. She certainly didn't look like the politicians that have dodging difficult questioning down to a fine art and so looked less at ease with a professional interviewer of many years standing grilling her. She did however answer him which is more than many MP's do and I give credit for that. Self interested crusade: whatever agenda may be behind this does not change the fact that the government of the day were exposed as trying to bypass the legally correct and right way to go about the business of leaving the EU. At times the criticism (on here) has been of a misogynistic nature and for me the debate is lost immediately by those that go down that road. If ideology becomes more important than legality we will all be in a world of trouble. I try hard to look at the content of what is being suggested and not at who (or why) it is being suggested. |
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If this country wasn't run by namby pambys she'd be thrown into gaol for incitement to thwart the will of the people...she's top of my list of people who should be deported. How someone like her gets away for ages with pretending she's got a law degree is beyond my comprehension.
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If one has only one agenda eg a legal issue in the case of Mr Gina Miller on Brexit, then she must know she needs to come up with a reasonable and logical explanation when challenged otherwise others not conducive her stance can easily pick holes in her argument and they have (convincingly). As a result but she has earned the label of having a self-interest and attention seeking.
The court agreed with her (initially) and subject the government to a parliamentary vote which was taken, and she was defeated. I'd have thought, post this, the matter was done and dusted but instead she's adopted another stance she deemed not political ie a tactical voting - how can she explain that? She may be a lawyer nevertheless, to a lay person it is clearly without a shadow of a doubt it has become political and not just a legal issue anymore; Mrs Miller is 1000% guilty on this! I may be accused of other stuff but misogynistic I certainly am not. I'm very open to differing views with logic and humility. |
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I cannot see how her motives impact on the issue in any way. So again I cannot agree with your reasoning.
The court agreed with the case that was presented not with 'her'. And since a vote alone was the issue to hand how 'she lost' is your conclusion is puzzling. As for tactical voting : this is part of our electoral system (a very poor system buts ours nonetheless). The electorate can support, advocate against or ignore this if they wish. Why she needs to explain that is neither here nor there for me. Guilty ? Well if that is your judgement so be it but it falls firmly into the irrelevant category in mine. I have certainly not accused you of misogyny but one doesn't have to look hard to read it, not least on this thread. |
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She doesnt want Brexit and she has the money and backing to try and do something about it.
I dont think she could be deported as is a British Citizen now. If it makes her feel good about herself let her get on with it. She is obviously used to getting her own way but on this one I think she will be disappointed. |
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IT - I often find myself in agreement with parts of your posts. Your first point I agree with.
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married to money
rich outsider gobbing off and telling the great unwashed how to vote sickening stuff if you can't see that you see nothing but then whats new about most politcoes self serving monsters with little or nothing in common with most voters same as the small number of politicoes in europe trying to stir it and just don't represent anyone but their own pockets hope this helps |
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financed by branson ha ha
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like the 'radical' ex rothschild banker and 5 year french finance guy MACRON
threatening the nasty uk brexiteers they are really running scared of losing the 8.5 billion and the massive trade imbalance haha |
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Macron recently saying the EU has to reform as part of his election comments. Sounds suspiciously like Cameron and more likely that he is trying to steal support from Le Pen with absolutely no intention of believing what he is saying. The french Tony Blair in the making ?
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Just about no chance of serious EU reform.
If the EU cared about reform they would have offered Cameron something. The EU stabbed their so called friend Cameron in the back, then cried when UK told the EU where to go. They just had to offer something - they got 48% of the vote by doing nothing. |
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I agree Mex but the french voters will probably accept that he means it but will find out the hard way that he has no intentions of pushing the matter of reform.
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High up on list of reforms should be cutting CAP spending and end the expensive circus trip to Strassburg.
The French are happy enough to allow this waste of money to continue. The only "reform" EU are interested is in taking more power from member states. |
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01 May 17 15:37 Joined: 01 Jun 01 | Topic/replies: 14,680 | Blogger: treetop's blog Macron recently saying the EU has to reform as part of his election comments. Sounds suspiciously like Cameron and more likely that he is trying to steal support from Le Pen with absolutely no intention of believing what he is saying. The french Tony Blair in the making ? ... This man is is banker and pro-globalist. He is an establishment figure backed by all the pro-EU politicians. Looks like the French are going to fall for it. |