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In or Out, it's irreversible
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A lovely thread that shows our very own village idiot for exactly what he is.
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I think this Brexit is reversible. They are planning for it already. I don't think there is any need for a second referendun but Parliament has to ratify the exit and the deal and that is where I see problems, big problems and possibly a Constitutional crisis of some sort.
MP's have the right to vote how they like even if it goes against the referendum. They would then have to be held account to the public via a General Election. Here's the thing.. what will be the make up of that Parliament. For example what if the Labour Party came out and said the oppose and will reverse a Brexit as they are entitled to do and put it before the people. What if they get elected into form a Government? Plenty of what if's but nothing is set in stone and should be taken for granted. If Parliament votes against the Deal May's Government is negotiating then she will shirley have to go to the Country. If I was against Brexit I would try and cause this sort on calamity / uncertainty. |
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Labour won seats at the last GE by some very small margins. Kensington by 20 votes for example. The UKIP collapse saw 1 million swap from UKIP to Labour. Given they must all be Brexiteers and may already feel uneasy at the various flip flops of position by Labour on Brexit a move as you suggest would surely see almost all of them abandon Labour which would surely spell a wipeout for them.
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It's already bee said that they will vote on the final deal. If parliament rejects the deal then we leave with no deal on WTO terms. No election necessary.
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No not neccess celery Burt.
I think there is a lot of buyers remorse around, fear, not knwoing what we are doing, not being presented with the facts at the referendum. There is a lot of hardening of attitudes too for Brexit and being messed around by the Government, Brussels and having to pay to leave. There are seperate issues at stake too. The type of society we live in.....affordable homes for young people ( not the same as getting on the housing ladder ), cost of education, NHS, affordable housing for all, pay and working conditions, paying a fair share of tax. These are all major issues. For some people Brexit is the be all and end all. Not for everybody. We don't really know where Labour stands or what it stands for and also the Clowns in charge. There is a major sheite storm heading our way and it is going to be confusing. The remoaners know they cannot force a second referendum but I suggest their tack will be to force a Parliamentry vote and that is not clear cut. I believe the Government will fall, ok that is speculation but the vote will be high drama and uncertain of a result. |
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Foinavon,
I think if Parliament rejects the deal the Government must fall. I also wish they would take time explaining how the WTO rules affect us and the potential consequences. I would imagine Brussels will be severely perturbed without a deal and don't see why the pressure seems to be on us. |
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We have to wait and see, Whispering, the deal would have to be better than WTO in order to go to a vote so if the opposition vote against, it will look like cutting off your own nose.
Given the amount of money the EU wants, the only justification for going along would be tariff free trade, there is no other advantage over WTO rules as far as I can see. |
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I think there is a lot of buyers remorse around, fear, not knowing what we are doing, not being presented with the facts at the referendum. There is a lot of hardening of attitudes too for Brexit and being messed around by the Government, Brussels and having to pay to leave.
Excellent whisperer. The rest of the post continues to be ace. Though we have different points of view this is an excellent post. |
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we do have different views melv,
I am not really sure what the consequences will be but then who really does. I find it sad that the debate was stiffled and truth was the victim. The thing I think you need to get your head around is that there are many who would be prepared to face the consequences of withdrawl even though they don't know what they are yet. I still think there will financial and political crises throughout Europe in the short term. We will be part of it but luckily from the outside. We will be affected but there is turmult coming to Europe of 1984 proportions. |
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A lovely thread that shows our very own village idiot for exactly what he is.Grin
My troll Burt dredged up this thread from another year. Sad case. |
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fine if you want to be part of oceania and ruled by the eussr bureaucracy
airstrip one has already gone east |
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Burt dredged up this thread from another year
Only last year.  I can imagine you now hate this thread. Don't fear, we all know why. |
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By the way, everybody - READ MY LIPS, IT'S IRREVERSIBLE!
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unitedbiscuits 19 Jun 16 15:15
This time next week we may have a PM no-one voted for. But that's the outcome of the referendum and it is final. by the same token, if Vote-Leave lose, they have to accept that their agenda is not going to be enacted. Maybe you should stop going mad and accept the flip side of your own coin.  |
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Burt the troll must have a great life. 3 oclock in the morning to post.
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Nice to see Biscuitbrain still running from his own words.
Run sucker - run. |
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Just remember your own words - IT'S IRREVERSIBLE!
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It is a harsh forum that does not allow for a some re-evaluation from year to year. In fact, the poster whose comment Burt bumped is today a committed Brexiteer!(Don't imagine he has changed his opinion about Burt but that is his prerogative.)
Saying it on the forum doesn't make it irreversible, anyway, and many are warming to the idea of the Informed Referendum with each passing week. Don't stay up all night fretting again, troll. |
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Hoist by your own petard I'm afraid.
Keep up all the spiteful insults - it shows perfectly you lot for what you are. LEAVING THE BUILDING  |
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Agree wholeheartedly with Nigel Farage, there must be no second referendum, even if one there is only one vote in it
This time next week we may have a PM no-one voted for. But that's the outcome of the referendum and it is final. by the same token, if Vote-Leave lose, they have to accept that their agenda is not going to be enacted. So sure weren't you. But no longer. You lost, so your certainty has become "re-evaluation". Oh dear. Forget your 2nd ref - not happening. Try embracing our new future, try letting go of all that anger and bitterness. You'll be a better person for it. |
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And why you continue to flatter yourself with this troll malarkey is beyond me. What a plonker.
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And copying some insult which may or may not have been said is irrelevant, not hoist. Double plonker.
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And copying some insult which may or may not have been said..
The author is present on the forum and may or may not wish to qualify the statement. That's his prerogative. Managing your habit of trolling up old threads is not his burden, Burt. Does he contradict himself? Very well he contradicts himself. So what? |
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Irreversible!
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I'm flattered, glad, surprised and - in the end - that Burt06 brought back this thread.
Flattered because he has only been back two days, and already rifling through his file of unitedbiscuits posts. Turns out I've been living rent-free in his head throughout his absence. Glad because he resurrects a serious point - once the Uk is out of the the EU, there can be no return. Welshing on the divorce bill and submitting to the will of American neo-cons will ensure a hostile future with our nearest neighbours. Surprised because Burt06 has form for terrible predictions. I remember him dredging up an old unitedbiscuits post after the '17 GE, only for another poster to bring up, from before the election, a Burt06special: recommending a Tory majority c 1.07 as "the banker of the century." I think he predicts financial meltdown c every 3 months (while he is posting) and has had his money languishing in gold for years. Which basically means that, if you followed my advice and invested in US tech stocks, you can now buy Burt's house! Finally, I am disappointed that Burt's time in the wilderness has not made him a Remainer now. PS: The thread where Burt was reminded of his 1.07 tip and humiliated was deleted hours afterwards. The forum his become much better in leaving posts to stand. If the return of Burt06 coincides with another spate of removed threads, we'll know who to thank. |