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anxious. If Labour dont ditch Corbyn and Mad Mac they will be in real trouble if remain wins Thursday. Of course if they do and replace him with someone credible like Jarvis they will cruise home in 2020.
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You have yet to say, Burton Brewers: are UKIP unveiling the follow-up campaign posters, and what are the slogans?
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UKIP are a one issue party. However, if Remain win by a small majority, I can see some Tories decamping to them, never mind more labour voters. We can see all around the world new parties emerging, sometimes maverick individuals getting or at least coming close to being elected. If we go back only to a little over a year, UKIP polled in excess of 4m votes in the GE. They were expected to do better. Cameron's promise of a referendum over Europe was one factor that drew support back to the Tories.
Anxious, I would find myself agreeing with you on a lot of different points, but I disagree here. I think Farage will benefit out of the inevitable Tory split. The traditional core Labour vote too as I can't see Corbyn having a clear immigration policy that will be deemed sensible by many voters, a point vindicated by his comments earlier today. The immigration question is not going away any time soon and will probably now appear consistently high in most people's concerns. |
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Dotch has touched a nerve here.
Cameron et al would love to see the 'bunch of clowns' (ref Ken Clarke) and 'closet racists' (the PM himself) disappear into the abyss. A Remain vote will see their popularity soar. 4m votes could become 8m in 2020. A Brexit and they will fade. Whatever happens, we're in for some interesting times. |
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Captain Wurzel 19 Jun 16 12:44
Real Deal - Turkey aren't being admitted to the EU. then why are they a candidate country? dhead They may be a candidate country burt but they ain't getting in and you know it. |
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Perhaps LEAVE supporters should reflect on what the Labour party has to face every election when the Tories and their friends spread their poison about Labour and uses fear and character assaination on every Labour leader bar Blair
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Dont worry anxious with Corbyn and Mac at the top theres no need for character assassination. The truth will do just fine.
You wait until Farage starts telling people in poor Labour areas MacDonnell doesnt believe in national borders at all and thinks anyone should have the right to move to wherever they please. That will go down well im certain. |
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Very good point, anxious. The treatment of Corbyn since he has been elected a good example, Milliband before him. Dotchnite has a point though as well. Immigration is going to be used more and more, in elections down the line.
The party that wins the hearts and minds of the electorate on immigration will either hold power or at the very least, be in a position to share it. |
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Just seen that Kinnock spawn (Stephen) on Sky news.
I would have thought that he would have enough EU cash in his inheritance already.But surprisingly he is still a big Fan of the EU. Every other sentence was mentioning Jo Cox as his best friend etc.But everything else that he said was just Bile,Evil Rhetoric & saying that we should discuss immigration,But then Demonising anyone that dare mention the subject. Don't know whether I am disgusted or confused. |
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I agree that immigration is a big issue and it needs tackling but its not the be all and end all , the tories especially Cameron and Gideon have hid behind the brexit fear that the NHS will be underfunded when they are the very people hell bent on killing it.
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You're just confused Real Deal.
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I disagree with Jeremy on the immigration debate I do not understand why he keeps defending the current position.
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Most Labour voters indeed all people living in the poorer working class areas do think its a big issue that cannot be denied
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Perhaps LEAVE supporters should reflect on what the Labour party has to face every election
I understand that anx but you do get a shot at it every 5 years, if the country votes remain on Thursday that is it the EU will see to it you never get another go. |
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If mainstream politicians in Britain and the EU dont get a grip on immigration the issue will destroy them.
Corbyn is going to do nothing for Labour except lead the party into the abyss. McDonnell is even worse. |
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That's because it is,Big Style.
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Why can't it just be an issue of the pure mathematics,nothing more ?.
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Cameron has failed to outline his plans for a possible Brexit.
Corbyn could have done that but hasn't. Basically, they're both in denial that WE the people could possibly oppose them. Says it all really. |
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the EU will see to it you never get another go.
I think you overestimate the power of the EU - we can hold a referendum every year if we want or if UKIP get in at Westminster they could take Britain out without a ref. How do you think the EU can stop it ? |
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anxious - I respect the concerns of ordinary people who feel they have done nothing wrong yet are wrong-footed by progress. But it is a lie that voting for Leave will protect them. It won't, unless you set yourself up against the internet.
Can we all agree on this forum that we don't want to curb the internet? I hope so. |
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I don't understand why whoever is in power says no we cannot take anymore , this country is a very tolerant and generous country but we have created more problems and strife with the amount of migrants/ refugees coming in.
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How long is before a migrant/ refugee stays in Britain, Germany or France before they can become citizens of that country?
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Cameron struggling tonight
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You'd post that whatever was said - you've got one eye - and that dont see too well
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unitedbiscuits 19 Jun 16 12:08
Agree wholeheartedly with Nigel Farage, there must be no second referendum, even if one there is only one vote in it. That's not you are saying now you lost, is it? |
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unitedbiscuits 19 Jun 16 15:24
In the event of Remain, we need to terminate the political careers of Gove, Johnson, IDS and Grayling. Cameron has the wrong approach completely, with regard to the blacklegs in his Party; he should recognize that it is a fight to the death between Leave and the Remainers, and act accordingly: club down the mother****s if he gets the chance, before they do it to him. Good idea. But given the result we must do the opposite now. |
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unitedbiscuits 19 Jun 16 12:08
Agree wholeheartedly with Nigel Farage, there must be no second referendum, even if one there is only one vote in it.  |
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When my information changes, I alter my conclusions.
Boris Johnson promised that his voters would see the UK economy perform like a Nike tick - a short dip followed by a spectacular upturn. In truth, the currency has continued to flatline after the biggest recorded one day fall last 24th June, and living standards are forecast to be suppressed for a decade or more. Among the G20, only Brazil is growing more slowly than the UK. Our children are falling further behind the attainment prospects of French and Germans, and risk being labelled the "Inselaffen" of the 21st century. Because 29% of the population hadn't thought it through. Leave was presented to many as a "free shot" vote - I suspect Cambridge Analytica had the list of PPI and whiplash claimants and targeted them with the equivalent of a "no win, no fee" bid - with no warning of the dire consequences they are now beginning to see. We cannot abandon our country to the xenophobes, the asset strippers, the Little Englanders and the stupid. So Remain looks set to continue for the foreseeable future. I suppose if the EU themselves told the UK we can't come back, that would be the end. I accept that. |
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Democracy according to UB
If remain wins by one vote, that it we remain, end of. If leave win by over a million votes that not good enough and needs to be overturned.  |
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*that's
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It's quite rare for me to read the forum these days but when I do you can be sure that unitedbiscuits is been hung out to dry. I think he must be a sadist or something.
It was irreversible but since he lost it no longer is. Please, you're humiliating yourself. |
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brexiteers nature tends to incline them to treat people well, and to be helpful and so forth
some disgraceful comments from biscuits here , but he is a remainer and I suppose we shouldn't be surprised. |
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funded by the 350 million euro propaganda department
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....see you in the next forty years, when all the 'no' voters have died off and we have to signup to using the Euro for punishment for rejoining the e.u.
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What an hilarious bit of history that would be,not exactly a long shot either as most of the no voters will probably be gonje in 25 years..
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40 years is quite a long time , that's the future to me the present seems of greater value
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when you have a present you forget to even think about the future, maybe that's the betterbetters problem
I don't know |
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Foinavon • November 24, 2017 11:30 AM GMT
[b]Democracy according to UB If remain wins by one vote, that it we remain, end of. If leave win by over a million votes that not good enough and needs to be overturned.{/b}CrazyLaugh Thanks Foin, that made me chuckle :D |
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Democracy according to UB
If remain wins by one vote, that it we remain, end of. If leave win by over a million votes that not good enough and needs to be overturned.CrazyLaugh |