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19 Jun 16
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Agree wholeheartedly with Nigel Farage, there must be no second referendum, even if one there is only one vote in it. Even though Boris Johnson hopes a leave mandate could be used to blackmail the EU for better terms, the EU have already ruled that out completely. Every vote counts and everyone should vote. Happily, the weather forecast for Thursday is good, which should encourage a high turnout.
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Does anyone know the other countries that will be admitted into the EU other than Turkey.Also there populations ?.These will all have free movement.
Also will they be contributers or beneficiaries of EU funds ?. |
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Real Deal - Turkey aren't being admitted to the EU.
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The word is irrelevant not irreversible. The EU is dying and either we leave after the referendum or we leave when the whole thing implodes.
It certainly wont last long enough for Turkey to get close to joining. |
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Albania, Macedonia, Bosnia, Montenegro, Serbia, Ukraine do you seriously think any of them will be net contributors?
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Nothing would surprise me.
I'm sure the Irish people felt it was a one-off when they voted on the Lisbon Treaty. However once the votes had been counted ............ |
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Turkey are being considered.I understand that they have lots of Hoops to jump through etc.But I do think though that with there ability to play a big part with the Greece crossings of migrants etc that the position of the EU could quite easily change things.
But forgetting Turkey.Albania ,Serbia etc.Are close to joining in the next decade.I was just wondering about the figures & there potential for positive or negative points to the EU & obviously the UK. Population numbers etc are important with regards to the free movement issue & EU Budget contributions.Especially with the soon to be released figures of the alleged 20 billion Black hole in the EU Finances. Please do not shoot this down with the usual chants of Radical,Racist etc etc. It is a valid question,that I do not know.I am just trying to understand the figures etc.As it isn't really a major issue in this debate.Is that because of it being not important or just not being highlighted because it's not going to be a good thing. |
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Dotchinite - Vote Leave makes a kind of sense if cripples the EU, I don't agree with the aim but see the advantage. Such a strategy underestimates the political will of France and Germany seriously. Those old enough to remember the ERM crisis will remember that the European Bank did not offer the same protection to Sterling when speculators were betting against it, and the bitterness is still felt by Lawson. The pact between France and Germany is the cornerstone of either country's policy for the last seventy years, born out of two world wars and would survive even the collapse of the EU, I'm sure. And France/Germany together will always be stronger economically than the UK.
Undoubtedly, Brexit would hurt their economies, but not so much as ours. Taking them down with us? It's a double-gamble doomed to failure. |
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UB. The EU is dying with or without Brexit. All a leave vote does is potentially bring that date forward.
Unless the rulers completely change course (which they wont) its going to end very badly. Theres strong anti EU feeling across the continent and a rise of extreme groups.This is only going to increase year by year and the next recession will be ruinous for places such as Italy whilst they are in the Euro. Its all shaping up for a chaotic collapse and whether the trigger is a major terrorist attack, a recession, a gradual public uprising through a lack of action on immigration or the election of Le Pen or an equivalent who knows but it has to happen. |
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Just check Wiki For populations in those countries.
Albania = 3,500,000. Macedonia = 2,000,000. Bosnis = 4,000,000. Montenegro = 626,000. Serbia = 7,600,000. Ukraine = 46,000,000. So there could be another nearly 64 million people in the next Decade with free movement within the EU. Surely as this is equivalent to the Entire population of the UK. It is only 10 million less than the population of Turkey. Also I cannot see a single country in this list that will be a nett contributor to the EU Purse. I just wonder why,as this is a vote for the future of the UK & the whole of the EU.That this is not any part of the discussion. |
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Nothing "has to happen," if we apply the will to overcome the problems. Walking away from them won't help.
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UB. The will of the people has no effect on the officials who run Europe .
Not sure how the will of the people will prevent continued terrorism from people that the majority never wanted here or the collapse of a currency that was clearly flawed from day one. This referendum shows how split the population is. If remain wins will Cameron make the slightest attempt to deal with the serious concerns of millions of people or just continue to ignore them. I think we both know the answer to that. The only way Europe can work is if it was run in a truly democratic way otherwise its doomed. |
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This time next week we may have a PM no-one voted for. But that's the outcome of the referendum and it is final. by the same token, if Vote-Leave lose, they have to accept that their agenda is not going to be enacted.
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Yes but in the real world if support for Brexit is 49% and it grows over the next few years there will be either a second referendum or a main party will pledge to leave in an election manifesto.
Just like Scotland where immediately afterwards everyone said that's it for a generation and then within weeks the tone changed if remain win closely nothing will change other than Farage and UKIP will be strengthened and Labour in particular will be damaged. |
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In the event of Remain, we need to terminate the political careers of Gove, Johnson, IDS and Grayling. Cameron has the wrong approach completely, with regard to the blacklegs in his Party; he should recognize that it is a fight to the death between Leave and the Remainers, and act accordingly: club down the mother****s if he gets the chance, before they do it to him.
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If it's a nose, a short-head or three lengths, a result is a result. That's what is great about the referendum, there's no grey area, every vote counts, and it's the only chance in our lifetimes to determine the outcome.
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Have you ever visited planet earth?
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ub - the grass roots of the tory party won't just go away. They will select Leave supporting candidates making the tories the party of leave.
Either that or the voters will vote UKIP, splitting the tory vote ending in a Corbyn Government. |
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Whatever the outcome, there will be a big change in the makeup of the tories in the coming years.
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Agree Shab - The Conservative Party has to be for or against the EU just as they have committed to the Union, or not.
Cameron really frustrates me because he thinks he can win the vote and preserve Party unity. Impossible. Politics is not a mattress-sport. You have to kill those mother****s before they kill you. Except Williams Cash and Rees-Mog; Cameron can kill them just by smiling on Friday. |
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Great point UB
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Like it or not they speak for half the country on this. The idea Cameron can axe them is frankly bizarre.
Shab may be right about some Tories voting UKIP and and a remain vote is sure to see big UKIP gains at Labours expense until they ditch Corbyn as he just hasnt a clue about immigration and he will be poison at the next election in lots of labour seats. It has me wondering whether Farage himself really wants a Brexit vote as a narrow defeat on this could be massively positive for UKIP going forward. |
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UKIP are a one issue party they will fade away soon
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That issue will get bigger and bigger. Its pretty much dominated this referendum.
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Captain Wurzel 19 Jun 16 12:44
Real Deal - Turkey aren't being admitted to the EU. then why are they a candidate country? dhead unitedbiscuits 19 Jun 16 15:24 In the event of Remain, we need to terminate the political careers of Gove, Johnson, IDS and Grayling. spoken like a true EUSSR disciple |
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A real sweet old War Vet just rang into LBC.
He said that staying in the EU was just like us rolling a Dice. D was for Democracy. I was for Independence. C was for Change. E was for Economy. Wise Words ?  |
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D was for Democracy.
I was for Independence. C was for Change. E was for Economy. |
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Burt - Turkey's welcome in to the EU hinges on passing 35 EU examinations; taking thirty-years to get to second-base gives readers a clue. Over 18? Not in your lifetime!
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Greece had a few issues getting membership too.
They got around it by getting the EU to pay for Goldman Sachs to buy a huge rug and a massive brush. That worked out so well for them. |
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Seems like the Greeks prefer the EU to being speculators' chew-toy.
That's democracy! |
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Not if the EU radically changed it's criteria.Which with Turkeys immigration Card to keep playing for a long time.The 6 billion that they will receive from the EU as well.Where will that money be found in there ever shrinking Budget.I guess some will come out of our Rebate.
They are going to probably give them Visa Free Travel within Schengen really soon.Does that bring them evermore closer.Because it does mean that Turks can come to most of Europe (Schengen).They can then move around most of Europe unchallenged. We would not ever offer free Visa movement to Pakistan would we for obvious reasons. |
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UKIP are a one issue party they will fade away soon
repeating this b0ll0cks again anx? we have more policies than you have insults you spiv |
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Burton your dream looks like being defeated on the 23rd
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One chance your boys had and im afraid you've made an Horlicks of it
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that's ok my life will go on
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Like I mentioned before the best thing to come out of this farce anyway is that the tories are now pure toxic whichever side loses the scars will be there for 20 years
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perhaps they will I'm not bothered but they'll never vote for Corbyn
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Remain did get an extra 2 days extra to carry on campaigning quite disgracefully,while Brexit observed the time to respect & Reflect the Murder of Jo Cox.
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Perhaps not , but hang on burton UKIP claimed to have taken a lot of Labour voters they will return to Labour because they know who will fight and defend them when the chips are down
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Certainly not a few has-been tories
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