Sunday Times poll today

40 Labour MPs sent home from Westminster - Cameron will be in tears & bricking it.

Cameron  the  cause   of the break up Britain
will be force to  resign by his own MPs



Lord North

with mr salmond in bed with the high street bookmakers,scotland could well be the next to ban on line gambling,to create more jobs on the high streets of scotland,with many new betting shop jobs being created,there will also be 1000's of new highly skilled positions created for fobt technicians,the future's bright vote yes.

will salmond  deliver a 'caring' society or a totalitarian one.

I think the latter

will tweedlelab ever win an election in England again?

One poll out of 5678 shows a minimal lead and people are creaming themselves over it.

One poll out of 5678 shows a minimal lead and people are creaming themselves over it.

Scotland have the right to self determination

but I do wonder if this referendum was necessary, about half of Scotland want to stay with us
and I hardly think this splitting up is going to be of any use

I think Cameron is a seriously bad leader, the worst I have ever known, if they vote yes this appalling


still if this don't persuade them to vote no, I don't know what will
scotland could well be the next to ban on line gambling

I thought gay marriage was insane

but to allow the break up of the UK, countries go to war to stop themselves breaking up
this could be one of the worst things ever to happen to us

If most Scots really wanted to go, and desperately pushing for it, then I could understand this
but is this case?

But if most were not bothered, this makes no sense

I can only think Cameron wants this break up
I think it may be Tory ideology to completely dismantle our society?????????????????????????

will salmond  deliver a 'caring' society or a totalitarian one

A stupid post. When the people in Scotland votes Yes they will then decide what sort of Government they want not Salmond.

If most Scots really wanted to go, and desperately pushing for it, then I could understand this
but is this case?

The trouble is that more people living in Scotland now seem to prefer to live in an independent Scotland than remain in England. You only have to look at the right wing nature of England and its Thatcherits, neo con mentality to see why. Scotland has (ever since the Thatch took over and did a few nasty things such as sack loads of Scottosh miners, ship builders and many other workers and experiment on the Scottish nation by trying out the odious poll tax on Scotland first) been pretty much a tory free zone. First they threw their hands in in increasing numbers with Labour. But labour has changed from the party Scotland voted for. It was labour under Blair who decided Scotland should have a load more nukes (son of trident) dumped there. It was labour (albeit with Tory backing) who continued the tory deregulation of the banks. It was labour under blair who started the privatization of the NHS in Englsnd and Wlaes. It was labour who took the UK into an illagal war in Iraq and splattered their civilians with depleted uranium. It was labour who sucked up to GW Bush, an imbecilic far right wing nutter; and it is now labour who have promised to match the benefits cuts introduced by the tories.

The people of Scotoland have not moved away from the rest of the UK. It is the rest of the UK that has increasingly moved to the right and away from the progressive liberal and caring society that most people living in Scotland want to see. The consequences for England is that their preference  overall for right wing poliiticians is that they are likely to be about to lose the place they like to dump all their nukes in and lose all the revenues (billions every year) from the oil and gas revenues.

Cameron and Greasy are certainly bricking it. Certainly one, possibly both will lose their jobs if Scotland votes Yes. Cameron will go down forever in history as the man who was in charge when the UK broke up. he will forever be an ironic hero in Scotland and despised in every unionist house in England.

"Anybody who used as many aliases as you claim would indeed be seriously mentally ill. So yes you are right that one of us is mentally ill."


yup, i couldn't have said it better myself,
one on us is seriously mentally ill

no plans for sunday either, oirish?

what a shame

ExremeX

you and the eeternalklart/mexico/paddletoe are ruining the forum with you petty arguments. You might enjoy slagging off the cretin, but in doing so all the time you are genuinely spoiling the forum for everyone else.

Why not set up a single thread so you and the nutter can slaggg eachother off to you heart's delight and leave others alone?

Ed Milliband

Border Guards

walofs

and a poll just carried out on betfair politics results in 100% of people surveyed believing Melenaus is away with the fairies.

etternalklart/paddletoe/mexico liar

do everyone a favour and get a nice thread for you and your sparring partner so you can stop ruining this site for everyine else with you hatred.

On a more serious note I think the yes campaign are gaining momentum.

Cot scotland has never voted for progressive liberalism you post is a load of sh!te.there are 5 liberal mps in the scottish parliament at the moment, what is the basis of such a factually inacurate wildly nonsensical statement.
Have you hit the buckie a bit early today?

Melonanus is away with ahole hunter and mac?

Cot scotland has never voted for progressive liberalism you post is a load of sh!te.there are 5 liberal mps in the scottish parliament at the moment, what is the basis of such a factually inacurate wildly nonsensical statement.
Have you hit the buckie a bit early today

Why do you choose to post such untruth flush? And of course do so with ignorant abuse about "Buckie and sh!te".

Scotland has been far more progressive and liberal (small L) in its voting than England since the 1980's. So much so that in most general elections now there are hardly any Tory MP's elected in Scotland at all. Saying that this is not true is to deny basic facts.

If the Yes vote wins I will bare my backside at Anfield during the half time interlude.

Turkeys don't vote for Christmas.

Scotland has voted mostly Labour until the rise of Scotnat which is much farther left than Labour has ever been. No sane business that can move will stay under a socialist Govt.

will this 'late swing' to the 'yes' bunch rile up the 'no' bunch, and make them more likely to vote?

conspiracy

This is possible but nobody actually knows. 

At the moment and with Greasy's latest attempt to bribe the Scots with last minute panic promises bound to backfire, it really looks as if the YES may have it.

You can still lay the No vote at 4/9. I cashed in my profit ages ago as I was never convinced the Yes would or could do it. I was too cowardly and should have led out. There is still a profit to be made in the referenduom arket by betting on yes or against No.

No sane business that can move will stay under a socialist Govt. Business tends to be apolitical in temrs of where it is based. The political hue of Scotland is noy likely to be important when Scotland has a coprporation tax rate of a couple of points lower than the one in the rest of the UK.

With respect Cryofthetruth I think your vocal opinions on here sum up the fact that the yes campaigners will be shouting loudest while the no voters will probably still be the more silent majority. I was in Glasgow for a week and there was more visible and vocal support for the yes vote over the no vote. But the no voters are always going to be less vocal and public in their views.

If these polls are correct why is a No vote still the overwhelming favourite ?

Could it be that in the privacy of a polling booth the canny Scots will vote with their wallets and not their hearts ?

I agree with that concern and would still have "No" as favourite personally. However No has moved from being a 1/10 on favourite to about a 1/2 favourite now; and plenty of them get beat.

If Cameron fears a yes vote then what about Miliband?
He got 41 Scottish labour MPs at the last election and would lose all he gets at the next election.
The Tories have got one Scottish MP.

A yes vote would hit Labour very hard indeed.

Why hasn't cryoftruth mentioned that?

Cryoftruth's glee as a Labour supporter in witnessing Cameron's discomfort over a yes vote, smacks of cutting off his nose to spite his face.

Nothing I have ever said would suggest I am a labour supporter. You are just an old fool Crappen.

Nothing I have ever said would suggest I am a labour supporter.

Lol.

You must be off your rocker then.

Bringing Gordon Broon in to help Alistair Darling must be the biggest boost yet to the Yes campaign. I can't think of 2 more loathsome and discredited politicians to wheel out. They managed to bankrupt the country in about 2 years after Blair stepped down.

you wont be free Cry baby

you will simply be a vassal state of the european union

why didn't you have a referendum on that

and if you got it wrong first time

well, you could just keep voting until you got it right

ha ha

Conduct the same poll on every single forum on betfair and I tell you what there would be a far bigger majority than 51-49 in favour of Scottish independence in every single one of them. Just saying.

Gamblers mentality does not represent the mean average though paddletoe. Just saying.

If most Scots really wanted to go, and desperately pushing for it, then I could understand this
but is this case?

But if most were not bothered, this makes no sense

I can only think Cameron wants this break upCrazyCrazy
I think it may be Tory ideology to completely dismantle our society?????????????????????????

The SNP won the election for the scottish parliament with a promise of a referendum. Cameron wasn't really in a position to deny this. You could argue that he should have been more prominent in the campaign but the labour lads thought he was a negative.

Dougie Alexander and Darling have led the campaign. 90% of tories support the union it is the labour voters who are switching sides.

Gamblers mentality does not represent the mean average though paddletoe. Just saying.

Gabrial, you mean your own mentality there don't you?

Do you know where you are Crippen? do you need your nurse to slowly explain to you! BETFAIR

I accept your point AG but I think you would also get the same result on mumsnet.
Most people find the economic arguments put forward by both sides as confusing and pretty marginal. Surely a referendum on independence is more a vote on the type of social values the Scottish people want and the control they have over those values. I personally cant find any argument which convinces me that Scotland should stay part of the union with Britain.

I think the yes campaign should put their whole focus now on the social values issue. The labour party can hardly oppose them on that issue.

Gabrial.
All I suggested is how can you possible speak for other people and you hit the roof straight away.

Have you got a problem with gambling as well as your other weakness?

I agree paddletoe. Scotland's prosperity over the next generations should be driven by the Scots. Relying on their own merits and efforts is surely the way any people would want history to judge them? If the Scots fail miserably then that will be their fault and if they succeed then the credit would belong to them.

Have you got a problem with gambling as well as your other weakness?

We all gamble on here Crippen, or are you here for the company?

I see Gabrial, and exactly as I suspected.

I see Gabrial, and exactly as I suspected.

I will go easy on you Crippen, any elderly person on here just for the company has my sympathy.

I'm here for your money Angel.

Your not having it back Larry.

Gabrial's no winning gambler - he hasn't got the temperament for it.

He gets worked up too easily.

Three posts and he's letting fly with both barrels from his pop-gun.

I am only conversing with you because you are lonely Crippen, you have my sympathy.

Just watching Mr Broon making a pitch to be the first prime minister of Scotland. Perefect for them.

Tomorrow's poll is out now, online :

http://tns-bmrb.co.uk/uploads/files/TNSUK_SOM2014Sep9_DataTables.pdf



Summary : Yes has caught up. It's now 50/50

Fair play to the dear departed Gus who tipped up a yes vote at a biggish price. He had better judgement than me. I would not have put stolen money on a yes vote at the same time Gus was tipping a yes vote up.

Perhaps we should wait for the result before garlanding gus.

eeternal/paddletoe

it must be a real pain logging in and out under your different names. Why do you bother?

He uses his wife`s account for paddletoe, his and her laptops, all you need is a swivel chair. Well you don`t even need a swivel chair but if you surrounded yourself with laptops a swivel chair would be of great benefit.

Why would anybody bother? They would either need to be quite mad or have a serious lack of confidence in their ability to debate an issue.

Irrespective of our political differences do I strike you as either of those?

Given the proposed timescale for developments in the event of a Yes vote, we could easily have two general elections in a short space of time.

Labour could easily gain a narrow majority next year, only to have no mandate once the Scottish MPs are repatriated.

agreed jed.

The more you think about it the more it becomes clear this whole escapade has been organised on the back of a cigarette packet.

England regards Scotland as a feckless economic basket case full of dependency junkies.

Why are you in such a panic to keep us?

We're not.

did this name come out of hat at this hour, oirish,
or was it his turn in the rotation to post?


going from name to name
glued to the chair from early morning
until 330am the next day every day
must seem like an eternity to you

yup, you got it, ONE of us has serious
mental illness issues

When you can't reason a person out of a delusional that's a pretty clear sign Melly. There are others who can probably verify what I'm about to post but off the top of my head I'd say Crippen would probably be best placed to comment on this seeing as he's one of the few you accept as being distinct from myself.

Crippen will probably remember that I began posting on the forum originally as Eternaloptimist around 2004/05. I've rarely been anything other than a regular poster since that time. Yet here you are suggesting that I had an account as Room0182 almost since the inception of Betfair in 2001 and yet there are 416 posts?

Does it seem logical to you that I would have an account between 2001 and 2004/05 and yet not post with it until I actually did in reality open a Betfair account around 2004?

Well Melly does it?

Or would you prefer to do you Jazz hands for us again?

Go on sucker. Let rip with a full on meltdown. You know you want to. I'm off the bed now for a good old sleep. I trust you'll be posting again at 06.00 in the morning?

That would depend if his medication has worn off.

He posted a few weeks back that if he's not asleep by 2-41 a.m. there's something wrong.

WAC