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03 Jul 13
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Lady Thatcher was a methodist. One of the first unions was formed by Methodists -
'Loveless and five fellow workers – his brother James, James Hammett, James Brine, Thomas Standfield and Thomas's son John – were charged with having taken an illegal oath. But their real crime in the eyes of the establishment was to have formed a trade union to protest about their meagre pay of six shillings a week – the equivalent of 30p in today's money and the third wage cut in as many years.'
the tolpuddle martyrs were sent to a penal colony in Australia for seven years. 800,000 people signed a petition to commute this sentence and some were returned. Some died in Australia.
Now LABOUR is getting flack from being too cosy with the unions. Really? Have they now become Tory Light? Is that the choice on offer today... to be ashamed of the working rights of man. In a world were half of the population of the world gets by on less than a dollar a day. Workers now ask permission to strike through the courts. Where is the working man's spirit? where is the Labour party? what do they stand for today?
Vote Blue or Red. That is what you get today. There is no difference. Just a different face at the counter to serve you every five years. Men where jailed and killed to gain working rights and now they bargain those rights away in the back rooms of whitehall. Going backward is the new forward thinking. New Labour.
'Loveless and five fellow workers – his brother James, James Hammett, James Brine, Thomas Standfield and Thomas's son John – were charged with having taken an illegal oath. But their real crime in the eyes of the establishment was to have formed a trade union to protest about their meagre pay of six shillings a week – the equivalent of 30p in today's money and the third wage cut in as many years.'
the tolpuddle martyrs were sent to a penal colony in Australia for seven years. 800,000 people signed a petition to commute this sentence and some were returned. Some died in Australia.
Now LABOUR is getting flack from being too cosy with the unions. Really? Have they now become Tory Light? Is that the choice on offer today... to be ashamed of the working rights of man. In a world were half of the population of the world gets by on less than a dollar a day. Workers now ask permission to strike through the courts. Where is the working man's spirit? where is the Labour party? what do they stand for today?
Vote Blue or Red. That is what you get today. There is no difference. Just a different face at the counter to serve you every five years. Men where jailed and killed to gain working rights and now they bargain those rights away in the back rooms of whitehall. Going backward is the new forward thinking. New Labour.
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Nearly all of todays so called Labour politicians do NOT know the history and reasons why the unions
came into being, they just join a particular political party and do not owe ANY allegiance to the party chosen, E. MILLIBAND is a typical example, but I will bet that he knows the history of his religion from back to front, he is SUPPOSED to represent the MAJORITY of the population and that is what a democracy is meant to be, also to help those who are disabled or have mental issues which disqualifies them from doing a worthwhile job!!!! I EXPECT the majority to be exploited by Tories and their supporters, because for centuries they have believed that they were superior human beings, just like HITLER did. It is time that we had an ENGLISH summer, as has happened in the middle east recently. |
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Yes it has worked wonders in Egypt and Syria.
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Honesty is the missing commodity in Britain, what went wrong when MP'S at least tried to be honest?
Before you bleat your particular mantra, DOTCHINITE, I blame THATCHER AND HER TOTAL ABSOLUTE DISHONEST START TO THIS GREAT NATIONS DECLINE!!!!! |
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What has always puzzled me regarding unions and the labour movement, is why different sets of employment conditions have been allowed to go unchallenged for decades.
I'm referring to the staggering difference in the conditions of employment between staff and workers. Why should a person who works in an office get full pay if they are off sick, when most factory workers and building workers skilled or otherwise only get the government pittance? Civil servants get six months off on full pay, followed by another six months off on half pay. Then at Christmas they rub salt into the wound by handing out turkeys for the staff along with a party, and give the workers zilch. I can never understand why workers quietly but resentfully put up with this. Does it happen abroad? If not it would go a long way towards explaining why foreign manual workers are generally harder working than our home bred people. |
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Of course not all companies operate like the examples I've given above, but most of them do that I'm aware off.
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Distancing the Labour Party from the Unions was started by reptile Blair. His few remaining disciples want to finish it off.
So then we have a three Party system where the parties are funded by Hedge Fund Managers, Private health companies, and bankers. Our vote and opinion counts for fk. all as it is; once we reach that stage the vote will be worth the cube root of fk. all. |
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I think the unions should exercise their democratic rights cut all ties to Labour and start another party to represent their interests.
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have to agree eo, can't understand why so many unions still support labour. I am surprised they haven't channelled their funds to a party who represent their views or created one.
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perhaps they could become New Labour
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They formed one then, the Blair boys and girls took over to transform it into another Centre-Right party that courted the City for financial backing, and danced to the required tune.
We now have three of them. Two are in coalition, and the other one is a pss poor job of providing opposition. Come back Guy Fawkes. |
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Miliband suffers from the same malaise that BLAIR did, BLAIRS father started out as a communist then became a socialist and ended up as a Conservative councillor, BLAIR decided to hoodwink the socialist electorate by calling his party NEW labour, his lying still is reported by mostly right wing media who have recognised a TORY no matter what name he chooses to go under, there should be a law of imprisonment for lying to the the HOUSE OF COMMONS, that is where BLAIR SHOULD BE, IN PRISON.
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Does bazzar not see the irony in his support for the unions and his support for open immigration which has destroyed the British worker.
The only party prepared to stand up for the a british worker is UKIP. |
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SUNDAY MIRROR, Prescott claims to have resigned from the PRIVY COUNCIL in an attempt to paint himself whiter than white and
all round good guy, this bozo helped Blair and the kweer peer at every opportunity, never once did he consider if he was doing the right thing but went on with his eyes wide open to fleece the electoral population, because of his support we now have a totally dishonest coalition causing more damage to the poorest of the electorate, thanks a lot FATTY!!!!!!!! WILDMANFROMBORNEO, not in favour of immigration???????? |
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wildmanfromborneo
08 Jul 13 14:36 Joined: 30 Nov 10 | Topic/replies: 10,645 | Blogger: wildmanfromborneo's blog Does bazzar not see the irony in his support for the unions and his support for open immigration which has destroyed the British worker. The only party prepared to stand up for the a british worker is UKIP. It is not as ironic as UKIP saying they are a freemarket libertarian party and at the same time trying to restrict the free movement of labour and imposing their social policies upon many unwilling groups of people. You can allow free movement of people if employers were not allowed to undercut the prevailing wages and conditions of British workers with immigrant workers. It happens for example in Italy where it is very hard to sack people and there are consequently less jobs for new entrants/immigrants. So there are various ways of protecting British workers apart from simply closing our borders as UKIP implies. |
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What you call free movement of people seems to me a takeover of a once proud nation and a sad demise of a noble culture and civilisation.
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ditching your history isn't a good starting point
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wildmanfromborneo
09 Jul 13 10:55 Joined: 30 Nov 10 | Topic/replies: 10,651 | Blogger: wildmanfromborneo's blog What you call free movement of people seems to me a takeover of a once proud nation and a sad demise of a noble culture and civilisation. Well it is the people of that same once proud nation who went all over the world invading and extolling the benefits of freemarkets and free movement of people by immigrating and encouraging it within their empire/colonies!!! They helped in the demise of other noble cultures so why should our cultures not be subject to the same fate as those others? The nation seems to be following to the letter that old biblical adage of reaping whatever it sows. |
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There is something terribly sad about Boris the Animals post,its a perfect example of what's gone wrong.
Everything is of its time and Britain civilised and brought order to huge parts of the world,rather than be proud of this noble history Boris is ashamed,not only ashamed but so full of self loathing that he seems to glory in the destruction of a fine civilisation,his own. The other sad aspect is that this wrong view of history is being thought up and down England,English culture is denigrated and inferior cultures promoted. I was sickened watching Blair apologising for slaveryAmritsar and a host of other things he had nothing to do with it but not apologising for all the things he was responsible for mainly a bogus war and the deliberate destruction of the British way of life and culture. |
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Thought should read taught in the first line of third paragraph.
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You are welcome to admire and be proud of our ancestor's imperialism and genocide for all you like but sorry you will not have any rational person agreeing with you it was a good thing.
Bliar had every right to say he was sorry for any of the atrocities in the history of mankind but my only regret is that he has not been taken to the Hague to judged in his role in on the Iraq war where thousands of lives and a fine civilisation have been destroyed. |
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Where was the genocide?
Blair had no right to apologise about things that had nothing to do with him. Your assertion that no rational person could admire Britain and its past is just wrong its only self loathing Brits that carry this shame. |
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US, Canada, Australia, Jamaica, South Africa etc
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Your definition of genocide must differ from mine but even were we to allow your loose and exaggerated definition Britain still not guilty.
The US is the only place where you cold make any case for genocide and it certainly wasn't the British although Boris in his self loathing way is going to claim it. |
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"Boris is ashamed,not only ashamed but so full of self loathing that he seems to glory in the destruction of a fine civilisation,his own."
It is the way of the spineless, left wing coward. They seek to apologise for everything and to everyone and have not one iota of pride in their nation. They seek for the UK to be trampled on by the world as some kind of recompense. And if Boris doesn't contribute enough tax to pay for all this recompense, then so much the better, as he knows the rest of us will have to pick up the tab. |
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Java
I don't give a damn about your concept of nationhood and derive no pride in the fact that some of our ancestors may have been some genocidal maniacs who went to destroy foreign civilisations through out the world. They were wrong to do what they did and I feel ashame that human beings can be so callous and selfish at the expense of others. You are the coward for defending the actions of some bullies beating up weaker people than themselves and you should be ashamed of yourself for your lack of decency. |
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Boris do you still think it was the British that wiped out the Native American?
In wars people get killed that is not genocide,Britain as a colonial power was perhaps the most benign of all and whether ye self loathers like it or not brought order and civilisation everywhere they went and any country colonised by Britain was better for the experience. The colonial days are over and were of their time but this apologising when no wrong has been done is the ultimate in capitulation and kowtowing but you only have to travel round Britain to see the marvellous feats of engineering the architecture the history to know that despite the efforts of Labour Britain still has plenty to be proud of. |
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Boris is the kind who thinks anyone who is proud of being British must be a racist or a warmongerer I imagine.
There is nothing wrong with being proud of your country. I take it you are NOT proud of being British Boris? |
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I am proud when I see my countrymen/ancestors do good things like inventions, music, sporting achievements etc but I am disgusted and ashamed when I hear the actions of our governments policies now and during the times of the British empire.
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Well I am glad you have some pride in your country and whilst I disagree vehemently with your need to feel shame about something that was of its time its not that unreasonable and their is a certain consistency in your thoughts.
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Of course nothing in life is ever all good or bad.
i am sure you can find silver linings to slavery, WW1, holocaust etc so finding some positive results to our empire does not alter the fact that it was just wrong for our ancestors to invade other countries, exploit and impose to them your way of live. |
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I can't find any silver linings in the three you mention.
Are the Greeks ashamed of their past or the Romans this seems to be an English thing. |
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The other sad aspect is that this wrong view of history is being thought up and down England,English culture is denigrated and inferior cultures promoted.
My issue with you is your double standards regarding cultures. You guys are the ones denigrating other cultures like islam for trying to impose their values upon other people but at the same time applauding our ancestors for doing the very same thing and more violently only 60-200years ago!!! I recognise that the world is not evolving at the same pace and there are many countries like France, belguim, Switzerland for example that decriminalised something like homosexuality more than 200years ago while some other like Britain, US, Spain etc only did that over the past 50years. There are other countries like the Saudi arabia where it would probably take at least a hundred years before it happens. I am not sure we can infer from the above that the French culture is 150years ahead of its anglosaxon counterpart and say 300years ahead of the Saudi culture. |
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Silver linings for slavery: black people in America enjoy the hoghes standards of livings of all blacks in the world.
WWW1: It established America as the sole superpower in the world and made them very rich at our expense!!! Holocaust- Israel: The jewish people would never have been able to convince the superpowers to let them have Israel at the expense of the native arab palestinians without the holocaust guilt and sympathy. |
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Are the Greeks ashamed of their past or the Romans this seems to be an English thing.
Those experiences are far back they don't affect directly or indirectly any group of people alive. England and France are the main countries that oppressed other people in near past that still try to wield some power in the former colonies so liberals in those countries will see the unfairness of the situation and keep banging on about it. Slavery and the empire on the other hand still affect the descendants of those who suffered either directly or indirectly through lack of opportunities, racism and deprivation. |
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I really don't see what went on centuries ago has anything to do with islam's influence in this country and the immigration we face from the eu etc. so typical of apologists like you boris to talk about slavery and empire. I didn't realise we started slavery - when you look into it you will find islamic slavers abounding in the irish sea and english channel - but lets not go there eh!! and talk about what is heppening in the here and now.
Your attempts to slew the discussion and diflect from current problems are so typical. |
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we will call it the HISTERICAL card (for historical card) PLAYED by Boris - just like the race card ha ha!!!
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This is how you play it. we can't complain coz we took religion to the W0gs several centuries ago, exploited them and destroyed local industries in India. This is your fault wildman and you must desist from criticising any one from that country who comes here in what ever capacity as YOU ARE GUILTY of colonial crimes - get it!!!!
This cleverly tries to take you away from the main discussion about the loss of housing, jobs, schooling, health service etc etc etc WHICH IS HAPPENING TODAY !!! Because we have too many people here!!!! HYSTERICAL CARD played!!!! |
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Andrew Neil roasting a Tory on donations
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moisok
You refuse to see why our recent history and behaviour in the muslim world has alot to answer for their present actions and reactions. The Koran contains as much hate speech on it as the bible does and people with a chip on their head can use both books destructively in they wish. The islamic world is not as educated and secular as the west is but that is a matter of time and if we could stop interfering in their affairs and allowed them todo as they wish they won't export their problems to us just like you will hardly find other asians or south americans bringing all their problems here. |