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keith pls provide a list of people tasked with the duty of ensuring eligiblity
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what checks did they make pls? i look forward to seeing it.
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for anyone who missed it:
Rep. John Bingham of Ohio, considered the father of the Fourteenth Amendment, confirms the understanding and construction the framers used in regards to birthright and jurisdiction while speaking on civil rights of citizens in the House on March 9, 1866: [i][i] find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen |
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No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
Natural born citizen or a Citizen of the United States |
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Wow - you have quite the ego. The secret service will be tasked with combing Obama's background with a fine toothcomb. Do you really think that they would let him stand for president - let alone win the damn thing - if he weren't eligible? Really?
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No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution
so, either a natural born citizen, or someone who was a citizen of the us at the time the constitution was written. sib that really is poor even from you. that line is there to allow the founding fathers to become presdient themselves, because they all held british citizenship at birth, as did all americans at the time because they were formerly under the jurisdiction of the king of england, and they realised that without adding that line they could not be prez because they did not meet the natural born citizen criteria |
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I know. I was relying on the first bit. He was a natural born American, being born in Hawaii.
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and no keith, nothing to do with ego.
as for the secret service, it is not their jurisdiction. i'm sure they are aware which is why im sure this will come out, even if after he is sworn in. iin addition, it could also be that the persons in control of obama are also in control of the secret service no? or do you still think obama is his own man and 100% not a puppet of the internationalist elite? |
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I assumed you were arguing that he was not a legal US citizen by virtue of hie parent's status.
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every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen
seems pretty clear to me that by definition given the above etc, any person whose parent owed allegiance to a foreign sovereign, eg obama's father being a british citizen, would not be classed as a natural born citizen. they are however still a citizen. and yes, obama confirms himself his father had british citizenship as did he when he was born. |
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no not at all. im not arguing that he's not a legal citizen. just not a natural born citizen under the law.
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Don, can't you just admit you were wrong and move on?
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Right ho. Out of interest then, how can someone born in America not be a natural born American?
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if he is sworn in today i will admit that i was wrong in thinking he would never be sworn in. it wont change my mind on the actual legal aspect though and i will continue to keep an eye on it to see if anything develops
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I love that "if". What do you think is going to happen?
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News just in, Don. Andrew Jackson, seventh President of the United States (1829-1837) - both parents born in Carrickfergus, Northern Ireland.
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because the phrase "natural born citizen" is a legal term with a legal definition and meaning. as per previous posts, one cannot be a natural born citizen if either parent owed allegiance to a foreign sovereign at the time of the child's birth. this is specified within the constitution and it's original intended meaning and is therefore the law of the land since it remains legally unopposed or amended.
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the if is a classic
the sky will need to fall in to prevent the great man being sworn in perhaps as an added extra they can stick big ears and a tail on that idiot Bush and kick his backend right up the street back to Texas |
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and if u check, im sure they were both citizens of the usa by the time andrew was born, thus qualifying him.
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i dont necessarily think he will not be sworn in. it is certainly possible however given that chief justice roberts, whos responsibility it is to swear him in, will be aware of the issue and i would think qquite happy to stop him being president. after all obama did vote against roberts being appointed to his position when in the senate.
it is more likely that the issue will be dealt with retrospectively, imo. for the sake of public safety if nothing else! |
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par 20 Jan 13:15
the if is a classic the sky will need to fall in to prevent the great man being sworn in ---------- PMSL, what has he done to become "great" already? or are you just buyinh hype and spouting testicles to fit in? |
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nail on the head faceman
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So his parents have to be US citizens, you say. Why doesn't the constitution say that?
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it does, using the correct interpretation - the interpretation intended by the founders, as per the evidence of their intentions, which there is plenty of if you bother to look.
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It didn't get as far as the draft though did it, which I think is the document most of us have been relying on for quite a while.
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and if u check, im sure they were both citizens of the usa by the time andrew was born, thus qualifying him
Nope, there was no USA at the time of his birth (1767). |
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The key to all this is, many wish to just use the words "conspiracy nutter" without doing any of their own research... unless they call reading the mail online or watching sky news as "research"... in which case, there is no hope for them.
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It could have said, for instance, natural born US citizen of
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natural born citizen.
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ok masher - that means he was a citizen of the usa though at the time the constitution was written, and therefore he is qualified. see a few posts up for explanation in response to sib's earlier comment
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sibaroni - i totally agree they certainly could have made it clearer. all law is the same in that manner though - sometimes you actually have to think about what the writing is actually saying
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he has come from nowhere to get the job, that is great enough
he has beaten incalculable odds to get the job good enough for me following on from the intellectually bereft George W Bush he will only need to walk and chew gum at the same time to be considered great. |
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It is clear enough and perfectly well understood by most of us. He is a US citizen and was born in the US. A "natural born US citizen".
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faceman - i appreciate your comments :)
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I think it means he was born a British citizen of British parents. Yet he became President after the constitution was written.
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so u are seeing he wasnt a citizen when the constituion was written? i think not. as a citizen at the time of it's writing and the forming of the usa, he is eligilble. as explained above.
at least your thinking though and making constructive counter points - my genuine thx for that. |
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Par - you think he rose from nowhere to land as the president without any assistance?
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Nah, Don, as per your explanation earlier:
one cannot be a natural born citizen if either parent owed allegiance to a foreign sovereign at the time of the child's birth. this is specified within the constitution and it's original intended meaning and is therefore the law of the land since it remains legally unopposed or amended. Jackson should never have been President. |
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and the constitution just would have said that. Simple as.
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masher - i apologise for not making a full statement there. the statement of mine you have quoted refers to all individuals born after the constitution was written. that exception is made in the constitution in plain language.
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