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the supreme court can order should it so choose that no electoral college discussion and vote can take place until the eligibility issue is resolved one way or another. therefore the supreme court actually has a lot of sway in the matter.
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dont see why you argue so profusely - we will find out soon enough.
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Congress certify the votes in the electoral college.
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and if the electoral college does not convene because supreme court orders it not to? congress will have nothing to approve. supreme court has the power to rule someone ineligible - would you disagree?
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YOU ARE A NUTTER DON
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:p
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Don, the Electoral College does not convene as a unified group. Therefore, the Supreme Court can hardly order them not to convene. Electors in each state all meet at their respective state capitals on the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December to cast their votes. The votes are then counted and certified in a joint session of Congress on January 6.
The Supreme Court interprets the constitution it has no authority to tell the Congress what to do. |
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so the supreme court does not have the power to rule that someone is ineligible?
what exactly does the supreme court do? rules on the interpretation of law no? |
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pick my poor choice of phrasing apart all you like, it does not change the fact that the court cases are ongoing.
list: Electoral College Grass-roots Movement Pennyslvania Case now in the Supreme Court ALIVE New Jersey Case now in the Supreme Court ALIVE Ohio Case DEAD Hawaii Case DEAD Washington Case DEAD Virigina Case DEAD, alot of people believe this one was a fraud Connecticut Case DEAD California Case Joan Corbett ALIVE as far as I know California Case Alan Keyes and AIP Electors ALIVE California Case David Archbold did not transpire Georgia Case ALIVE North Carolina Case ALIVE New York Case No case ever transpired New York Case Christopher Strunk ALIVE Texas Case ALIVE Unconfirmed Cases Patriot Brigade Case No case ever transpired |
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alive cases:
http://americamustknow.com/pennsylvaniacase.aspx http://americamustknow.com/newjerseycase.aspx http://americamustknow.com/californiapampattersoncase.aspx http://americamustknow.com/allenkeys.aspx http://americamustknow.com/georgiacase.aspx http://americamustknow.com/northcarolinacase.aspx http://americamustknow.com/strunkcase.aspx http://americamustknow.com/texascase.aspx details of each case is within the link. there are also links to the actual writs, where the specific wording of the lawsuit is available. |
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so there are other weirdos out there?
big deal!!!!!!!! |
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the people running those cases are weirdo's.... but of course they are. all are respectable citizens - i love the sweeping statement when you havent even looked at who the plaintiffs are.
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weirdos
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since canary is still online i thought i would clarify my position on this. spent some time looking into it.
i believe obama will eventually show a birth certificate stating he was born in hawaii. this may not happen, but i now believe it will. all but one of the court cases attacking his eligibility will be denied, because they all hinge on the birth certificate and the fact it may or may not state place of birth as hawaii. obviously if he produces said ceritificate and it says hawaii they will be thrown out. i believe these court cases are a distraction which will be disproven, and this will come out in the mainstream media, in order to hide the real and only legitimate court case of donofrio. poker player Leo Donofrio's case is the only solidly constructed case. it argues that obama, mccain, and calero are all ineligible, as none are natural born citizens under constitutional law. his full reasoning can be heard in interview here: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=H79Wakmas1w&feature=related if you listen to this he explains the matter in full - worth listening to if you are at all interested in the full facts of the case. his case is listed on the supreme court docket as distributed for conference here: http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08a407.htm so there is no doubt a case exists. donofrio's lawsuit is the only one worth following and keeping up to date on. the other cases are actually irrelevant, and are in fact just a hinderance to his case. |
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[i]The Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides an additional source of constitutional doctrine stating that birth "in the United States" and subjection to U.S. jurisdiction at the time of birth, entitles one to citizenship:
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donofrio covers that and highlights how its not relevant.
canary stick to this thread, no need to keep going on both if you must insist |
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im sure you can listen to the interview at the same time as playing canary.
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LOL you chose to post it on both!
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merely to highlight my thoughts on the other thread, not for full discussion.
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lol i see
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however you did start 2 threads on a similar subject on different forums
gotta expect replies dude... |
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quote from donofrio:
[i]had the U.S. legislature intended to grant |
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fair enough, let u have that one :p
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by reasons of parentage then
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taken from the us constitution, article 2 section 1
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States. this shows the express intention of the founding fathers and the constitution to ensure that the president is a natural born citizen. with the addition of the so called grandfather clause - "that a citizen of the united states at the time of the adoption of this constituion" - they are accepting that they themselves did not meet the criteria of a natural born citizen, seeing as it wasnt possible for them to do so at the time since they also held british citizenship. that is the only reason this clause is in there - so one of them could be president under the constitution's rules. by virtue of his father's kenyan, and therefore british citizenship, obama also held british citizenship at the time of his birth and therefore whilst he is a citizen of the united states (assuming he didnt renounce that!) he is not a natural born citizen because dual nationality precludes natural born citizenship as evidenced by the grandfather clause. under british law a child to a british parent born abroad holds british citizenship. this was the case for obama. there has never before been a president who did not have TWO parents holding us citizenship. this is because the constitution does not allow it. |
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of course none of this matters in relation to the settled pres market as that was based on the election which obama won and nothing will ever change that :)
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so you accept he's ineligible then, regardless of what the full form birth certificate says.
the settled market is a different matter - this is not final. |
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no not at all!
he's perfectly eligible lol just saying it makes no diff to the pres market settled |
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can you not read LOL
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canaryboy 24 Nov 04:34
of course none of this matters in relation to the settled pres market as that was based on the election which obama won and nothing will ever change that i dont see you disagreeing with any of th reasoning as stated above regarding his eligibility. have you any arguement? |
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if you do, ill pick it up later. off for a nap.
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it's argument
you said yesterday how you had a decent grasp of the english language... |
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i haven't commented on the 'reasoning' and know for a fact you are wasting your time, along with the other nutcases.
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you haven't commented because there is no argument. apologies for the spelling error at 445am - lmao the spelling was the biggest flaw you could find :)
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there has never before been a president who did not have TWO parents holding us citizenship. this is because the constitution does not allow it.
so why was he allowed to run for president? you don't think they thought about that? :^0 |
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if the constitution won't let him become pres, why was he allowed to run?!
did everyone conveniently ignore it?! :D |
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Alan Keyes and other members of the party have filed suit in California Superior Court in Sacramento to stop the state from giving its electoral votes to President-elect Barack Obama until documentary evidence is provided to prove Obama is indeed a natural born citizen of the United States.
er and what about the other states? |
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who is they? who's responsibility is it to ensure he is eligible? the secretaries of state are bound to by constituional law.
they have broken the law by not honouring their obligation, hence donofrio also has a lawsuit again new jerset secretary of state Nina Mitchell Wells, who confirmed that she simply assumed his eligibility given that the party had nominated him. |
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they only need to set precedent in one state for the others to follow.
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and who says his dad can't be kenyan?
that's never been in doubt LOL obama's birth certificate http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate now gtfo |