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anfeild
13 Nov 09 12:52
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Playing live last night. Ten left. Nine paid. I have 30,000 blinds are 1000 2000. Average stack is around 20,000. 88 runners(2500 starting ***** Guy in first position moves all in for 17000. Im on bb with aq. Called and lost to 55. Think it was the correct call as if i win that sitting well for final table.

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By:
Mavis "Hacksaw" Handbag
When: 13 Nov 09 12:53
Yes, unless a very very unusual payoiut structure and/or he was a complete nit who u knew was intending to fold to the money.
By:
Never In Doubt
When: 13 Nov 09 12:54
What? This is a fold isnt it? ANd just raise the next hand
By:
Aspro
When: 13 Nov 09 13:00
Not enough information about the raiser; loose player then probably a slight favourite, good or tight player, then probably an underdog meaning you should fold. HTH :)
By:
chop180
When: 13 Nov 09 13:02
Were you on the final table, or was it one of two tables of 5?

If it's the former, an easy fold for me. If the latter, probably a call.
By:
chop180
When: 13 Nov 09 13:03
Sorry, didnt read the last bit. Call for me then.
By:
Aspro
When: 13 Nov 09 13:03
although, after the cards are shown it shows he is probably a bit loose but the decision is based on the play leading up to that moment. Either way I'd probably fold... I'd rather be the raiser than the caller for over half my stack.
By:
anfeild
When: 13 Nov 09 13:04
He was a solid player from what id seen. My thinking was there was 20000 in the pot 14000 to win 20000. Just around 1.5/1. I taught he might have some weak ace or a medium pocket pair. Ruled out aa kk as i think he might just raise to 7000 to get a call. Anyway had decided to try and get *****for the final table as any time i do make a final table i seem to limp there.
By:
anfeild
When: 13 Nov 09 13:05
Sorry meant to say 10 left final table of 9.
By:
Never In Doubt
When: 13 Nov 09 13:06
Yeah what we are trying to establish is whether it is 10 handed with 9 paid or two tables of 5
By:
chop180
When: 13 Nov 09 13:07
It's okay, the last few words made that clear. Can't possibly fold that if you are in the bb.
By:
Rowland Browning
When: 13 Nov 09 13:08
shirley a call.
fold and you continue to limp to the money
call and lose and you continue to limp to the money
call and win and youre in pos to ensure a podium finish.
By:
Aspro
When: 13 Nov 09 13:09
An apparent solid player making a move utg... not sure I'd be calling with AQ tbf but each to their own. Great game eh?
By:
anfeild
When: 13 Nov 09 13:12
Yeah i think the call was correct. Just hard playing for five hours to lose a coin flip. Finished 9th. Suppose you have to win races at the end to win tournaments. Cheers for the replies.
By:
Never In Doubt
When: 13 Nov 09 13:12
You arent racing on your terms
By:
anfeild
When: 13 Nov 09 13:13
He was a solid player but five handed and he only had just over 5 bb so that narrows his range.
By:
Six of Clubs
When: 13 Nov 09 13:15
think its a reasonable enough call, generally you are flipping or dominating him. if you are unlucky enough to run into AK, that will balance out imo as his range for shoving should also be AJ, AT, maybe KQ.
if its 9 paid its usually fairly flat 9th-6th so why not try and build a stack.
By:
Aspro
When: 13 Nov 09 13:15
I'm not knocking the call at all anfeild; nothing wrong there to find yourself in a race but against the popular decision here I think I'd have let it go. Fair point though.
By:
Never In Doubt
When: 13 Nov 09 13:21
He has 8.5BB This isnt as clear cut as it looks
By:
anfeild
When: 13 Nov 09 13:23
17000 blinds 1000 2000. I taught that makes his m around 5.5. Thats what i meant.
By:
chop180
When: 13 Nov 09 13:35
His range for shoving with 8.5bbs on a 5 handed table should be a heck of a lot more than AT & KQ+ imo.
By:
Never In Doubt
When: 13 Nov 09 13:37
Yes it should be
By:
richpickns
When: 13 Nov 09 13:45
defo fold for me - think about the hands you beat and the hands u lose to considering he is pushing under the gun

hands you beat - aj/a10/ace rag, kq, kj and its fair to say this is an optimistic range
hands you loose to - and other he raises with
By:
Dooberama
When: 13 Nov 09 13:50
nah, is an easy call. Only AK, AA, KK and QQ really beat you and with at least 3 of these he does something re tarded like limp or min raise as he is a live donk.

that is before you realise it is 5 handed and you have him covered.
By:
Never In Doubt
When: 13 Nov 09 13:53
LOL good thread seriously
By:
chop180
When: 13 Nov 09 14:07
"hands you beat - aj/a10/ace rag, kq, kj and its fair to say this is an optimistic range"

Cobblers.
By:
1hearts
When: 13 Nov 09 14:16
It's a gambling call. You are probably 50/50 but could be in far better. Unlikley he has massive hand. If your up for the gamble it's a call. As said though, you could wait be the raiser.
By:
joffy
When: 13 Nov 09 14:18
Call without even thinking abt it for me
By:
Six of Clubs
When: 13 Nov 09 14:21
ok just reread op and realised its a 5 seater. call every day of the week and twice on sunday.
based my original answer on 10 seater and i think thats a call.
By:
Never In Doubt
When: 13 Nov 09 14:22
Live solid player this is NOT a call 10 handed
By:
Six of Clubs
When: 13 Nov 09 14:25
if by solid you mean tight then maybe not, but if by solid you mean decent and playing properly, ie trying to build up a stack then i reckon you are only behind to AK,
By:
joffy
When: 13 Nov 09 14:27
Isnt yr call 15k by the way not that I thought about
By:
chop180
When: 13 Nov 09 14:29
10 handed it's debatable, 5 handed it isn't.
By:
Six of Clubs
When: 13 Nov 09 14:33
its debatable but strak is still a gayer
By:
FFsmd
When: 13 Nov 09 14:34
If this call was for my tourney life,then i would concider how nitty he had been,but as its not then iam snapping him off no matter how nitty he has been so far.
By:
Mavis "Hacksaw" Handbag
When: 13 Nov 09 14:38
Strak you NIT! :D



Hold on there I have another hand which I'm about to post...
By:
richpickns
When: 13 Nov 09 14:57
its 10 handed not 5 handed - 5 left insta call 10 left fold

'your only behind to AK' - yeh and any pair
By:
Mavis "Hacksaw" Handbag
When: 13 Nov 09 15:26
Ok fellas - here's another one for ye:

18 man, $16 stt, I have been multi tabling these over the past few days just cause I fancied some donk poker.

Down to last 5. 4 paid. payouts are $27, $54, $71, $108.

Seifer Gomez (the CL)'s shoving range is any two cards based on previous hands.


PokerStars Game #35201428013: Tournament #211511925, $15+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2009/11/11 3:38:21 ET
Table '211511925 1' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 4: MavisHandbag (3800 in *****
Seat 5: Xaviola83 (2805 in *****
Seat 7: Seifer Gomez (15140 in *****

Seat 8: storms32 (230 in ***** is sitting out
Seat 9: youbetchaya (5025 in *****
MavisHandbag: posts the ante 25
Xaviola83: posts the ante 25
Seifer Gomez: posts the ante 25
storms32: posts the ante 25
youbetchaya: posts the ante 25
youbetchaya: posts small blind 200
MavisHandbag: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MavisHandbag [Ac Ks]
Xaviola83: folds
Seifer Gomez: raises 4800 to 5200
storms32: folds
youbetchaya: folds
MavisHandbag: ??
By:
Mavis "Hacksaw" Handbag
When: 13 Nov 09 15:27
sorry - note the guy on TWO HUNDRED *****who has been SITTING OUT for the last 20 or so hands.
By:
joffy
When: 13 Nov 09 15:27
Jam
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