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1 Call every time for me
Mavos - This may be one of the very few times when you are better off folding AK |
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For me it would depend on the other players, ie how easily can you nick their blinds uncontested.
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I may have folded if i was not in the big blind. There was 3000 in the middle. Plus his 17000. 20000. I have 14000 to win 20000. Just under 1.5 to 1. I think to win or go deep it was the correct call. Next blind level was 2000 4000. The tournament is a weird struture. 2500 starting with 30 min blinds for 3 levels. Then 20 mins after break. Average stack at the time was 2000. Which is less the m=7. So i think the call was correct. But was tempted to fold as could have done with the money.
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Jam,
lose $16 or have a decent shot at $108. I assume CL will not change his approach much if you double up? |
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defo allin for me - i wdnt fold that hand at that stage to any player never mind a very loose one
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I am not quite so sure calling is mathematicall correct long term tho is it?
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Fold again for me Mavis; I've been in that position a few times and still won outright by folding drawing hands to a bully. 6 left and still work to be done then I call and again when the bubble is gone but in that situation, I can wait.
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Calling is in no way correct even if he turns over A2 maths wise
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Mavis has spent way too much time playing double or nothings obv.
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lol
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Anfield its been a long day but isnt yr call 15k. Hes shoved 17k and yr BB is 2k
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this is close doobs surely
what's your move then? |
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At the time i thought my calling range would need tp be like 99+ and then AJ+ or something similar.
The slightly odd payout (27-54-81-108) and the fact the CL was a donk did get me thinking though. Oh and I had been running bad as well. roffle |
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Its a fold ev wise AA is only hand you can call here.
If your playing a load of these and making money in the long run is your aim, then no choice fold fold fold. If your just playing 1 or 2 a every now and again for fun, then i guess a call is ok. but its a losing play. |
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It may well be close, but I can't bring myself to fold or work it out Mavo.
Somebody open shoved on the button for 40 BBs on the final table of the $50 rebuy on ip oker the other day. He had 400k, there were 3 of us on about 200K, and I think 5 others on 100K to 150K. I was in the SB with AK, $15K for first and $900 for 9th, though probably doesn't go up much until about 4th. This is insta call isn't it? |
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yes Doobs snap call, but the diff is that in mtts we have so many more buyins to gain , but in stts the diff between cashing and winning is alot less.
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Yep if yr grinding these day after day then got to agree.
As i cldnt do that i call every time. |
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well i've just ICM'd it ffsmd (I guess u did the same?) , and it's coming up with a far wider range:
http://www.holdemresources.net/hr/sngs/icmcalculator.html?action=calculate&bb=400&sb=200&ante=40&structure=37.5%2C28.125%2C18.75%2C9.375&s1=2805&s2=15140&s3=0&s4=5025&s5=3800&s6=&s7=&s8=&s9= PU CA OC Range UTG 15.2%, 22+ A7s+ A5s-A4s ATo+ K9s+ KQo QTs+ JTs CO 7.2%, 77+ AJs+ AJo+ BU 100.0%, Any two SB 1.4%, QQ+ BB 1.8%, JJ+ BU 100.0%, Any two SB 8.0%, 66+ ATs+ AJo+ BB 8.4%, 55+ ATs+ AJo+ SB 7.2%, 77+ AJs+ AJo+ BB 2.6%, TT+ AKs BB 8.9%, 66+ ATs+ ATo+ CO 100.0%, Any two BU 100.0%, Any two SB 2.3%, TT+ BB 3.2%, 88+ SB 2.3%, TT+ BB 0.9%, KK+ BB 8.6%, 66+ A9s+ AJo+ KQs ------ calling range if CO shoves BU 100.0%, Any two SB 100.0%, Any two BB 9.8%, 66+ A9s+ ATo+ KJs+ BB 100.0%, Any two SB 100.0%, Any two BB 22.6%, 55+ A3s+ A5o+ K8s+ K9o+ QTs+ QJo (I put the sitting out guy in with 1 chip and then 0 *****and it comes up as the same) |
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see, i knew this hand would be a close one.
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ive checked many sim type hands b4 so didnt check this one kk in their suprised in a 9 seater prob just AA as i said, i guess thats the diff when 1st is more buyins to win
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i defo fold mavis's hand
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I would assume that as shorty is sat out,then folding is a bigger premium as he will never play a hand by choice even if hes delt AA or will not call in situations when he has *****left but should.So his road to recovery is rocky to say the lest.
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Just ran it sng whizz gives you QQ+
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i agree with mavis
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Cant help myself, so checked a few ranges,as although its fine for him to ship any2 not all players do.
if we give him 50% it changes to kk+ and 40% to just AA so in these situations obv dont assume all players know to ship any2 |
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no, but this player deffo does ship any 2, he was playing way loose when we were still on 2 tables and seemed a bit monkey tilt ish actually, just a hyper aggro maniac lol. i quite like that style tho!
he'd already been open shoving the past few hands hence his stack. quite a close one here then, i guess what with everything considered, it's so marginal it probably hardly matters what you do in the long run. it's not exactly gonna happen very often is it, you'd need like 1000 situations to see any sort of difference anyway! Maybe it's better to assess the tiltability of losing/winning - if ur gonna tilt if u lose then fold, if u really don't tilt then call cause u like standing up for urself! Oh btw obv I called and lost to 94o or something but I think that was pretty obvious! |