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This is the worst tdf in recent memory
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It might be boring but at least we know that everyone is clean this year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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bring back schleck and contador! we need more doping!
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Could do with BMC,Liquigas and Lotto joining up and blitzing it early on.I am hoping anyone within reaching distance of Wiggins has kept their powder dry last few days rather than being unable to attack,lots of tired legs by 3rd week and sky have done plenty on the front.Can`t see it happening but live in hope.
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I am hoping anyone within reaching distance of Wiggins has kept their powder dry last few days rather than being unable to attack
Hope it isnt the same powder Franks been using! |
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will be no challenge for Wiggins today it already looks like
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Eh? How do you work that out? This is going to be fireworks. Fireworks I tell thee.
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Anyone who watched some of the Indurain & Armstrong snooze-fests will know that this is not exceptionally boring...but up to this point..it has been very disappointing after last year....which felt like a throw-back to more attacking riding from the GC contenders.
But it's the Tour...and sometimes a dominant team will take all the drama out of it...F1 style. The commentators seem excited enough. Still...anything can happen today & tomorrow. Remember Landis losing something like 8 mins up to La Toussire in 2006...and the next day's stage was just about the most exciting day i've ever seen in cycling since 1986 Shame it turned out to be a pantomime. |
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it was clear only from watching that Llandis was on drugs that day (and made me lose my bets laying him
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The use of the word "pantomime" was deliberate.
Anyone who watched him cross the line in Morzine had a pretty good idea that testosterone was in his system. Still..a thrilling day with Phonak launching as a team [up the Galibier?] and CSC and others looking at each other rather than organising the chase. |
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marychain1 18 Jul 12 11:14
Eh? How do you work that out? This is going to be fireworks. Fireworks I tell thee. Nibali with the help of Basso attacking Evans the only action of the GC contenders, really fireworks  |
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maybe one of those £5 box of Standard fireworks from the newsagent...with a couple of sparklers & a rubbish catherine wheel...?
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If your firework does not light, under no cicumstances return to it and try to relight it. |
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How many days in a row now have we had a breakaway get about 10 mins clear and it just stays that way. So so so boring
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the only battle I've seen today was for KOM jersey
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agreed
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This was what it was like in the days of Indurain - a supreme time trialist who is also unbreakable in the mountains.
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though AFAIR Indurain wasn't as much relying on assistance from his teammates?
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the idea that andy schleck wudda provided a stiff challenge to wiggo this year is frankly laughable
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might have nicked a couple of minutes max in the mountains whilst losing 6 or 7 minutes plus in the time trials.
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i really think most people here fail to grasp just what Sky have done in this tour. They've basically taken the successful UK track cycling program and applied it to the road. They have focussed 100% since last year on the goal of getting wiggo to win the tour. No other teams have had the opportunity to prepare in such a meticulous way. To win le tour u basically have to excell in about 6 stages - 2 TTs and about 4 mountain stages. Wiggo has always been a top notch TTer and is now arguably the best in the world, and the team is unquestionably the best when it comes to ascending mountains thanks to their massive block of dedicated training in Tenerife.
Many old-fashioned tour fans will say its boring and they may well be right but the fact is the very lack of excitement comes from Sky being totally dominant and perfectly prepared for the job in hand. It looks like wiggo will win the tour with probably less moments of difficulty or concern than practically any previous tour winner. Apart from losing 2 secs to Froome on stage 6, he hasnt lost a single second of time to any GC rival throughout the whole tour. That is a remarkable fact. |
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tbf Dave Brailsford said a few years ago he would have a British winner of the Tour De France within 5 years and i remember thinking WALOFS and just to rub it in he has the first and second lol.Just remains for Wiggins to lead Cavendish into the finishing straight in Paris. Well done Sky Cycling Team.
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their massive block of dedicated training in Tenerife
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We all know each other well enough now to have a pretty good idea of how people judge Wiggins abilities relative to Froome, the other GC contenders, A Schleck, and even Contrador (sic). Also the full spectrum of perception on worst ever tour to enthralling (although I don't think anyone is claiming best ever?).
Wiggins can only do what has been put in fromt of him. To now, he has done this with sportsmanship, professional and the ruthless efficiency that we usually only see from German penalty takers. Froome has proved himself to be (at least) comparable and is rightly in second place. The speculation on what would happen in a real race between them has been interesting but I think we have known all along that Froome would always to the team thing and help his captain. The point I have made before is that Brailsford picked Wiggins to lead because of what he has done in training over and above what Froome has accomplished. Brailsford was not contractually obliged - he picked the man most likely to win it; I respect his view, although others on here do not. One thing I hope we can agree on is the treat we have over the next few years: Pinot, Van Garderen, Rolland, Froome, Wiggins, Nibali, Contador, Schleck A, Pozzovivo (if its really steep), Sagan etc make the future TdFs look very enticing. I think we all know that this one is over!! |
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^ only if they are on different teams
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That would be some team if all in the same one!!! They'd win riding Raleigh Grifters with 3 speed Sturmey Archer (oh God, showing my age!)
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Two excellent posts HoD and Sir Denis.
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a more interesting parcours might help...
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Lets just hope that something happens today,otherwise may have well called it off after the time trial.
Been pretty much rubbish in the mountains with only 1 maybe 2 riders actually attempting to threaten Sky. Great to see brits at the top,but the race itself,rather boring in my view. Pray that Nibali has the strength to make it interesting today,i will be!! |
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yesterday's attacks have taken too much out of Nibali obviously
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not strong enough,as was the case with all of them in the end.
Froome too strong,and Wiggins pretty much p!ssed it in the end. shame for the competitive race i wanted,but great for Britain. |
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Will say that Nibali at least tried to make it interesting,and hats off to him for that.About the only bloke that got me on the edge of my seat since the time trial.
Just a shame he aint a climber in the mould of Andy Schleck,then it would have been interesting!! oh well. |
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they've basically taken the successful UK track cycling program
PMSL, yep those Brits......Its taken till now for the Brits to show other countries how to be professional, dedicated etc.... ROFL PMSL How the Belgians, French, Italians, Spanish must wonder what they have been doing all these years massive block of dedicated training in Tenerife. Oh sweet j**us, yes those pre-season training camps.......yep the Brits done that first also ROFL IMHO This tour is like alot of them, strangled by the dominance of one team. Nothing wrong with that i suppose but i can understand why people see it as boring. The idea that this tour is clean is frankly laughable. Schleck who is a good cyclist is caught with his fingers in the till, and still can't keep up with the main challengers. The improvement of Wiggins is justifiably questioned. 32 years old and all his major Road race performances have come in the last 2 years. Ex Part of the Garmin team who are now shrouded in rumour. Even the point Kimmage makes of them getting rid of the team doctor and taking on the Ex Rabobank guy is worthy of an answer. |
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BTW well done to Wiggins; He deserves the win;
I stood in the pi55ing rain in Albi in 2007 and roared him home. No use he finished 4th beaten well. Couldn't climb a hill that year; yet his public utterances against doping gained him a following. We can only hope he stodd by those principals......well done indeed if he has |
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i think its pretty clear to everyone joe, sky are juiced to the hilt, its without question, 2 years v careful planning
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what a load of gibberish
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^ more 5hite
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KIMBLE, you are clearly clueless. Biometric passports make it nigh on impossible to cheat these days, because any changes in your blood or urine have to be accounted for, and everyone is tested in and out of training. There's probably the odd bit of dodgy stuff going on - not all drugs make you perform better after all, some might help you recover quicker or train better, but there's no mass EPO doping going on like in the 90s.
And if you are one of those that says "but they will just find new drugs they dont have tests for yet", maybe so, but you can tell by looking at power outputs that what people were doing in the 90s was just impossible. The speeds riders are travelling at now is entirely feasible, staying within what has been shown to be humanly possible, so you can tell that cycling is predominantly clean now. |
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yr wasting yr time using facts and logic to argue against these muppets marychain
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Facts and logic......years of denial.....then suddenly the sport is cleaner once a Brit wins
 Muppets you say Denis?....incapable of actually arguing a point. I respect Marychains arguement. Well made articulate except for calling another poster clueless. You on the other hand create another post mumbling on like a 4 year old child at anyone who dares disagree with you. Your comments are naive imho. Little or nothing you state about how Sky have won this Tour is backed up in fact. You think sky were the only team to prepare professionally? |