I expect the outcome of the appeal, will be a reduction to 5 days for Geraghty as an injudicious ride and Harvey will be have his fine lifted.

yes, it may be a shot across the bows, though the last 2 or 3 involving the green and gold also escaped, the 2 at Fairyhouse, and the Harrington one at Tipp last summer.

on the issue of policing: the percentage of prosecutions of non triers to actual races is miniscule. we all see on a daily basis in Ireland at least 2 or 3 blatant non triers, frequently evident inside the first 200 yards. if the police(stewards and in particular the professional stipes) are not prepared to act, then we might as well dispense with them altogether. It seems that they can readily be bracketed as reactive instead of being pro active.

some time ago, an individual was recruited(from ppowers as it happens) to police the exchanges and general market movement...apart from that Lambe case at Downpatrick, the lack of prosecutions would lead one to believe the sport was squeakly clean. The individual in the portfolio may have his hands tied from above, so it may be unfair to blame him. The fact that I have seen him acting as a stipe at point to points when racing was also taking place on the track at the same time in Ireland, indicates, it is not a high priority for the turf club, more like, a position for positive imagery rather than positive action.

the general punting public, as distinct from those behoven to the green/gold within the industry, are sick and tired of the antics with their horses.  the public are at best second guessing all the time...compare and contrast with Giggs whose horses are fairly campaigned.

If you want the classic comparison between green/gold and giggs......prince of scars and gladiator king dead heated at Leopardstown in a maiden hurdle in January 2015. Study how they have been campaigned in the interim.

one closing point which may knit together certain pieces of the original puzzle.

In the not too distant past, a successful trainer, and a committee member of the trainers association, dropped into me for a chat one night. Various topics were discussed, the 2 items that he was very confident in talking about were (1) certain trainers were getting "the non detectable gear" from Canada, (2) Sunday was the main day for stopping/laying(for exchange purposes) in Ireland.

item (1) is not "in play" in this Limerick case. Regarding item(2), I suspect if the trainers know what is happening on the sundays, the officials must too, hence eventually someone was going to be fingered. the stipes may have had the gun loaded for some time, unless they are armed with extra information, from the outside looking in, they may have pulled the trigger on the wrong race.

Info on any website ?

You wonder why they bother hiring barristers in these appeals.

Be much cheaper to overturn the original decision immediately on rumour of possible appeal imo.

No creditability anymore.

Looking back through the posts , reckon one (or more) of mine has gone missing .  How can you check if a post of yours has been removed ?

Barry Geraghty is free to ride at next week’s Punchestown Festival having had his 30-day ban overturned on appeal at the Turf Club on Monday evening.

Geraghty received the ban for his ride aboard Noble Emperor at Limerick on April 3rd. The 7/4 favourite finished fast to take second place in the handicap hurdle won by the front-running Velocity Boy. The stewards said Geraghty had failed to take all reasonable and permissible measures to obtain the best possible placing. They also fined the trainer Tony Martin, who expressed his satisfaction with the ride, €3,000 and punished owner J.P. McManus by suspending the horse for 60 days.

However, after a three-hour hearing the Appeals Panel overturned that decision and all parties were completely cleared of any wrongdoing.

Delivering the verdict, Judge Tony Hunt said: “It was an unsatisfactory race, mainly down to the very enterprising ride of Barry Cash. Our view is that the opportunity for Noble Emperor to finish first was gone from very early in the race. Second was the best placing he could achieve.

So its all Barry Cash,s fault !

I didnt see that one coming.

From the Racing Post...the full quote is

"In our view, there was no opportunity for Noble Emperor to win the race at any relevant time," Judge Tony Hunt told the floor  his verdict.

"This race must be looked at as an individual race. It turned out to be an unsatisfactory race with enterprising tactics used by the winning jockey. In our view, the opportunity to finish first was gone very early in the race. Second was the best possible position he could achieved given the way the race panned out."

I am struck by the comment....this race must looked at as an individual race. Shot across the bows?

I'm gutted for Irish racing , we'll never have a better chance of putting things right . They now have us over a barrell and can do as they please .Punters are now at their mercy, come racing and watch as THEY decide if you'll get a fair crack of the whip.
R.I.P.

Lat one out turn off the lights lads.......

Kelly we are not talking here about sharing information. You say "the figures dont back up a fraction of the claims made" - where/what are these figures. When you say that there are very few non-triers in the sport youre either fishing or have lost it.

How many times have we all heard such-and-such is "not off today" or apparently the more modern version is "today is not today".

Apart from the aftertiming i must say i quite like Kelly's contributions. Hes interesting and he knows plenty about the game , particularly in days  gone by.
Hes 100 % spot on when he says that the owners are entitled to know more than joe public, i agree wholeheartedly. The notion that buying the racing post is going to put you on a level playing field with someone who has bought the animal and is paying the bills is a crock of shiite. The green and gold only do what anyone else would do given the opportunity, they put alot of money in to the game and they want to win when it suits.
If people dont like that then its tough shiite, dont get involved in certain races, or maybe go and bet on sports where you cannot possibly win.

The figures show extremely few transgressions ( proven and not appealed or overturned  ) .  EVERY day somewhere on Betfair forums someone somewhere posts up about non triers , hand brake still on , not wanted etc . Not quite every race , but a substantial number of times per day . Pocket talk , I suspect .

If there had been no hulabaloo about the race in Limerick , I suspect that quite a few punters would have been mentioning non triers in the race , or commenting on the start where to my mind there was little attempt to ensure a level start . If nothing else the enquiry / verdict proves that it is possible to steal a race , even one which you could have won in normal running conditions.

Have been around the racing scene for a long time , know that not all horses are fit to run for their lives until everything suits . I know if I was an owner and wanting to back my horse , I would leave no stone unturned in an effort to win my bet . Trick as a punter is to decipher all the information , AND market moves , particularly at the death , in search of the winner .  Then hopefully its down to normal luck .

You have to admit though he is always trying!

examples of it every day.one in last race test eve from dundalk..5/4 solid all day.5 min before off went rapidly out to 4.5 on here and ran accordingly,horse had a favs chance on paper.....who do we think is drifting him?!?!  not the form men  anyway!!

true kelly,
   ive seen plenty of wellbacked horses run stinkers? we get sucked in by good money for form horses (we all do it)

Mincer, making aclown of himself again today ,you couldn't make it up.

Good post dj.

JP likes a punt and there's nothing wrong with that.

We Irish are notorious for scheming and generally admire anyone that pulls one off.

But the sheer numbers of the green and gold that run to their SP rather than their form has turned off the majority of observers judging by the almost universal negative reaction to the exoneration of all concerned.

I'd say he wouldn't have too many bets arkle but he gives the orders/green light to campaign them a certain way to pick up the bigger handicap,s .

Plenty of others then use this information to their advantage hence them running to their SP with the exception of a 4th or 5th string popping up in a top handicap.