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Fair point and tend to agree the men of 1916 hadn't a German puppet state in mind.
Maybe the tide is turning,firstly the UK will have to leave Europe,the ordinary people of Europe are questioning the foisting of these migrants and the Paris,Brussels,Colognes etc it brings with them. Wasn't against the European Union but as a small country we have no voice, Merkels whims are in the best interest of the country or any other country in the EU imo. |
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True,hardly utophia there
Educational,environmental ,corruption,healtcare,human rights mess |
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*utopia
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Talk about a Strawman argument!
No one has claimed its a Utopia! Where is? |
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Misinterpretation is it D'ozy.....
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Just insults from you Ozymanius and a complete inability to make an argument.
Any reason why Indonesia dont take in some refugees. |
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What you mean apart from apart from relative poverty vis a vis the First World, lack of social welfare blanket for existing citizens, difficulties and costs of transport, lack of employment opportunities, a young population etc etc etc
All that said....despite these obvious impediments Indonesia has taken a similar number of Refugees to Ireland (approx 5,000) |
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And while we are on the subject, as of September 2015;
Of the 4 million Syrians who have fled their country since the war began, including hundreds of thousands who have poured into Europe, the number who have been resettled in Britain could fit on a single London Underground train — with plenty of seats to spare. Just 216 Syrian refugees have qualified for the government’s official relocation program, according to data released last week. |
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And just to pull you up on a Typo earlier....
Just insults from you Ozymanius and a complete inability to make an argument....... can only assume you meant to type 'Wonks'..rather than 'Ozy'...... |
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And now, if you don't mind, please excuse me, I am heading to the beach to catch some rays. 25 degrees Baby
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To add to Oz's description of Indonesia (of which I personally know nothing).
93% of Indonesian men say that a wife should always obey her husband 72% of Indonesians favour the making of sharia the law in their country. Chillingly 48% of that 72% favour stoning as punishment for adultery. Much of their other statistics are more progressive (in western terms). While I originally posted in order to try to refute Oz's post, much of what he says of Indonesia seems broadly correct. I have learnt something new today. However my source is disquieting reading.It provides the views of Muslims in their own words. I am providing the link below. More and more I am coming to the belief that some groups views and morals are incompatible with our society as it is now. I do not believe that many of these group (including Muslims) want or aspire to integrate in any meaningful way with us. Those people have no place here. It is a nonsense that we should accommodate them. I have never heard a single compelling argument in favour of it. http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf |
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You are in overtime googling.
This is reminiscent of the time you claimed Irelands homeless consisted of 53 individuals. 37,000 have tried to enter Britain illegally through the Eurotunnel in the short few months of the year so far.How many got through? |
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" Indonesia has taken in the same number of refugees as Ireland "
Look at the size and population of Indonesia compared to Ireland,all heart those Indonesians and these are their co religionists. |
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Hi DeargDubh, can you please post a link to the original source of those survey results thanks.
Will look at them when I return later. |
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At the bottom of the post Oz.
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Your original question was
Any reason why Indonesia don't take in some refugees. Now you want to know why they don't take more? Am I following correctly? |
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I admit I know little of the Pew Foundation. They describe themselves as non partisan but....
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Ozymandius berates Ireland for not taking in enough refugees but has no problem with this tolerant Muslim country he has lived in taking in in relative terms about a fiftieth of what we've taken in.
DeargDubh is right they are not compatible to western culture. Its an invasion and they are a fifth column. Women have never had it so good and yet the feminists who scream the house down over alleged rape culture in universities don't see a real rape culture looming large. |
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Oh the irony of it , D'ozy now looking for excuses to hide , last time I stepped out around 30mins ago it was 5 degrees, what a sad individual you are mate . Living the life alright ,sadly its all in your head ...
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ozy = snap
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Tony, D'ozy only knows Women who USE the whip ...
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Brilliant article in the Independent from Carol Hunt , for the first time it looks as if journalists are wakening up to the possibility that they might have got it wrong . Carol gives a eye opening account of the media getting it wrong . Well done young woman ...
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irish inde wr?
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Yes , another winner for you I see , any chance of a loan ...
Irish Independent .. |
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you know if ive got it mate your welcome
 ..i,ll look that uo after racing..hope noels other wins the next.. |
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Ozymandius
Date Joined: 01 Jul 11 Add contact | Send message 24 Mar 16 16:49 Joined: 01 Jul 11 | Topic/replies: 17,097 | Blogger: Ozymandius's blog You still evade their attitude towards women. Can you be more precise, please? Who's attitude towards Women? I have lived in the world's most populus Muslim country, 200 odd million of them, I saw no issue with their attitude towards women. Equally, I studied alongside Muslim women from many corners of the world. I am friendly with many Muslim women who are amongst the leaading lights in their respective professions. Of course there are backward strains of Islam where their attitudes towards women are barbaric, no one is suggesting otherwise. If you are refering to these strains, can you please do so in the question. Articulate, Pa.  |
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Ya won't get away with tellin a Cork wan to cover up from head to toe and walk 10 paces behind ya anyway.
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Thanks DD, am having a read of that survey now and will let you know what I think.
p.s. Wonks, am burnt to a crisp. |
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A quick point about Islam in Indonesia;
Much of the horror stories that you will hear and as related by Tony, relate to Aceh. Aceh became a special autonomous region in 2003 after a long period of revolt against Indonesia. It is a relatively small, peripheral conservative region which fully enacts a strict Islamic criminal code. Its unfair to transpose it's babaric and backward practices as typical of Islam in Indonesia More typical, representative and widespread is a particularly Indonesian approach to Islam, known as Archipelago Islam. It puts an emphasis on moderation, on tolerance, on protecting minority rights and has a big emphasis on a life of harmony. |
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DD,
Pew Institute seems to be non biased in outlook. The survey is based on 39,000 respondents in 39 countries, so we could, perhaps, assume 1,000 Indonesian were polled. A small sample size, across what is a very diverse Archipelago and difficult to capture an accurate cross section. Let's examine one of the results of the survey that you highlighted. That 72% of Indonesians favour the making of sharia the law in their country is alarming on the face of it. However, Sharia law is understood and applied in such varied ways across the Muslim world that it is difficult to say exactly what it is. Full Islamic criminal law, the harsh code most non-Muslims think of when they hear the word sharia, is only applied in very few countries, such as Saudi Arabia. Islamic "personal law" for issues like marriage and inheritance is much more common. The Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams once sparked off a storm by suggesting Britain adopt some sharia law. British Muslims defending him stressed most of the Islamic world also rejected the ultra-orthodox model that he clearly ruled out. So the survey response about 'Sharia Law' is not as alarming as one might initially think. Law in Indonesia is actually based on a civil law system, intermixed with customary law and the Roman Dutch law. |
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Fantasic holiday you're having D'ozy , on holiday from here it seems ,you've only been on here 12 hrs out of the last 24...You're a gas ....
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D'ozy you never told us Abdeslam was one of yours..
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wot a bloody well boring fcukwit ozy is,even more so if he really is on holiday
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He never said a word about your man been one of his sort, now we have to worry about D'ozys kind as well ,whatever next...
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Merkel offers cash handouts worth millions of pounds for migrants to return home in an embarrassing U-turn
The German chancellor agreed measures to speed up deportation An estimated 450,000 rejected migrants are set to be sent home Scheme includes £76million of cash incentives to leave voluntarily eh, didn't take them long to find out this would not end well. |
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Scared shitless after the German people spoke by voting against her last month.
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Sweden child migrant tests 'reveal many adults' 05 December 2017 Europe Image caption The checks were only carried out in cases where there were doubts as to the person's age A Swedish investigation into migrants claiming asylum as children suggests that three-quarters of those tested were over the age of 18. Sweden's national forensic medicine agency checked the age of nearly 8,000 people and found that some 6,600 were 18 or over. The checks were only carried out in cases where there were doubts as to the person's age. Child migrants are less likely to be sent back to their country of origin. Between mid-March and late October, the agency (Rättsmedicinalverket) carried out a total of 7,858 age assessments. Of those, examinations suggested 6,628 were 18 or older (84%), and 112 "possibly" 18 or older , The Local newspaper reports. The Migration Agency has so far made 5,700 decisions on the basis of those assessments. In 79% of those cases, the agency decided to formally consider the applicant as older than they had initially claimed in their asylum application, reports Svenska Dagbladet. Age assessment is carried out by taking X-rays of wisdom teeth and MRI scans of knee joints, which are then analysed to determine age. Many asylum seekers do not have identity documents as they may have lost them as they fled conflict or a natural disaster , says the International Organization for Migration. In other cases their country of birth may not have the structures in place to record births, so it is not unusual for people not to know their exact age, says The Local. When the Migration Agency assessed asylum seekers' ages last year, before the task was handed over to Rättsmedicinalverket, it formally increased the age of 17% of those whose age was in doubt. More than 80,000 minors (of whom 37,000 arrived in the country without a parent or guardian) applied for asylum in Sweden in 2015 and 2016, The Local reports. |
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looks like aul Angela is coming unstuck.
Angela Merkel may not be able to avoid a crisis after Christian Social Union leader Horst Seehofer rejected the Social Democrats’ migrant family reunification plans before coalition negotiations have even begun. The asylum seeker family reunification issue ultimately led to the collapse of the so-called “Jamaica coalition” talks late last month, when the classical liberal Free Democrats (FDP) pulled out of the negotiations. The Social Democrats (SPD), led by former European Parliament president Martin Schulz, said that migrant family reunification would be a condition for a new “grand coalition” — but this has now been rejected by Christian Social Union (CSU) leader Horst Seehofer, Die Welt reports. Seehofer, who recently announced he would be stepping down as Prime Minister of Bavaria but staying on as CSU leader, said family reunification “would be such a massive amount of immigration that Germany’s ability to integrate would be totally overwhelmed”. Estimates from earlier this year suggest that by 2018 around 390,000 Syrians with full asylum status or temporary asylum status would be eligible to bring their families to Germany. Merkel and her Christian Democratic Union (CDU) could also face opposition to a grand coalition from parts of the SPD as well. The youth organisation of the SPD, the Jusos, are against the idea of a grand coalition, with their leader Kevin Kühnert saying that they agree with talks but that the talks should not lead to a formal coalition. So far, the SPD has not formally agreed to hold coalition talks with the CDU as the party has decided to put the matter to a vote among the party members, which will be held on Thursday. Despite winning the national election in September, Merkel has not been able to form a working government. If she cannot form a coalition with the SPD, many expect there to be snap elections which would have to take place early in the new year. Recent polls show little change in polling for the SPD or the CDU/CSU, and the anti-mass migration Alternative for Germany (AfD) remains in third place. Some, like the youth branch of the CDU in Dusseldorf, the Junge Union, have called for Merkel to step down as leader of the party. Merkel has shown no signs of being willing to resign as leader, despite her election failure — though several prominent CDU members could potentially replace her. |