......Thurles Tomorrow.......

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jaysus its sizzling..whats going on so far out?

27k almost..

Tis Kavvie, scoped bad jolly reason, go on KL,do the damage.

ive a good bit done myself!!  got matched quick too..a bot gone mad is it?

I have taken 30% of the market covering the 4 that count....naturally with the jolly out, you are now tested to guess the likely sp's......I would give a tentative tissue of mystic, savingforv and late nite...all priced between 7/4 and 3/1....the market may come for one of the trio and it will tighten, my guess may be mystic as wadhams have a good record at this track and dickie is riding....shanandoa will be the 4th fav at around 9/2....the other 3 are 33/1 rags. I call this the santa claus bot.

My good God,tis mental. Santa Bot obliging to offers on Both exch.

look at the prices offered on  the atr web site? incredible if true?prob palp error tho?

I hope you all get money but when it looks to good to be true it generally is.

Back to Thurles.

12.40.
De Benno is locally trained,handles the ground and is on form.
1.40.
Agree with Workrider Myztique loves that ground,her only defeat was in a cracking race in Navan.
2.40.
I love improving mares and Perfect Woman fits that description,she's on the go a long while but seems to thrive on racing.
She was bred by an old friend of mine who Kavvie and Yummy must have known,he was from Newmarket On Fergus.
3.10
Haymount bumped into a good one last time here and has nothing to beat.
3.40.
The favourite Merry Night looked slow to me in Fairyhouse and is my Bismarck,he is back a half mile in trip a huge negative.
They didnt target him at two and a half mile bumper in Leopardstown which suggests he is not held in high regard.
Interesting that CheltenhamRoar has word for New To This Town as though the jockey is a negative the stable is certainly not.
Jury Duty comes from a stable that never shirks a Mullins hotpot and has Nina ( some ride on Commeragh Trix today )

4/1 is a great price for mystic sky.I see in the 12.40 at thurles teelin star has got a new trainer.Were ever his old one has gone?How teelin star has got a handicap mark is a  bigger question.

His old trainer has no licence and is presently paying bewigged gentlemen large amounts of cash.

Cloone what the fook are u on about? Not getting a mark?

A mark of 110? for UP/7FF/?

Go back to bed. It's not as if they were trying to hide it ability. They were mad to sell FFS.

Horse failed the vet numerous times.

Haymount lay of the day tomorrow.  Mall Dini very decent!!

So were did the handicapper get a mark of 110 out of??

I don't like that,he's my nap.

Is it just that you think Mall Dini is good or have you negatives for Haymount.

Haymount bar a fall will win tommorow.Mall dini will win races when he gets a mark.

Complete horse **** from clone river! Haymount is too short at forecast prices and is a lay.
Mall Dini will not be winning handicaps as he is thoroughly exposed!!!

He is thoroughly exposed even if he has not got a handicap mark yet????

Yes. Been placed in a maiden. Will likely get a mark around 105-110 which is about his ceiling. Not much leeway off that Mark. Haymount is no good so Mall Fini has a chance tomorrow

Mall dini has a chance if haymount falls or does not turn up.They are some trainers who do not like to win maidens.

Good to see strong opinions one way or the other ...

Good views on the card indeed.
No catch KL,i was wondering what it was and thought it was a technical thing that could be missing,no doubt you will have a nice green book,fair play to you.I didn't get massively involved but with a poor run lately it's a nice draw,thank you.

well called again bigwilly!!  on fire of late..

Booommm!!!!!!!!

Great stuff CR!

Very good CR.

Very good CR.

some tipping here of late...sizzling...well done chelt   you were rite it wouldnt be 8s..11 some sp?!!?

Happy days and a lot bigger than I expected

Wonky will be seething all the way home

id say he was dying to have a few quid on but he couldn't bring himself to do it,
Sure he told us he was on the jolly hope he didn't lose too much with Christmas around the corner

Nice one Chelts. That's a lot better than all these auld lads "napping" 2-5 shots . I see the wildman went in with his hero and also made Haymount his "bet of he day!!".
Maybe the wonk and the wildman met up today and are enjoying a glass of sherry in each others company???

Ah Jaysus I hope not, wonky on the alcohol is never a good sign.

Thanks chelt different gravy again another monster for inner circle
Well done Bws and kl strong opinions rewarded

cheltenhammuppet i see ur still stalking wonks daily on here

makes him feel better when hes picking on someone...pity cheltanhambore wasnt betting at thurles today or he mite have backed his own tip

Poor never gets out exposed again, remember you used to stalk wildman under your Alais poorpop, a fruit cake of the highest order.

kody/wft if u cant see why that was a reply to zodiac denying being daddio then u r more stupid than i thought

insideinfo • December 20, 2015 4:59 PM GMT
makes him feel better when hes picking on someone...pity cheltanhambore wasnt betting at thurles today or he mite have backed his own tip

Never get out do you remember stalking wildman under the user name your using now and denying it was you?
Absolute fruit cake

ah now you'd one or 2 aliases too chelt.

kody/wft if u cant see why that was a reply to zodiac denying being daddio then u r more stupid than i thought

at least chelenhambore will stop hounding workrider now for awhile

You mean like you hound half the forum never get out?
Bigmart, Crooser, Windsorboy, Wildman to name but a few,
Fruit cake.

crooser ??????????????????

now stop telling lies again stalker

well done workrider............................at last chelenhambore will stop hounding as hes stalking me and  a few of his regulars

Bored with you now never gets out.

Dec 20, 2015 -- 5:27PM, CheltenhamRoar wrote:

Bored with you now never gets out.

really ???????????????

go back to stalking workrider and numerous others again like u always do

Complete fruitcake ngu, this forum really brings out all kinds
Top stuff chelt your info is right up there with snaps all weather good things

Complete fruitcake ngu, this forum really brings out all kinds
Top stuff chelt your info is right up there with snaps all weather good things

In all fairness a great call Chimp , left before the bumper, was sitting with a smile on my face when Seabass turned in in front , then the realisation started to sink in , hes not stopping ....

Ah shame wonks, I've always had a soft spot for bumpers don't know why, hope you won a few quid me oul mucker

No done my pieces of silver , just watched it there , Katie's, whip action has improved , she actually looked well balanced in the finish , well done again hope you got plenty.

CheltenhamRoar • December 20, 2015 5:27 PM GMT
Bored with you now never gets out.

that didnt last long your still stalking on the horse forum

Dec 20, 2015 -- 5:29PM, TheWasp wrote:

Complete fruitcake ngu, this forum really brings out all kindsTop stuff chelt your info is right up there with snaps all weather good things

and the award for 2015's most boring, repetitive forumite goes to.......THEWASP!!!

Well done bigwilly.It will be nice to see what mark mall dini gets.He be some horse when he see a fence.

Will get 116+.  Wont be winning any handicap.  Will be a nice chaser.  Haymount is useless but might win a bad maiden.

Well done to Bigwillystyle and CheltenhamRoar both of ye in flying form although i dont get why Bigwillystyle was so hostile to the polite Cloone River.

There was a right crowd there probably the best of the year.
I wrecked the day by having a blackout.

I thought the price of Haymount was crazy so left it alone but 'twas the bumper that killed me.
I didnt fancy the favourite and was mindful of what CheltenhamRoar said here,I had a good look at New To This Town and liked him,I also liked the look of Articulum,Merry Night is an out an out chaser on looks.
I bumped into a corpulent gentlemen who is in the Harrington stable,he said no his money was on Jury Duty,I backed Articulum and had that horrible we all have had watching my net being beaten by my original selection.

It can be a cruel sport.

Any sign of Wonks there today, Borneo?

I forgot Borneo that you are adviser to the Brigadier's daughter regarding appeals. I would have thought Jessie would have told you about her winner in advance for services rendered.

Wildman I thought Kate was gonna muck it up in the final furlong, but done it well in the end.

He's a decent horse.

You know when you don't want one to win they always seem to be gazelling throughout the race.
If Merry Night had run on any other course I would have laid him for my max.

The pain ain't easing.

Wildman.It was the line to do with teelin star that may have something to do with it.

I couldn't understand how they arrived at that figure either.

They were all there today and punted the living daylights out of Teelin Star,this lad is rising 10 ran a lot better than I thought he would.

Teelin Star is some yoke , mother of Jesus , what a slow coach he is. It's hard to see him winning any kind of a race , as it's hard to believe he will ever find a weaker event . I'm ashamed to say I backed it myself, had a bad day also Dan but when your punting portfolio includes Pat Hughes Colm Murphy Mouse Morris and Sean Byrne, then you are really asking for trouble. What in the love of Jesus ever happened Colm Murphy, it's not long ago he was winning champion hurdles and champion chases, now you wouldn't back his with confidence in a 7 yo and upwards maiden in Kinsale

Teelin Star must have been rated on its run against Golanbrook where it fell 2 out.Bizarre to say the least that it got a mark at all.

Its an interesting insight into this forum that a genuine nugget of information has gone virtually unnoticed.Anyone with a bit of knowledge as to how to trade would have been able to get a decent touch from Keen Leader's tip off about the malfunctioning bot.It enabled those who took advantage of it to put themselves in a position which is the Holy Grail for a gambler..a guaranteed profit.Many Thanks KL...it covered the Christmas presents for me!

It hardly went unnoticed.
Pa Lapsy and Kavvie were publicly bathing their feet and lord knows who else was feeding.

I can't agree the holy grail for a gambler is guaranteed profit,that is the holy grail of the risk averse.
Where is the pleasure in risk free gambling.

If I had my way the risk averse merchants would pay higher commission,leaving the risk takers commission free.

It did not go unnoticed.They was over 60,000 matched by nine o clock in the morning.

I said virtually unnoticed. The amount matched could have been matched by a relatively small number of people drip feeding bets into the system.
It must have gone virtually unnoticed on the forum as the normal inane postings when someone puts up a winner is absent.Maybe those who took advantage of the error are not posters  of the booooooooooooom type.
I think wildman you misunderstand what happened.What you refer to as risk free gambling is not actually risk free at all.In the vast majority of instances the trader can only green up when the market moves in the direction he thinks it will.If it moves the wrong way he is left in a loss\loss position.The ability to read the market correctly is a hugely valuable and underrated skill and enables a punter to optimise his profit.
This instance could best be described as a bookmaker betting over broke.Guaranteeing a profit was one way of taking advantage of it but equally a person could keep backing his fancy and end up with 11\4 about a 6\4 shot.

I accept I'm miles behind here,I'm probably the only one here who gambles because I like doing it.

The last time a bot malfunctioned no one got paid indeed some of the risk averse gentlemen caught a cold,which is why I said if it looks too good to be true it generally isint.

Keen Leader is in a league of his own for winning threads,I hope he got plenty,no harm in some of these bots catching a cold.

The snag to me is Betfair are in cahoots with the bots,they want the bots to win,I wouldn't buy those Christmas presents just yet.

a few items,

glad some of you took advantage of real free money.....Wildman, I have no problem bleeding a bot, they are the jackals of this exchange and deserve the odd fleecing.

few items on Thurles

teelin star...his two pointing wins were freakish, I recall seeing the banned vet trying to get as much on as possible the first day at Kilworth. I know for a fact weld had put together an owners syndicate to buy him for 400k as a gold cup horse, even worked him on the old vic gallops with his rider atop. at the very last minute with the money in place, weld got cold feet. hard to say if teelin will ever win another race.

I did have a good punt on mall dini.....listening to chapman on atr he was prattling on about Haymount as a sure thing...why I just don't know.....he was a drifter at Tipp when winning a poor bumper and he placed second to an ordinary stablemate last time. those two runs were at 2 miles, and now all of a sudden he jumps to practically 3 miles against a proper stayer in mall dini. at 2 miles there may have been some justification for Haymount as a 1/2 shot, at 3 miles he represented a huge risk. once mincers pal was prepared to have a go on mall dini then he was a 6/4 shot in my book, the 6/1 on here was a premium price.

alas I did return some in the bumper. I had been told by the workrider that the Harrington runner rode like a slow yak in a schooling race a few weeks ago, as Wildman says "bubbly" confirmed this and those that I know in the stable were expecting little..i place laid it for  3 and 4 places and the rest is history. the runner up will improve a deal for the run and will be a  fair horse on nicer ground. I would remain sceptical on the winner and will be seeking to lay him at a future date to retrieve losses.

finally more free money tonight......first race at Lingfield tomorrow, the tissue fav is out...again the reconstructed market is offering value prices on the three that count...

.my idea of the sps are sherwoods 6/4, whos mickey brown 9/4, and western w 10/3....the latter may drift as newlands horses are sick......you can freely punt danvinnie(sherwoods) at 3.2 and Whos Mickey at 3/1......the santa bot is offering more goodies, naturally if you check the volume, you may note I have taken my fill....if you missed out last night, do take advantage this time.

....and a happy Christmas to one and all.

I must have been fed the wrong into so kl but as long as they win they can keep feeding me the wrong info, funny how racing works though that Nolan yoke was supposed to be the yards Christmas bonus and couldn't raise a leg, Jessie's yoke today from your info is a slow yak just goes to show ye these workriders are as thick as mince

My turnover at Thurles for last 5 years on Betfair
Horse Racing
Country    Horse Racing Track    Vol (GBP)    Comm (GBP)    Net P&L (GBP)
IRE    Thurl                    £27,896.62    £117.83            £1,282.32

the reason for the punting on that yak at the Dundalk was because dobbs was responsible, do you seriously believe the locals would be punting a yoke that Nolan was training?.

By the way there obviously not very bright down at Jessie's what was the name of the other bumper horse who hacked up on debut unbacked too, something with an Oscar in the name since been stuffed in a winners bumper

They are not a gambling stable.

That horse was Our Duke who won by a wide margin in Punchestown,he was hardly stuffed in his winners bumper in Navan.
He was beaten by a right horse in Death Duty,beaten half a length, Nina poached an easy lead and was far more effective in the finish than Kate Harrington,there were three winners left trailing in their wake.

The unusual thing about this is the owners of Our Duke are gamblers.

That's the one wildman, he's by Oscar though that's where the Oscar reference came from, well that's even worse so as he's clearly a very decent horse and they didn't know what they had, I doubt new to this town will be in the same league, that bumper didn't look up to much, I'd be a layer next time depending on price, but Jesse does ok with bumper debutants, she'd one of the first I'd look out for after the obvious Mullins and Elliot,
Meade not in the same league anymore.

That Oscar horse is a potential champion  but i would imagine soft ground is a must.
It is a cert the next time it runs in a winners bumper no matter what the opposition is.

Ozy asks the wildman did he see wonky at the meeting. The wildman ignores the question and rambles on. Now we all know the wonk hangs on his cyber friends every word, and made a considerable journey to Thurles in the, more than hopeful, opportunity of meeting his hero.
What does the wildman do? He totally snubs poor wonky yet AGAIN. Shameful behaviour.
And after "napping" the 2-5 shot Haymount, he then tells us he went off him!!! Great after timing.
Then wonky leaves before the bumper after harping on about Merry Night! Would you leave a football match with 10 minutes to go wonks?
Honestly, it's just as well these 2 sharp minds didn't meet........

The first in Lingfield provided an interesting insight into the merits of greening up or not.Having no opinion on the race I merely followed KL's views.I backed the 2 he was leaning towards for the majority of what I could get on and had a saver on Westren Warrior.I logged on 10 minutes before the race and both my main bets were trading marginally above the odds I had backed them at.However I had backed Westren Warrior  at 4.5 and was able to lay it off at 2.48.I ended up with no profit/loss on the winner and the rest of the field with a decent profit if either of the 2 main fancies won.No damage done.
The day before I had greened up all round with a decent profit.

Some would have made plenty on Mystic Sky but lost today.

However the moral of the story is if you get opportunities like the last 2 days you simply have to play.Its your attitude towards risk that should determine how you play.It was Keen Leader's eye on the ball which highlighted it.

It would be lovely if one was allowed.

Thick ,did ya read that in the mirror ... Chimp getting mixed up with Walshs getting weight in a h/cap ,telling us the bumper winner would not be 8s for long , how right the lad was there, its was nearly 20/1 on here , then blames his informer ffs , Laurl and Hardy the pair of them.....

Two big priced winners Saturday and Sunday wonky, how did you get on?

Good man wonks chelt puts up monster winner and you have a pop with this being your analysis
My last visit to a race course before Leopardstown, a relaxing journey at this time of year.
We'll start with the 1.40. Here I like Myztique , she ran in a very good Navan listed race with the winner been very highly thought of, never looked to get in a blow but ran on well towards finish not been hard push into the bargain ,I think they knew what they were taking on there , Monbeg Rose looked like one to take on after her last run, ungainly head carraige and looked for all the world as if it was all a bit much for her ,even with improvement from that yard  I'd be happy to go against her...
Daliyan is my choice in the 2.10, I like this ones attitude and its last run was full of promise with Barry aboard looks worth a punt. Just Cause is a promising young who will be better over fences , but again he is one whos attitude I like and having run here before , always a good thing, I'll give him the nod . Finally to round things off its Merry Night in the bumper , not only is it a topical tip but I feel punters will be stepping Merrily into the Thurles night after this result...

Ah good aul Waspy ,the NEW/OLD champion of the Mushrooms , I standby what  I wrote ,always MAN enough to put my head on the block ,unlike yourself dearie .

There is no doubt you are not the fizziest can in the fridge wonks but having a go off someone who has been banging in winners left right and centre, while you have put up loser after loser takes some doing.

You seem to forget I gave him congrats , its getting a little tiresome now the Mushrooms back slapping thing .

"poor card,you'd have to be a problem gambler to have a bet there tomorrow" were cheltenhambores first words on the thread...is it safe to assume he didnt back the horse he had "word" for or maybe he considers himself a problem gambler

then why  the gibberish at 18.37

Top stuff Chelt, 2 monster priced winners over the weekend

anybody following the 'bubbly' man are destined for the poorhouse , he backed Elliot's in the bumper himself.
I wonder why mincer didn't report backing a P Kelly trained winner , he hardly merits a top ranker.
Teelin star is an enigma , reported to be subject of a large offers after winning his bumper when still in the care of Pat Hughes.
now shows up in Liz Doyles care (interesting considering the case coming up soon regarding signature forging in the JH case.

Mincer 16.43,"it would be lovely if it was allowed"
Good idea why you said that however the daq actually took a bit to a tick less/same night befores mightn't always be the case but it was in fairnes for Fakenham. Given that over 70% of all bets through this exchange are bot it is a staggering number and has deviated from peer to peer in no uncertain terms in recent times.
The daq has been the "daddy" in bot terms probably since its inception,it is possible to play them(both exch) off each other though the daq takes a dim view of a little bit of the ould manipulation however.
Most likely it was an extremely greedy betfair bot that didn't get it right,why should the customer be winning when they are holding the funds.

all this talk of bots bores me , anybody in Thurles betting with real money would notice how often members of the ring to the ,MACHINE.
Daragh Fitz and Tracksports regularly do it in order to get their quota .
I thoroughly enjoyed my first trip to Thurles in a few years, the sight of Ken Whelan clearing the entrance area of silt was a precursor of things to come.
€15 entrance fee is in line with other tracks, 24 bookmakers formed a strong market ,I had no problem placing any bet I wanted and to my surprise unlike UK layers they don't have to hedge it into the machine before accepting the wager.
Good homely fare is served on stare supplied delph ware in a dimly lit canteen , price reasonably and good portion size compensate for lack of creature comfort.
track bias leans very much towards prominent racers with only the first winner making any ground in the straight.
all the usual big players in attendance including a few ex layers.
long live thurles and its quaint land that time forgot demeanour.
got word for the last winner but like most other posters wouldn't heed the advice. a small losing day but sure c'est la vie

Cheers snap, I'm just happy I made you lads a few quid too, always good to return a favour

Boring alright CC and i'd be from an era that wouldn't have a clue,saying that i'm fairly fascinated in the direction things are heading,it certainly seems to me to be evolving.
Glad you enjoyed your day there.
Nice thread and a real feel of racing from it with some great observations along the way also.

Mall dini gets a mark of 129.Will be hard to win a handicap off that mark.Sunday must have been the day.

New to this town a recent purchase from the Potts I see