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By:
TellTheKing
When: 21 Nov 15 18:58
Of course I was guessing in favouring Supersundae over Stone Hard. Anyone that got involved in the race, or indeed any race, is taking things on trust to one extent or another. If pressed for a selection / free bet on the race I would have certainly selected him. However, there were too many imponderables for me to have a bet (as I said in my original post). My post was a response to Callit’s selection of the winner as I thought the race was far from cut and dried. I wouldn’t have made any post simply saying I thought De Bromhead’s was going to win out of the blue.

Easy I have no great following for De Bromhead other than I respect him as a trainer. It has been a trait in many of his horses for the past six - seven years since the Potts came on board that his novices are generally fairly forward. If i was backing Stone Hard today I would have been fearful of Supersundae. I believe the last horse of his i actually backed was in June so I certainly wouldn’t consider myself a HDB groupie.

Again there’s an inconsistency running through everything you say. You’ve seen all these horses race (so have most people) previously and have a view. Yet you posted only hours ago that you never comment on horses that haven’t jumps experience. You’ve got a bee in your bonnet about me but in your myopic haste to have a go you’ve tied yourself in knots.
By:
easygold
When: 21 Nov 15 19:09
No TTK, guessing before a horse jumps a hurdle.... is a big no no....... U say u have backed odds on shots over hurdles first time out.... good luck with that.... 7/10 needed maybe 8/10 to make a nice profit no thanks........

Guessing is not good....... there are compulsive gamblers reading every word said for their next hit.........

After-timing..... I`m lost again.......... If I have studied a race I have no problem giving my opinion...... but I have no interest in races where I know I will certainly not have a bet on with so little form to go on. How could I.

Sure, Tony liked one in the 3.55... a race I went through to find a bet for 2hrs... didn`t like the Fav but couldn`t select a bet.... I had no problem sharing my view with the forum had I.
By:
koikeeper
When: 21 Nov 15 19:22
a race I went through to find a bet for 2hrs... didn`t like the Fav but couldn`t select a bet.

you must be struggling....
By:
easygold
When: 21 Nov 15 19:29
Yeah, Koi... its the only race at that card I liked yesterday..... sure 2hrs is nothing...
By:
pa lapsy
When: 21 Nov 15 19:35
Think Tulsa Jack will be nearer 7/2 than the current 13/2 tomorrow.
By:
easygold
When: 21 Nov 15 19:48
Hi Pa, this is a much tougher race for nearly 3x the money....... I can see s.p been 6/1
By:
pa lapsy
When: 21 Nov 15 20:00
In the sense he is meeting more 130's than 120's alright, a lot of them tomorrow are returning from last season, certainly deserves the go at this, very impressive last time and 9lb wasn't harsh. Looks sure to get a fast pace and the race will be run to suit. Think 7/2 will be near enough and would put my reputation on it except i haven't any Grin.
By:
easygold
When: 21 Nov 15 20:08
Na Pa, cant see the layers letting it go off lower than 6/1....... i will even say the exchanges may go 8.5 upwards....
By:
pa lapsy
When: 21 Nov 15 20:15
We,ll see, thought the post race comments on irishracing were easily attributed to to a conglomerate of politicians,post race euphoria or puke inducing,you can decide yourself.
By:
workrider
When: 21 Nov 15 21:22
Unlucky Tony ,Sargent was set to hose up imo before simply over jumping and coming down just as he was about to go and win his race.The amazing thing about that race was the winner was the only one NOT wearing boots, Smashing looked the part in the paddock and won very easily in the end, Martins looked as if the run would bring him on a ton .Ended up backing Monksland @ 9/4 early and thought Flanagan rode a very good race ,letting the horse find its feet after a early mistake, Noble Endeavor will win when wanted imo.Roi Des Francs looked an arkward ride to say the least, ungainly head carrige Cooper did well to get him as close as he did.
By:
easygold
When: 22 Nov 15 16:30
Hi Pa, he just couldn`t go with this bunch early doors who are a bit stronger than he faced before who keep a strong tempo...... a truly awful racefor a couple who fell.... Sad to see the other Meade horse put down....
By:
pa lapsy
When: 22 Nov 15 18:35
Was happy enough with him early but his jumping went to pot, you were right but he did face Riverside City last time and had that 32 lengths behind.
By:
kavvie
When: 22 Nov 15 21:16
callit betting on the short ones?!!?  i got 3 golfers off him last year 40/1 22/1 and 20/1  all won..price snedeker and yer man from south africa..short enough i suppose really!!??  tony 57 (and a few more) also backed one of the above im not sure which.he had 50stg at 20s..them prices are short enough i suppose!!??  he also tipped or at least put up  positive opinions about a few tasty priced  handicappers a week before cheltenham the last few years.  not all won but a few did at long prices..also beat the sp by miles..a shrewd boyo who when he speaks is worth listening to ...pre race as well which is very handy!!
By:
kavvie
When: 22 Nov 15 21:18
charl schwartzel   the sa golfer
By:
easygold
When: 22 Nov 15 23:24
A future star.... I didn`t see a future star....... but I will give u the benefit of the doubt and watch with interest with ur guess.
By:
callitasucit
When: 23 Nov 15 01:04
I love the way everything you don't agree with is guesses!!

TTK is bullying me now apparently. Brilliant!! I didn't see his comments on the race until last night, but as he says if one has an opinion, I would be worried if what was written on here disturbed that opinion.

What would you constitute as  a star??

Sprinter, Istabraq, Moscow, Kauto, Denman.......or just a grade one performer like Dynaste, Hidden Cyclone??

Either way, saying I didn`t see a future star....... is very easy, the likelihood being a horse doesn't make the big time.

Stone Hards bumper win at GP at the start of the year had the hallmark of a serious beast, and I would be very confident in my opinion of spotting a good 'un when it comes to the NH. Granted a clear run, I say he wins a Grade one as a chaser. And probably as a hurdler on soft ground. Any owner would call that a star.

Call me whatever you like, your a yellow sort the like of which I have no time.

I would respect TTK all the more for disagreeing with me. What good is a yes man?? He patently knows his racing, especially NH. I would rather converse with someone who has the belief and bottle to launch a counter argument than someone that just agrees.......or comes on after the event......mmmmmmmm
By:
easygold
When: 23 Nov 15 01:44
I will join in with the so called opinion about a horse that may be a special in the future months or year to come.... Plyonthepressure...... If I`m a yes man... that is a first...... Your the name caller...... a liar and a c--t how lovely language that is......
By:
Roger De Bris
When: 23 Nov 15 12:56
He's flying at home....4/6....cheers.
By:
Roger De Bris
When: 23 Nov 15 13:09
Very much advantage Supasundae....really????
Roll it Out has plenty in hand....okay...
Gary O'Brien has the in on the Gordon Elliott stable lads tips up Prince Of Scars....diversion tactics...sure....

Am I forgetting anything?
How much can you get wrong? Not having a go at TTK because there's nothing wrong with taking a view, that's what the game is all about.
But on this occasion you have to hold your hands up and say I was wrong, which TTK has done.

But callit loves a man who disagrees even if what he says proves to be all wrong on the day, so long as he doesn't have to give credit to Easygold.
Oh he never tips up before the race....he just did and the hatred is laughable...
Don't waste your time Easygold.
Leave it to the man who aftertimed his Cheltenham lays on the forum and then has the audacity to give stick to another poster for posting after the event.LaughLaugh
By:
koikeeper
When: 23 Nov 15 13:19
Roger, you are making yourself look a right pratt on here..... defending easy at every oppotunity... its ridiculous.
By:
Roger De Bris
When: 23 Nov 15 13:29
koi...you have history with Easygold. Your hatred seeps through. It's ridiculous.
What happened? He disagreed with one of your picks?
By:
koikeeper
When: 23 Nov 15 13:32
Only after the race Wink
By:
pa lapsy
When: 23 Nov 15 13:36
Roger, i'm being fair here, not knocking Easygold as it was his opinion and in fairness he put it up beforehand which was welcomed.
The Mallow race that Tulsa Jack won was considered too weak for the Troytown, other than Tulsa the two horses which contested that Cork Nat, finished 1st and 3rd yesterday(given the Mc Manus horse that could be let off but Kylecrue did hold that race form up).
So when you delve into the nitty gritty it is impossible to get everything right.
It isn't Callit or TTK that is the problem with threads,they make them in a lot of cases,it is a few bit players on the side.
By:
TellTheKing
When: 23 Nov 15 13:55
Roger you seem a rather docile fellow, a characteristic I've no great time for so I won't dwell on your post to long. If you can't tell that it was a tongue in cheek statement about GO'B's selection for the winner over Roll It Out then we are operating on two different wavelengths.

I think you'll find I have never criticised Easy's incorrect calls (and there were a few last week alone- the same as myself), especially when I haven't proffered a view beforehand. No-one is right all the time. Suffice to say I wouldn't have the self confidence in my punting abilities if my bank wasn't backing it up. You moan over two days, try going back over two years if you'd like.

I imagine Callit, like others, have taken issue with Easy's aftertiming. He has regularly criticised other posters after the event despite, as he freely admitted, not having an opinion before the event. There's a dichotomy that runs through much of what Easy posts on here that doesn't sit well with many posters. When challenged, Easy has also produced some fairly anaemic responses.

I genuinely wished Easy the best of luck with his selection yesterday. However, his behaviour after the race (far more bolshie regarding his viewpoint than he was beforehand) unsurprisingly riled various people up.
By:
mincer11
When: 23 Nov 15 14:06
Spot on Pa, its the people who cannot control the bitterness seeping through to these threads, thats where the real problem lies.
If we could somehow eliminate that, then that would be a great starting point.
By:
pa lapsy
When: 23 Nov 15 14:06
Credit to Easygold there Roger,he didn't fancy Tafteesh at all and in fairness was spot on.
By:
Roger De Bris
When: 23 Nov 15 14:19
Thanks for the compliment TTK....LaughI could say the same about the reverse characteristic from you...Wink
Unfortunately on a forum it his hard to read what people are really trying to say sometimes...
Debate after races is part of the game...you don't have to have put an opinion up pre-race to qualify.....
By:
callitasucit
When: 23 Nov 15 14:42
Esaygold is Roger Pa. There is no need to refer to one when talking to the other!

Roger De Bris • November 23, 2015 12:56 PM GMT
He's flying at home....4/6....cheers.


I assume you are talking about Beau Mome?!!

Where did I post that?WinkWink

Tis pretty sad Easy, when the only one defending yourself is.........yourself!!
By:
pa lapsy
When: 23 Nov 15 14:53
Ah this is all messing with my head.
By:
mincer11
When: 23 Nov 15 14:55
In fairness to you Pa, you didnt delay congratulating Easygold after tafteesh's race. A nice gesture on your behalf.
By:
pa lapsy
When: 23 Nov 15 14:59
Thanks Mincer,i was watching it,put your handbag away, i won't have said anything except twas well and truly stuffed.
By:
kavvie
When: 23 Nov 15 15:02
easier tipp a 1/3 winner than a 3/1 winner lads.!!
By:
mincer11
When: 23 Nov 15 15:05
Fair play pa, its only right that people are congratulated when they get things right.
Its nice to keep their spirits up.
By:
easygold
When: 23 Nov 15 15:10
Cal... I think u will get that comment was from Snap...... If u think I repeated a 4/6 shot to anybody else......... eh I wud be laughed at.... Ask ur buddy Snap... he put it up.....
By:
TheWasp
When: 23 Nov 15 15:11
Ya must congratulate gobber for calling that tulsa jack correct well and truly stuffed fair play
By:
pa lapsy
When: 23 Nov 15 15:12
Yeah nice to nice alright, previous post stated he got the Mallow race wrong imo, think it is fairly balanced all in all Mincer.
By:
TheWasp
When: 23 Nov 15 15:13
Id say he called it right pa got the sp more accurate and more importantly the result
By:
Snookerpunter
When: 23 Nov 15 15:15
He/Roger/You were talking to me Easy. Snap wasn't in the conversation, nor mentioned anywhere immediately before that.

You wouldn't have to mention it to anyone(I say Roger saw it through your eyesWink)
By:
Snookerpunter
When: 23 Nov 15 15:16
See how Easy.... it is to change names!!
By:
pa lapsy
When: 23 Nov 15 15:16
The sp was nearer alright, two horses well behind Tulsa were 1st and 3rd,wrong on that score.
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