gowran

Hi Pa, if they give it they have to take it..........

yes frank, im sorry to say that's racing..vautour did not impress there..but he won..

VAUTOUR (254) lack of fitness from an improved Ptit Zig (21) grade 2 Chaser BUT STILL WON.

I understand that Easygold but the bigger picture is that it wrecks threads, cracking threads between the recent Chelt and the Fairyhouse to a point, peoples knowledge shone through and my view is we are lucky they are taking the time and trouble to write up.

HAPPY with 4's for the GOLD CUP

Ruby said he will come on a lot for the run.

CORRECT PA   EVERYONE TAKES TIME GO ON THREADS NO POINT SLAGGING GOOD POSTERS OFF 

TELL YOU THIS TTK/CALLIT AND FEW OTHERS ARE SUPERB IN THER WRITE UPS EVEN WEN GET FEW WRONG

REVE4CAST DEFITLY RED/TEAFOURTWO  BOTH LOVE THIS GROUND

Pa, he is a big boy......... he comments all the time about stuff I write......... Look, he has a big fancy for DE Bromhead... first time out that there`s are are fitter than the rest first time out......... But if he goes over the results over the last few months he will see a different picture....
All basics comments .............. will nothing to back it up......... Blah, Blah

on Nick Williams' TEA FOR TWO as well

Indefensible the kind of aftertiming you are continuously doing gobber

Baradari in running looked good

Blue De Vega......... wud you get a grip

exactly, could be called the winner from a long way out

Skelton and Nicholls havin a good auld chat after that race

Kindly fook off back to Horse Racing Forum easygob, ta.

VATOUR on RUK now

Sorry Ozy...... just had to let TTK it`s not that easy....... blah,blah ...... about a trainer, blah,blah about bumper form ....... and then he is not having a bet..........
He could of easily encouraged a few people to back the loser........ who knows..... or even got someone to not have a bet on the winner....

But, sure I know nothing

RUBY HAPPY not concerned about jumping left as he jumped straight in Chelt. ROCK ON the 2.40.

but you didnt help anyone as you posted your advice after the race

*VAUTOUR

Sorry Wasp, I had nothing to comment on the race........ but if you like something today running anywhere let me know and if I have studied the race already I will give an opinion.

WD BARRY J GERATHY  Rock ON ! 96/1 treble


VAUTOUR now 6/1 ante-post jt-fav with PP for GOLD CUP (SHOCK - LADS cuts him to 7/2 !)

why comment after if you had no comment before

ANY THOUGHT ON THE REST OF THE CARD IN GOWRAN lads

would of had a right few bob if sergeant had stood up..

'SMASHING' WINNER !

TWO Steeplechase's to go at Gowran - OPINIONS ???

sorry I backed them singles and doubles ..r4 in smashings race..

WELL DUN  TONY   AND SMASHING   4/1 IR   AND ROCK ON RUBY BACKERS (GR

I didn`t have a bet in the race ....... and very rarely bet in races where there is limited form on that discipline before the off.(in-running maybe)
Maybe that had something to do with it............

BJG going for 4 timer with Henry's across the card double at Ascot - Crown Theatre for Henry De Bromhead at 3.15

*GERAGHTY ffs

vicangelome 3.55
ive just took 7/2 which I think is fair

Should have posted accums earlier (too late now) - but just lets say "there goes another account".
Conti, Endeavor & Behind The Wire still to go.

CUE CARD did it well

Nov 21, 2015 -- 3:00PM, tony57 wrote:

vicangelome 3.55ive just took 7/2 which I think is fair

Hi Tony, could struggle to get home at this venue..... It`s A LAY for me mate........

King George picture shaping up well today

CUE CARD  A HORSE IVE NEVER BACKED  IS SOME  HORSE AND FAR BETTER ANTEPOST BET THAN  VAUTOUR   IMO

NOT MANY CHELT CHAMPION BUMPER WINNERS GO ON  BE CHAMPION BUT THIS IS GREAT FOR TIZZARD AND PADDY BRENNAN

Awesome performance from Cue Card indeed, very disappointed with Vautour.

King George picture

1.Vautour 9/4
2.Don Cossack 7/2
3.Cue Card 5/1

Nov 21, 2015 -- 3:13PM, Catch Me ifyoucan wrote:

King George picture 1.Vautour 9/42.Don Cossack 7/23.Cue Card 5/1

That`s tight with Cue Card....... 5/1??

ANNIE POWER....."set back in training, maybe seen after Xmas or straight to Chelt" - Ricci

Catch Me ifyoucan  • November 21, 2015 2:54 PM GMT
[u]TWO Steeplechase's to go at Gowran - OPINIONS ???[/u]

FAIR RETURN in running ?

look good for a while...WD MONKS

Will the places be reversed next time in Leopardstown (Topaz) when both will be race fit?

The next time Robin faces Monksland....... I wud rather Robin........... Cooper was not interested whatsoever........... Racing five wide throughout...... and a Joe Fanny finish...

Agreed - Robin = Roi Des Francs ??????? I presume - Topaz - Tues 29th Dec - http://www.leopardstown.com/Ryanair_Day_/

Back to work at 4 - good day ! Kevin Kisner out later

Typo... Catch Me....

welldone easy your were spot on..

Yeah Tony, the jumping wasn`t there either today. Take care

Ah stop now Easy. You are making a right fool of yourself. I’d given you the benefit of the doubt that you knew racing, albeit that you were a watery aftertimer. On today’s evidence you are actually a hypocrite, incoherent watery aftertimer. I am surprised how someone thats allegedly six million points ahead this year could be so easily ruffled. Spoofer???? Bluffer???? Mmmm????

I thought it was difficult to be dogmatic about today’s race. Supersundae showed plenty of toe in his Ascot bumper win last year and the form of that race is very solid. There were reasons to believe he didn’t show his best on two runs for De Bromhead given he moved stables mid season. The vibes emanating from the yard the past few months have been very good about him. Stone Hard looked a good horse last year but is ultimately a three miler. I discounted their meeting in Cheltenham as clearly Stone Hard didn’t turn up.

Looking at today’s race, I thought the combination of jumping debut, the trip and the ground made it a difficult pick between them. Certainly couldn’t have had a bet at the available prices. I did think it was worth highlighting that caution should be exercised after Callit sounded particularly sweet on the winner. Haven’t seen the race but, as it happens, the support for Stone Hard was proved to be justified. Well done to those that followed that one in.

Some of you statements above, as has been noticed by others, are utterly illogical. You had a pop and subsequently tried to defend yourself by stating that you don’t have views on horses that don’t have previous jumps experience. Only an idiot could reconcile those two actions in their own head. You also conveniently ignored the fact that the winner was also a jumps debutant. If you were any way consistent you’d have been chastising the posters who tipped Stone Hard.

It’s a complete red herring saying that people could have been swayed by what i said. If they are any sort of punter they stick to their own selections and aren’t influenced by what a randomer says on here. Also, the only definitive view I had on today’s card (highlighted days in advance) was that White Arm wouldn’t be mapped.

No TTK, that`s where ur wrong...... punters on this site are reading every thread to get a help in hand........ Of course I have seen every race these well regraded horses have done and have a view..... But to come on and to comment blah blah ............ Are you related De Bromhead..... oh sorry Henry.....
Have a good look and see how many first time out winners Mullins has had in the last three months and have a look at D Brom.......

Even havin a comment on the race is just so poor....... We all know Calit.... likes a bet on the short ones.... but to come on a talk nothing about a race like that one is just poor....... So what whichever wins........ So What....... with so much guessing involved....

You say now TTK it was hard to be dogmatic about the race but your comment was "it's very much advantage Supasundae"....

Easygold has a point, you had no bet on the race but could easily have put some who had a view on the race off.
Was Easygold wrong to say you were guessing??? I don't think so.

Of course I was guessing in favouring Supersundae over Stone Hard. Anyone that got involved in the race, or indeed any race, is taking things on trust to one extent or another. If pressed for a selection / free bet on the race I would have certainly selected him. However, there were too many imponderables for me to have a bet (as I said in my original post). My post was a response to Callit’s selection of the winner as I thought the race was far from cut and dried. I wouldn’t have made any post simply saying I thought De Bromhead’s was going to win out of the blue.

Easy I have no great following for De Bromhead other than I respect him as a trainer. It has been a trait in many of his horses for the past six - seven years since the Potts came on board that his novices are generally fairly forward. If i was backing Stone Hard today I would have been fearful of Supersundae. I believe the last horse of his i actually backed was in June so I certainly wouldn’t consider myself a HDB groupie.

Again there’s an inconsistency running through everything you say. You’ve seen all these horses race (so have most people) previously and have a view. Yet you posted only hours ago that you never comment on horses that haven’t jumps experience. You’ve got a bee in your bonnet about me but in your myopic haste to have a go you’ve tied yourself in knots.

No TTK, guessing before a horse jumps a hurdle.... is a big no no....... U say u have backed odds on shots over hurdles first time out.... good luck with that.... 7/10 needed maybe 8/10 to make a nice profit no thanks........

Guessing is not good....... there are compulsive gamblers reading every word said for their next hit.........

After-timing..... I`m lost again.......... If I have studied a race I have no problem giving my opinion...... but I have no interest in races where I know I will certainly not have a bet on with so little form to go on. How could I.

Sure, Tony liked one in the 3.55... a race I went through to find a bet for 2hrs... didn`t like the Fav but couldn`t select a bet.... I had no problem sharing my view with the forum had I.

a race I went through to find a bet for 2hrs... didn`t like the Fav but couldn`t select a bet.

you must be struggling....

Yeah, Koi... its the only race at that card I liked yesterday..... sure 2hrs is nothing...

Think Tulsa Jack will be nearer 7/2 than the current 13/2 tomorrow.

Hi Pa, this is a much tougher race for nearly 3x the money....... I can see s.p been 6/1

In the sense he is meeting more 130's than 120's alright, a lot of them tomorrow are returning from last season, certainly deserves the go at this, very impressive last time and 9lb wasn't harsh. Looks sure to get a fast pace and the race will be run to suit. Think 7/2 will be near enough and would put my reputation on it except i haven't any .

Na Pa, cant see the layers letting it go off lower than 6/1....... i will even say the exchanges may go 8.5 upwards....

We,ll see, thought the post race comments on irishracing were easily attributed to to a conglomerate of politicians,post race euphoria or puke inducing,you can decide yourself.

Unlucky Tony ,Sargent was set to hose up imo before simply over jumping and coming down just as he was about to go and win his race.The amazing thing about that race was the winner was the only one NOT wearing boots, Smashing looked the part in the paddock and won very easily in the end, Martins looked as if the run would bring him on a ton .Ended up backing Monksland @ 9/4 early and thought Flanagan rode a very good race ,letting the horse find its feet after a early mistake, Noble Endeavor will win when wanted imo.Roi Des Francs looked an arkward ride to say the least, ungainly head carrige Cooper did well to get him as close as he did.

Hi Pa, he just couldn`t go with this bunch early doors who are a bit stronger than he faced before who keep a strong tempo...... a truly awful racefor a couple who fell.... Sad to see the other Meade horse put down....

Was happy enough with him early but his jumping went to pot, you were right but he did face Riverside City last time and had that 32 lengths behind.

callit betting on the short ones?!!?  i got 3 golfers off him last year 40/1 22/1 and 20/1  all won..price snedeker and yer man from south africa..short enough i suppose really!!??  tony 57 (and a few more) also backed one of the above im not sure which.he had 50stg at 20s..them prices are short enough i suppose!!??  he also tipped or at least put up  positive opinions about a few tasty priced  handicappers a week before cheltenham the last few years.  not all won but a few did at long prices..also beat the sp by miles..a shrewd boyo who when he speaks is worth listening to ...pre race as well which is very handy!!

charl schwartzel   the sa golfer

A future star.... I didn`t see a future star....... but I will give u the benefit of the doubt and watch with interest with ur guess.

I love the way everything you don't agree with is guesses!!

TTK is bullying me now apparently. Brilliant!! I didn't see his comments on the race until last night, but as he says if one has an opinion, I would be worried if what was written on here disturbed that opinion.

What would you constitute as  a star??

Sprinter, Istabraq, Moscow, Kauto, Denman.......or just a grade one performer like Dynaste, Hidden Cyclone??

Either way, saying I didn`t see a future star....... is very easy, the likelihood being a horse doesn't make the big time.

Stone Hards bumper win at GP at the start of the year had the hallmark of a serious beast, and I would be very confident in my opinion of spotting a good 'un when it comes to the NH. Granted a clear run, I say he wins a Grade one as a chaser. And probably as a hurdler on soft ground. Any owner would call that a star.

Call me whatever you like, your a yellow sort the like of which I have no time.

I would respect TTK all the more for disagreeing with me. What good is a yes man?? He patently knows his racing, especially NH. I would rather converse with someone who has the belief and bottle to launch a counter argument than someone that just agrees.......or comes on after the event......mmmmmmmm

I will join in with the so called opinion about a horse that may be a special in the future months or year to come.... Plyonthepressure...... If I`m a yes man... that is a first...... Your the name caller...... a liar and a c--t how lovely language that is......

He's flying at home....4/6....cheers.

Very much advantage Supasundae....really????
Roll it Out has plenty in hand....okay...
Gary O'Brien has the in on the Gordon Elliott stable lads tips up Prince Of Scars....diversion tactics...sure....

Am I forgetting anything?
How much can you get wrong? Not having a go at TTK because there's nothing wrong with taking a view, that's what the game is all about.
But on this occasion you have to hold your hands up and say I was wrong, which TTK has done.

But callit loves a man who disagrees even if what he says proves to be all wrong on the day, so long as he doesn't have to give credit to Easygold.
Oh he never tips up before the race....he just did and the hatred is laughable...
Don't waste your time Easygold.
Leave it to the man who aftertimed his Cheltenham lays on the forum and then has the audacity to give stick to another poster for posting after the event.

Roger, you are making yourself look a right pratt on here..... defending easy at every oppotunity... its ridiculous.

koi...you have history with Easygold. Your hatred seeps through. It's ridiculous.
What happened? He disagreed with one of your picks?

Only after the race

Roger, i'm being fair here, not knocking Easygold as it was his opinion and in fairness he put it up beforehand which was welcomed.
The Mallow race that Tulsa Jack won was considered too weak for the Troytown, other than Tulsa the two horses which contested that Cork Nat, finished 1st and 3rd yesterday(given the Mc Manus horse that could be let off but Kylecrue did hold that race form up).
So when you delve into the nitty gritty it is impossible to get everything right.
It isn't Callit or TTK that is the problem with threads,they make them in a lot of cases,it is a few bit players on the side.

Roger you seem a rather docile fellow, a characteristic I've no great time for so I won't dwell on your post to long. If you can't tell that it was a tongue in cheek statement about GO'B's selection for the winner over Roll It Out then we are operating on two different wavelengths.

I think you'll find I have never criticised Easy's incorrect calls (and there were a few last week alone- the same as myself), especially when I haven't proffered a view beforehand. No-one is right all the time. Suffice to say I wouldn't have the self confidence in my punting abilities if my bank wasn't backing it up. You moan over two days, try going back over two years if you'd like.

I imagine Callit, like others, have taken issue with Easy's aftertiming. He has regularly criticised other posters after the event despite, as he freely admitted, not having an opinion before the event. There's a dichotomy that runs through much of what Easy posts on here that doesn't sit well with many posters. When challenged, Easy has also produced some fairly anaemic responses.

I genuinely wished Easy the best of luck with his selection yesterday. However, his behaviour after the race (far more bolshie regarding his viewpoint than he was beforehand) unsurprisingly riled various people up.

Spot on Pa, its the people who cannot control the bitterness seeping through to these threads, thats where the real problem lies.
If we could somehow eliminate that, then that would be a great starting point.

Credit to Easygold there Roger,he didn't fancy Tafteesh at all and in fairness was spot on.

Thanks for the compliment TTK....I could say the same about the reverse characteristic from you...
Unfortunately on a forum it his hard to read what people are really trying to say sometimes...
Debate after races is part of the game...you don't have to have put an opinion up pre-race to qualify.....

Esaygold is Roger Pa. There is no need to refer to one when talking to the other!

Roger De Bris • November 23, 2015 12:56 PM GMT
He's flying at home....4/6....cheers.

I assume you are talking about Beau Mome?!!

Where did I post that?

Tis pretty sad Easy, when the only one defending yourself is.........yourself!!

Ah this is all messing with my head.

In fairness to you Pa, you didnt delay congratulating Easygold after tafteesh's race. A nice gesture on your behalf.

Thanks Mincer,i was watching it,put your handbag away, i won't have said anything except twas well and truly stuffed.

easier tipp a 1/3 winner than a 3/1 winner lads.!!

Fair play pa, its only right that people are congratulated when they get things right.
Its nice to keep their spirits up.

Cal... I think u will get that comment was from Snap...... If u think I repeated a 4/6 shot to anybody else......... eh I wud be laughed at.... Ask ur buddy Snap... he put it up.....

Ya must congratulate gobber for calling that tulsa jack correct well and truly stuffed fair play

Yeah nice to nice alright, previous post stated he got the Mallow race wrong imo, think it is fairly balanced all in all Mincer.

Id say he called it right pa got the sp more accurate and more importantly the result

He/Roger/You were talking to me Easy. Snap wasn't in the conversation, nor mentioned anywhere immediately before that.

You wouldn't have to mention it to anyone(I say Roger saw it through your eyes)

See how Easy.... it is to change names!!

The sp was nearer alright, two horses well behind Tulsa were 1st and 3rd,wrong on that score.

Unfortunately my bookie doesnt pay out on horses that were behind my selection the last day
Maybe things are different in the rebel county

You aren't grasping the point, the form of the race was dismissed as it being a weak race,it wasn't as it happens.
Tulsa didn't jump,what harm,it happens.

If you  were to take the form literally then yes but as you know these handicappers tend to have big targets and leave the literal form well behind
No harm at all in putting selection up before the race just congratulating easygob on the excellent advice he was spot on

Right an all too,he isn't a bad judge.

Different gravy so good he ran scared when a 'bluffer' like snap challenged him

Exactly Pa, he is a great judge more like, once the race is over .

Meeeeeeeeeeeioowwwwww.