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France 16-1
I think France will beat Ireland,avoid New Zealand and make the semi final and then have an even money chance of making the final.The warm up games have proved that Ireland are vulnerable but worse,tactically have been sussed.
I am going for the trade here and if everything goes to plan will re-evaluate at the semi final.
Cheers and gl.
I think France will beat Ireland,avoid New Zealand and make the semi final and then have an even money chance of making the final.The warm up games have proved that Ireland are vulnerable but worse,tactically have been sussed.
I am going for the trade here and if everything goes to plan will re-evaluate at the semi final.
Cheers and gl.
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Best thing to happen Ireland has been losing the last two games. Dampens down expectation.
Have no doubt that they will beat France. How any French coach can continually pick the same donkeys in the side repeatedly is beyond me. As has been said above Michalak is a flake. when the going gets tough he will be nowhere to be found. How they dropped Trinh Duc is beyond me. They have Spedding at full back which says it all, and that show pony at No 8. Added to that they have Fofana who has never passed the ball in his entire career. They are the most ill disciplined side in the tournament with Pape and the No 8 who are penalty machines.
New Zealand are a serious lay. McCaw slipping, Carter not at the races(Wouldnt mind the last Aus match, he is miles off the pace), Nonu, Smith all getting on in years. They are always at their weakest in the year of the world cup and it looks that case again.
Have no doubt that they will beat France. How any French coach can continually pick the same donkeys in the side repeatedly is beyond me. As has been said above Michalak is a flake. when the going gets tough he will be nowhere to be found. How they dropped Trinh Duc is beyond me. They have Spedding at full back which says it all, and that show pony at No 8. Added to that they have Fofana who has never passed the ball in his entire career. They are the most ill disciplined side in the tournament with Pape and the No 8 who are penalty machines.
New Zealand are a serious lay. McCaw slipping, Carter not at the races(Wouldnt mind the last Aus match, he is miles off the pace), Nonu, Smith all getting on in years. They are always at their weakest in the year of the world cup and it looks that case again.
I have to agree with you Willy about N.Z. being a lay, ..2.3 to win the world cup for a team that has never won The Webb Ellis Cup outside there own land is the bet for me. I backed Ireland a good while back at 12.5 h..hope they lose there complex about the big one.
BWS, not sure what French no. 8 you are refering to as a 'show pony' and 'penalty machine'. Picamoles is the No. 8, and I can only assume you have not seen him in the warm up games? He has lost a lot of weight and was fantastic in the two games against England, head and shoulders the best Forward on the park. Huge talent.
Whist the Boks have an easy pool, they will likely have to beat all 3 of the top teams in the market to win it. Possible but not for me.
Whist the Boks have an easy pool, they will likely have to beat all 3 of the top teams in the market to win it. Possible but not for me.
Did anyone hear George on Newstalk today (Thurs)? He said that the four semi-finalists would be 'South Africa, New Zealand, England and Australia'. That's a pity George as no way can these four be the semi-finalists, George said lines like 'if I was a gambling man' (he used to be) he'd back these four to be semi-finalists. He musn't have looked at bookies sites as this quartet is not even listed as a potential semi-final quartet; they cant be.
Strange to hear the otherwise well-informed George coming out with this forecast......
Strange to hear the otherwise well-informed George coming out with this forecast......
A big problem for Ireland is,they cant afford to have any injuries to key personnel,Sexton,Murray,O'Brien,Heaslip and O'Connell going into the french game.
I was in PP today and they were offering what they call a Daily Power surge between 5.30 and 6oc on the Rugby world cup, todays special 'South Africa, New Zealand, England and ireland all to win there Pool groups 10/3, Foremites like Oz and Callit would know better then myself if these bets are worth takeing.
That would have represented a bit of value today Frank.
Taking Boyles prices, which would be the best accumulated on them 4, the acca would pay just under 11-4. Taking the best price on each with various bookies, would yield just over 11-4. That obviously isn't possible.
The accumulated betfair odds would be currently a shade over 10-3, but slightly under after commission. So if you fancied the 4, it would be a good bet. Usually a max of a ton on these though??
The majority of the time these specials are not actually a good price, just mug bets dressed up, and under the actual odds.
Taking Boyles prices, which would be the best accumulated on them 4, the acca would pay just under 11-4. Taking the best price on each with various bookies, would yield just over 11-4. That obviously isn't possible.
The accumulated betfair odds would be currently a shade over 10-3, but slightly under after commission. So if you fancied the 4, it would be a good bet. Usually a max of a ton on these though??
The majority of the time these specials are not actually a good price, just mug bets dressed up, and under the actual odds.
Well, its a boost of less than half a point over the market. Big challenge for England & Ireland to finish ahead of Australia and France respectively. Not for me.
I am not a rugby punter but as a sports fanatic will be interested in most games.
I think handicap punting in all sports is generally for mug punters as it's rare that you can align the interest of your handicap bet with the complete interests of the teams involved (regardless of how the game evolves). Bookies often take the draw as a bonus on already 100% +O/R'S.
However the forum could do with some sports threads and a bit of life so daily threads on spreads etc might be interesting.
I think handicap punting in all sports is generally for mug punters as it's rare that you can align the interest of your handicap bet with the complete interests of the teams involved (regardless of how the game evolves). Bookies often take the draw as a bonus on already 100% +O/R'S.
However the forum could do with some sports threads and a bit of life so daily threads on spreads etc might be interesting.
The ability to handicap is what separates the men from the boys,the winners and the losers,the mathematical analysis of all the varibles and imo DJ you have no idea of how to do that and you are a
You haven't an iota about any aspect of punting Kingrat as evinced by all your posts on here.
You're bookies fodder who plays on novelty markets with extortionate O'R's such as HT/FT and 3 way handicaps.
There isn't any mathematical analysis to your selections as we saw with your laughable selections in the challenge with PA on here.
You're what is described as a non-price sensitive (mug). Generally putting up 6/1 shots that were trading at double figure odds on here.
Despite your hot air and occasional C+P, you're a punting green horn and not one of much potential either.
Lose your health - Lose something
Lose your integrity - Lose everything
You're bookies fodder who plays on novelty markets with extortionate O'R's such as HT/FT and 3 way handicaps.
There isn't any mathematical analysis to your selections as we saw with your laughable selections in the challenge with PA on here.
You're what is described as a non-price sensitive (mug). Generally putting up 6/1 shots that were trading at double figure odds on here.
Despite your hot air and occasional C+P, you're a punting green horn and not one of much potential either.
Lose your health - Lose something
Lose your integrity - Lose everything
Sorry,I just dont respect you mate when it comes to betting.
I would be worried if you did.
I don't respect your opinion on anything RK.
Some nice selections you have being putting up on the HR forum recently with the normal results.Unplaced.
I am surprised no one has taken you up on your offer of the big ticket swap.
I don't respect your opinion on anything RK.
Some nice selections you have being putting up on the HR forum recently with the normal results.Unplaced.
I am surprised no one has taken you up on your offer of the big ticket swap.
ah no,be honest,you obviously monitor me a 10-1 and 4-1 winners out of 5 selections
do you want to take me on and prove it?
one of the tip lads has swapped(they are in the minor final)confident of getting the other hill ticket.
a 10-1 and 4-1 winners out of 5 selectionsdo you want to take me on and prove it?
one of the tip lads has swapped(they are in the minor final)confident of getting the other hill ticket.
The smileys are a fantastic invention, they offer the illiterate a way of communicating on here.
I don't think anyone on here would be having a bet with you with your previous form. Shameless.
Kingrat - It's obvious by even glancing at your posts that you don't even understand the most basic concepts of gambling.
Anyway I know it's rare anyone communicates to you on here so will leave it at that and enjoy the match on Sunday from your mother's bedsit.
I don't think anyone on here would be having a bet with you with your previous form. Shameless.
Kingrat - It's obvious by even glancing at your posts that you don't even understand the most basic concepts of gambling.
Anyway I know it's rare anyone communicates to you on here so will leave it at that and enjoy the match on Sunday from your mother's bedsit.
I dont know you from Adam mate but have reduced you to personal insults because I have criticized your betting.tbh your ego and arrogance scores more highly than your IQ,think about that mate,here endeth the lesson.
sorry bardo and fellow forumites,lets get back to the issue at hand.can the french put it all together?they have got the players and a deep squad of talent.
You have to admire the bookies in their assessment of these spreads.
They pitched the handicap at 42 points,Ireland cover it by a point.
They pitched the handicap at 42 points,Ireland cover it by a point.
Ireland to win -37.5 points 2.02 here , as you say wildman good judgement.
What a game, well done Japan, best game of rugger for a long time.
My son was telling me that Japan hit 400/1 in running.
Bravery rewarded,Could have taken the easy option and kicked over for the draw.But they sensed a piece of history!!
the all blacks had too much quality in the end.. argentina had them on the ropes in the first half
Aah lads, I know it has to be paid for, but all the ads., someone's taking the p1ss. Two ads after the National Anthems is a bit much, and we can't even switch to the Beeb. at the breaks.
Its a pity tv3 dont have Neil Francis as part of their panels.I have read some of his stuff and its hilarious but there is alot of substance to his analysis.
Neil Francis wouldn’t know what day of the week it is. A complete talking shop.
Couldn't agree more, he's a buffoon. Possibly the most yellow player to ever be capped, I cannot take him seriously.
He has a turn of phrase and is mildly entertaining in print but that's where it ends.
He has a turn of phrase and is mildly entertaining in print but that's where it ends.
30 or 40 caps I think.
The common tagline for Franner is "The most talented Irish Lock of his generation, just a pity he never showed it".
The common tagline for Franner is "The most talented Irish Lock of his generation, just a pity he never showed it".
He had all the ability in the world...size, athleticism...is probably the best natural lineout jumper we've ever produced..but he was a flake, never got stuck in.
I asked the great Doyler about my defensive alignment off scrums only to be told, "If the Pope comes round the side of the scrum on a Honda 50 you just tackle him". Inspirational! All my problems solved.
England v Wales no place for the meek so far/ great atmosphere
Aussies worth an interest in outight market at 8.8 imo.
Despite what happened tonight England at 9/1 here is a fair bet,They got a right kick in the ass tonight and they will learn from it.
Or they could fold like a pack of cards,I'd fancy the Aussies to beat them.
I cant say i was to impressed with the Aussies C.R...I backed Uruguay to beat them with a 66.5pts start [1.87] on saterday morning,down to 1.64 now
Uruguay try hard but they couldn,t tackle a paper bag.
Australia have a scrum, two world class opensides, a good coach, game breaking backs and have beaten the All Blacks this year. For me that's an impressive collection of facts.
Just made my bet
What a game England and Australia will be now, Your might be on the ball with Australia OZY
What a game England and Australia will be now, Your might be on the ball with Australia OZY
f anyone is looking for a bet for an interest....
Think Strauss anytime tryscorer at 3/1 is worth an interest.
Also Madsers at 11/8.
Think Strauss anytime tryscorer at 3/1 is worth an interest.
Also Madsers
at 11/8.
Madsers 6/4 on here.
First scoring play...Ireland penalty 13/8.
First scoring play...Ireland penalty 13/8.
Ireland v Romania in Wembley Studium IN front of 90,000 people , maybe the biggest crowd ever at a World cup game . NOT MANY WOULD HAVE FORECAST THAT THIS TIME LAST YEAR.
i didn,t think a game between the teams would draw a crowd like that, Looks like i was wrong.
Ireland in the World Cup at Wembley on a Sunday?
Shure isn't every second Paddy living in London?
Shure isn't every second Paddy living in London?
Like the Beatles song says..I Should Have Known Better
80,000 x £120 sterling to watch them hammer a country that doesn't even play the game, there's more than you that should know better Frank.
Decent entertainment to be fair, can't see anyone feeling short changed.
A world record attendance for a RWC game.
A world record attendance for a RWC game.
This Sinead bint on TV3 is starting to get on my wick. Could we not have found a bird with more Montrose tones?
Otherwise TV3 doing a good job. Barnes & Toland are good co-commentators, excellent panelists in the studio and plenty of time given to chew the fat after the event.
90K turnout for a game that was always going to be a walkover?
true what they say, theres no poor Irish rugby fan.
true what they say, theres no poor Irish rugby fan.
England are in big trouble here.They murdered the Welsh set piece and yet didn't win the game,gave away too many cheap penalties but the Welsh try was absolutely brilliant.Ireland were workmanlike but i would say Schmidt knows his first fifteen now for the French game.
oh yeah!I am looking forward to this game,England v The Aussies.Australia will win their own ball on their line outs and scrums,thats a given.England are under the cosh here.I have a few cold ones for this one.
Bye bye England bye bye . Still scratching my head as to why they were a 4/1 shot to win the World Cup .
The second try for Australia was top class,Foley looks the real deal.
Congratulations to all Australian backers!
Congratulations to all Australian backers!
The English Economy will lose a Estimated 3billon over the result, "Thus Saith the man on the box.
Tell us this Kelly,what is the mood and general consensus down in Kerry?I would say it goes along the lines of "something needs to be done".tbf to them,they will be back.
tbf to them,they will be back.
Dont know the mood in Kerry , kingrat , I was away in Spain for the match and for 9 days after that . The Dubs played well , so Kerry will realise that , the weather was not conducive to good football , and I think Kerry made several blunders re personnel during the match . Whether that was down to injuries will only emerge in the course of time .
Still really only 3 good teams in the country , the rest are a good bit behind . There will be no panic in Kerry , remains to be seen whether some of the older hands will pack it in county wise .
Still really only 3 good teams in the country , the rest are a good bit behind . There will be no panic in Kerry , remains to be seen whether some of the older hands will pack it in county wise .
As you say frank , a win is a win . Ireland were disappointing today , Italy we know are no world beaters , and we struggled to scrape a win , with a green spectacled ref too . Conor Murray was pretty dire , unless he was under instructions to kick everything or to protect Sexton .
Just wonder what we beat in 2 previous games , hype machine a go go possibly . We are now the best supported team in the competition I suspect , bums on seats wise , but think we will need more than that to get our hands on the Cup .
Just wonder what we beat in 2 previous games , hype machine a go go possibly . We are now the best supported team in the competition I suspect , bums on seats wise , but think we will need more than that to get our hands on the Cup .
Payne injured, Earls at 13 
. Would be very worried about him up against Basteraud and Fofana.
. Would be very worried about him up against Basteraud and Fofana.
Hopefully Oz Irelands win over the Germany will Boost Morale for the French game.
Tonga plus 41.5pts to beat N.Z. to night is a fair bet [2.02 here]
imo that was one of the best collective performance from an Irish pack that I have ever seen.It was brutal and savage but they pulverised a heavier French pack,destroyed their line out and reduced the French to panic.I dont know but I think the the sight of the great warrior and leader O'Connell on the deck galvanised them.And what about Madigan?he brings a more exciting off the cuff dynamic than the cerebral Sexton,his passing and darting runs was surperb.
Now, back to business,I think the bet is f**ked but make no mistake the French pride has took a battering and they will be slaughtered back home.I expect them to regroup and will give the All Blacks a game but I doubt it will be good enough but you never know.
Btw I think it has been a great tournament so far and with more to come.
Now, back to business,I think the bet is f**ked but make no mistake the French pride has took a battering and they will be slaughtered back home.I expect them to regroup and will give the All Blacks a game but I doubt it will be good enough but you never know.
Btw I think it has been a great tournament so far and with more to come.
It's been brilliant. Atmosphere at the stadium yesterday was off the charts.
Something a bit off abut that pic, Pa. A bird sh1tting on a child, a child who may not be the full shilling. You also have a picture of another deformed young boy in your gallery?
Cad e an sceal? Do we need to alert the authorities?
Cad e an sceal? Do we need to alert the authorities?
France have looked very poor for the whole tournament, and though they have a good recent record over NZ in the big ones, its very hard to see where this team is going the necessary improvement to get the All Blacks out of third gear.
Nothing really jumps out at the prices though.
Australia look a bet minus 15 against a truly awful Scottish side.
Nothing really jumps out at the prices though.
Australia look a bet minus 15 against a truly awful Scottish side.
Is there Oz? Shure he loves his pics and think it is very apt myself.
Going on now a long time on every thread and funnily enough it is me you are trying to castigate?
Going on now a long time on every thread and funnily enough it is me you are trying to castigate?
You miss the point, Pa. I have no problem with pictures, in general. It's just that yours seem to be drawn towards young boys and young boys with deformities. I find it a little unsettling....you think you know someone ...and then...
Your deflection isn't working as you again evade the point,why?
It doesn't matter,i haven't the slightest interest in conversing with you.
It doesn't matter,i haven't the slightest interest in conversing with you.
Why? Why do I have problem with you collating photos of young boys and young boys with deformities? You really need to ask that question?
And you accuse me of deflection?
And you accuse me of deflection?
You have some warped mind. Presume you are talking about the trick photo of the red haired fella?
Only reason i downloaded this one is actually the mental picture of yourself came into my head.
Only reason i downloaded this one is actually the mental picture of yourself came into my head.
There's that one (a vulnerable, innocent boy in repose in sailor costume, looks as though he may have learning difficulties) and the photo of the child with the deformed head.
Almost all of your photo's appear to feature young boys, and young boys with deformities. Why are you drawn to these images?
Am I the only one concerned here?
Almost all of your photo's appear to feature young boys, and young boys with deformities. Why are you drawn to these images?
Am I the only one concerned here?
You appear to have removed or deleted the image of the young boy with the deformed head.
Covering your tracks?
Covering your tracks?
Do you not think pa?that you have made enough of a fool of yourself in the last week,best to keep schtum is my advice.You dont want to be doing a Wonks.Hold on to your dignity ffs.
Sound for the advice,go back on to the golf thread yourself and take a slow long read.
Goodluck Ireland, there will be a few bruises at the end of this game.
From the moment Madigan gave away the first try we were on the back foot , fair play to the Argies they played well . Proves again that you need a very strong squad to survive the physicality of rugby these days .
Ireland are not simply good enough to win at the highest level . Team spirit can let you survive in the Six Nations , but 6 losing quarter finals for Ireland tells the story .
Ireland are not simply good enough to win at the highest level . Team spirit can let you survive in the Six Nations , but 6 losing quarter finals for Ireland tells the story .
Our outhalfs let us down at Crucial parts of the game Kelly, Sexton and sean o'brien a big loss. New Zeland look a great bet for money on backers [1.73 now]
Anybody know what the weather is like in London?
Cheers.
Cheers.
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