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Ozymandius
02 Sep 15 13:13
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as gleefully declared by a certain poster looking to denigrate certain segments of the population?

Well, of course not!

Which two countries are the kidnapping capitals of the world? Australia and Canada!!!!

Official figures from the United Nations show that there were 17 kidnaps per 100,000 people in Australia in 2010 and 12.7 in Canada.
That compares with only 0.6 in Colombia and 1.1 in Mexico.

So why haven't we heard any of these horror stories? Are people being grabbed off the street in Sydney and Toronto, while the world turns a blind eye?

No, the high numbers of kidnapping cases in these two countries are explained by the fact that parental disputes over child custody are included in the figures.  If one parent takes a child for the weekend, and the other parent objects and calls the police, the incident will be recorded as a kidnapping, according to Enrico Bisogno, a statistician with the United Nations.

Comparing crime rates across countries is fraught with difficulties - this is well known among criminologists and statisticians, less so among journalists and commentators...and those with agendas!

Now, The Swedish police did record the highest number of offences - about 63 per 100,000 inhabitants - of any force in Europe, in 2010. The second-highest in the world.

On the face of it, it would seem Sweden is a much more dangerous place than these other countries.  But that is a misconception, according to Klara Selin, a sociologist at the National Council for Crime Prevention in Stockholm. She says you cannot compare countries' records, because police procedures and legal definitions vary widely.

"In Sweden there has been this ambition explicitly to record every case of sexual violence separately, to make it visible in the statistics," she says.

"So, for instance, when a woman comes to the police and she says my husband or my fiance raped me almost every day during the last year, the police have to record each of these events, which might be more than 300 events. In many other countries it would just be one record - one victim, one type of crime, one record."

The thing is, the number of reported rapes has been going up in Sweden - it's almost trebled in just the last seven years. In 2003, about 2,200 offences were reported by the police, compared to nearly 6,000 in 2010.

So something's going on.

But Klara Selin says the statistics don't represent a major crime epidemic, rather a shift in attitudes. The public debate about this sort of crime in Sweden over the past two decades has had the effect of raising awareness, she says, and encouraging women to go to the police if they have been attacked.

The police have also made efforts to improve their handling of cases, she suggests, though she doesn't deny that there has been some real increase in the number of attacks taking place - a concern also outlined in an Amnesty International report in 2010.

"There might also be some increase in actual crime because of societal changes. Due to the internet, for example, it's much easier these days to meet somebody, just the same evening if you want to. Also, alcohol consumption has increased quite a lot during this period.

"But the major explanation is partly that people go to the police more often, but also the fact that in 2005 there has been reform in the sex crime legislation, which made the legal definition of rape much wider than before."

The change in law meant that cases where the victim was asleep or intoxicated are now included in the figures. Previously they'd been recorded as another category of crime.

So an on-the-face-of-it international comparison of rape statistics can be misleading.

Botswana has the highest rate of recorded attacks - 92.9 per 100,000 people - but a total of 63 countries don't submit any statistics, including South Africa, where a survey three years ago showed that one in four men questioned admitted to rape.

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Factual Sources (for those with the mental capacity to open links!)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19592372

Well done to  Sweden for standing up for women and for not making it a taboo to report rape and crimes against women.
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Report kincsem September 2, 2015 2:39 PM BST
Julian Assange says no.
Report workrider September 2, 2015 4:17 PM BST
A little bit like the reported Race cases recorded HERE I'd say .
Report wildmanfromborneo September 2, 2015 10:03 PM BST
Not an original word from the opening poster,just a verbatim quote from a biased sociologist.

South Africa has the highest instance of rape and violent rape,Sweden is second

Its nonsense to claim that the rise in rape in one of the most sexually liberal country in the world is down to women reporting it.
Its down to the influx of North African migrants.

The figures are so stark the Swedes have refused to allow the nationality of the rapist to be stated.
The sentences passed down on some of the gang rapists have been risible,political correct judges have been lenient because they are adjusting to life in Sweden.
Report Ozymandius September 2, 2015 10:15 PM BST
The aim is factual accuracy, not originality.

The increase in rape statistics have been adequately explained above. 

The stats have been intentionally misread by a number of groups with a racist agenda, trying to frame immigrant men as rapists. The theory spread rapidly among people who wanted to believe it and didn't or couldn't check the source
Report wildmanfromborneo September 2, 2015 10:22 PM BST
You get one biased nonsensical report and that's it.

Its not husbands having non consensual sex with their wives,its not women learning to report the crime,all the violent rapes are committed by North African immigrants,the gang rapes are the speciality of the Somalians.

The women of Sweden know who the culprits are,its not uncommon for Swedish women to dye their hair or wear a headscarf to put off their would be attackers.
Report PBK September 2, 2015 10:29 PM BST
I don't don't know the facts regarding the rise of rapes in Sweden, however the influx of North African immigrants is to be welcomed as they will work for the minimum wage which is great for the corporate world we all find ourselves in now Plain
Report Ozymandius September 2, 2015 10:31 PM BST
Every racist anti-immigration website peddles this 'Rape Capital of the World' nonsense, despite the fact the stats are comparatively meaningless because they cannot be compared on an apples to apples basis, not to mention the fact that over a  quarter of the worlds countries don;t even publish the stats.

According to USA Today reporter Kevin Johnson "no other major category of crime – not murder, assault or robbery – has generated a more serious challenge of the credibility of national crime statistics" than rape

Still makes for a great soundbite for those with an agenda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics
Report PBK September 2, 2015 10:33 PM BST
Ozy you didn't say "Hi" Sad
Report Ozymandius September 2, 2015 10:34 PM BST
Hi PBK Cool

My Chelsea investment this season is not looking good.
Report newapproach September 2, 2015 10:37 PM BST
I'd be interested in the statistics for Britain if anyone has them off-hand. Reading newspapers etc , there seems to be a massive increase in rapes by non nationals such as the case during the week in a shopping centre car park and an attacjk in a ladbrokes shop a while back
Report PBK September 2, 2015 10:39 PM BST
Hello Ozy my punt on City not big enough Sad Have to say for no particular reason your still a kn0b LaughWink but it's been pretty quiet/boring on here without you ! Sadly nither of us can take the p1ss out of each others respective teams for varying reasons, it started for us with Jose getting rid of Eva  Angry
Report wildmanfromborneo September 2, 2015 10:42 PM BST
Swedish women know the danger,the Swedish government brought in a law preventing the press referring to the nationality of convicted rapists to stop a backlash.

I don't normally like anecdotal evidence but my son lives outside Malmo,he wants to move.
His wife is Swedish and works in Malmo,she wears a headscarf,all her friends are frightened,the figures are frightening.

There is even a problem with some Swedish migrants crossing over to Norway and committing crime.

Malmo will shortly be a Muslim city and is favourite to be the first under Sharia Law.
Report PBK September 2, 2015 10:47 PM BST
Putting aside any crime statistics real or perceived, Europe can not take this big influx of people. It will only lead to trouble, while Germany have and are going beyond the call of duty. There are elements in their society that won't tolerate it. And before people get on the racist bandwagon, look how the South Africans treat the Zimbabweans who have fled to South Africa. Although to mention black on black violence will to the PC brigade probably deem me racist Plain
Report Ozymandius September 2, 2015 10:51 PM BST
Borneo, are any of your offspring coping with the demands multiculturalism?  They say the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
Report PBK September 2, 2015 10:51 PM BST
Sad day Wildman, I can't believe Sweden has gone this way. I can remember about thirty years ago a story where the authorities would take into care Indian girls who were being forced into arranged marriages. If I remember correctly all the girls had to say was "They were not being allowed to grow up in the Swedish way"
Report Ozymandius September 2, 2015 10:51 PM BST
* demands of
Report wildmanfromborneo September 2, 2015 10:58 PM BST
I don't impose my views on my children,my son in Sweden is married to a Swede he would be like most Swedes incredibly liberal.

His attitude is changing,his wife's attitude is changing.

The most popular party in Sweden at the moment are the Swedish Democrats,they are anti immigration.

Are you still insisting there is no rape problem in Sweden ?
Report PBK September 2, 2015 11:03 PM BST
I watched a programme the other night on Channel 4 this young lad said when I get to England they will give me a home and benefits "Yeah right, dream on" was my response. Needless to say at the end of the programme there he was in a flat in Glasgow and getting benefits. I'm pretty sure there plenty of British citizens who could of done with that flat. Fu ck me, now Emma Thompson is banging on about letting the migrants in, pretty sure they won't be her neighbours. She now gone on to say if they were white we would have a different response, don't think the Poles, Romanians etc feel welcomed with open arms. One thing I hate more than the left is the rich left !!!!!
Report Ozymandius September 2, 2015 11:11 PM BST
I have never insisted that there is no rape problem in Sweden.

My issue is with the misleading assertion that it is the 'rape capital of the world'.  It isn't.

Incidentally rape incidents tend to be higher in countries with high alcohol consumption and reduced sunlght hours, such as Sweden.  Also global rape incidents are thought to be trending upwards due to increased porn useage and what is known as the Saville effect whereby women are more prepared to come forward to make reports.  These need to be factored in to any analysis of recent trends.
Report wildmanfromborneo September 2, 2015 11:16 PM BST
Klara Selin certainly is.

Its unremittingly sad that a lovely country like Sweden has descended into this,the fear is palpable.
Report PBK September 2, 2015 11:16 PM BST
I don't know how there could be a league for want of a better word when sadly many rapes go unreported and in a lot of societies the victims are outcast even by their own families.
Report wildmanfromborneo September 2, 2015 11:25 PM BST
That may be but they know the number of violent rapes being committed in Sweden,they know the number of gang rapes and they know who's doing them.

Sweden is second only to South Africa in that ignominious league.
Report Ozymandius September 2, 2015 11:27 PM BST
No, it's not.
Report wildmanfromborneo September 2, 2015 11:32 PM BST
You are in denial.

The Swedes know,the South Africans know and you can defend your beloved religion of peace members but that won't change it.
Report Ozymandius September 2, 2015 11:36 PM BST
Your assertion is false.  Simple as.  Presumably you are aiming for dramatic effect.
Report PBK September 2, 2015 11:40 PM BST
Again going back many years there was a Black gang in Brixton called the "Jackals" who went around mugging people, when the ringleader was caught and questioned he was asked "Were any of your victims black"? "No they were all white" was his response. Clear cut racist attacks you would think and be registered so. Metropolitan police recorded them as "Financial gain attacks" at the same time as they were peddling their bullsh!t how you were three times more likely to be a victim of racial violence if you were of Asian or Caribbean decent, I'm afraid to say the powers to be have ways of playing with the figures Plain
Report wildmanfromborneo September 2, 2015 11:42 PM BST
'twas you gave out the figures.

You then came out with the bogus excuse that it was all wives reporting husbands for old rapes or even more risible women only now reporting rapes.

" simple as " I'm surprised you didn't print FACT after your statement that usually clinches it in the eyes of the deluded.
Report Ozymandius September 2, 2015 11:47 PM BST
What figure did I give out about violent rape?

You seem incapable of comprehending.  I have gone to considerable lengths to illustrate why Sweden is not the 'rape capital of the world'.  The same principles apply to your assertion about it being 'second in terms of violent rape'.

Honestly, I don't know why  bother.
Report wildmanfromborneo September 2, 2015 11:55 PM BST
Your biased article gave out the figures with the risible excuse

Your new position seems to be I don't know the figures for violent rape but will just keep on asserting that its all down those nefarious husbands.

You are incapable of rational argument,you can't think on your feet but you can put up a funny picture,stick to it your followers enjoy them it helps them understand whats going on.
Report Ozymandius September 3, 2015 12:04 AM BST
Comparative League tables for Rate Stats (violence or otherwise) are worth didly squat for reasons given. It's hard to be more rational than that.

Night, Jim Bob.

p.s. FACT!
Report wildmanfromborneo September 3, 2015 12:15 AM BST
Its not rational.

Even were we to accept what you say as being true all that would mean is you don't know.
Yet here you are claiming that you do know.

I can't put up pictures I can only spell it out to you but your intolerant mind is so closed you can't bear to hear anything bad against any immigrant.

As previously stated your hatred of your own and love of the strange has rendered you incapable of rational thought.
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