THE CURRAGH TREBLE

Twud be a worry alright TTK!!

I think this treble will come up.

I hope it clicks for the Roadrunner.

Found is my nap,I think she is a n exceptional filly.
They obviously think so as well as they rate her higher than any of their colts ( Gleneagles the exception ) as they are contemplating running her in the Derby.

Gatsby is my nap, Urban Moon,and Silwana.

Found is my nap

Not going so well now

The Grey Gatsby never raised a leg today. Time will tell but the result probably didn’t help the cause with the Pattern committee. I took that result on the chin. However, my bet on Golden Spear to steady the ship was tough to take. Harvey will have some fun with that horse off his mark.

He prob head for the 1m4f hcp Derby Day. Could still have enough in reserve after that for the Premier hcp Fri eve of Galway.

Callit I’m not sure he’s even a 1m4f horse in truth, just was horsed in at the weights. He’d run well in a Galway Mile. He needs to win before getting into those races though.

All his English form is at shorter and he travelled all over them today. If he got the rub of the green in Galway there would’t be anything finishing stronger. All academic anyway until Harvey decides his plan.

There's probably truth in that. Lordan does come across as a meek enough character. Even in terms of jockeys he is fairly waif in size.

Golden Spear looks a small enough type, bit of a pony neck too. He's definitely at least a 90 horse though. Yesterday should have been the first of a lucrative summer in good handicaps.

It's also true about Quinlan though he has inadvertently proved a useful for the owners as he's provided them with a such a well handicapped horse in a similar manner to that fella that had Quick Jack (albeit he was sold) and Dark Crusader plus a good few more before Harvey got them.

*Ya don't retain Moore to explain the mitigating circumstances in defeat. The best jocks just come out the right side of the 50/50 calls. Moore does generally in fairness but I thought he failed to pick up on how flat Gleneagles was as well and that might have cost him in a better renewal. I'd say Gleneagles might have had it easy since Newmarket given they were facing essentially the same horses he beat easily and they are now looking to just get over Ascot in the same manner and have him right for the Sussex and QEII where he'll need to be closer to his Newmarket form.

I think he is the best around and by some way but I was just a little taken aback by how Gleneagles didn't seem to do things as quickly as previously. Won snug in the end anyway and can definitely see the logic of not hitting the front too soon on a track like the Curragh. Sometimes if it isn't a push button job but more a grinding one I like to see them placed a little more forward. I guess I'm the same fella who was lambasting him for his ride on Telescope a few weeks ago!

I think he is very unlikely to go the Derby route for 2 reasons, 1) he looks a miler, but 2) and more pertinently, Coolmore are desperate to stand themselves an out and out miler son of Galileo. Rip Van Winkle isn't perceived that way and doesn't have the strength in his damside anyway. The idea that Gleneagles woyuld get a mile-an-a-half, even around Epsom (don't think he would) would be harmful to the image they'd like to portray of him. The idea of a tenderly handled Gleneagles (ridden patiently to get the trip) and creeping (staying into 2nd 3rd or 4th) would quite frankly frighten the hell out of them.

I think they have reconciled with themselves that they won't win the Derby and that the best outcome for them is to prevent a colt from a rival doing it and getting the kudos. Thus they are likely to run Found or Legatissimo or both. The Oaks doesn't really mean much to them bussiness wise so I wouldn't be surprised to see them stick Curvy in that an send the two fillies to the big one to spoil the party. They wouldn't or shouldn't be too put out if the Oppenheimer horse (**** sire) or the other Gosdon horse Jack Hobbs(too backward) Elm Park (perceived as slow) won it though, none of them will make stallions. Zawraq has the sense of a fast classy horse (who won at 2) like Golden Horn has but he is by a decent sire, that would probably be the worst result for them but I don't think they are really bothered by shadwell. What they don't want is a Godolphin/Qatar winner so they're safe enough.

Surprised as well although I considered him a fast horse and he had his 2yo form in the Tyros Stakes which is hardly backend, still v surprised. Just saw the news of Bill O'Herlihy, the lad accross from me here got a bit emotional as he told me, started talking about the world Cup in 2002, bit of all of our youth went with him I think.

Rip Van Winkle's dam side is all speed.

I was very surprised to see him get the distances he did and that is down to just what Galileo can influence in addition to class.

No surprise to see him get speedy types.

DV, I rememeber reading on the bloodstock forum that those who saw Rip described him as lengthy and more of a middle-distance type in terms of looks. I don't know much about his damside at all but was sure I'd heard it was from Italy and not really much to write home about. I'd always thought that the ability in this case had come through the sire and that even though I thought Rip was a fast horse based on his Sussex run, his Derby and the Juddmonte run at 4 say otherwise and then combining this with his physical makeup I thought he might get stayers if he was really stamping his stock in his own image.

As AOB is so fond a saying about various charges, Rip was a horse with a turn of foot who stayed well. His most optimum trip was a mile in my book as evidenced by his Sussex win over Paco Boy. That was the best run of his career. Given he started his career in a 7f maiden on Derby weekend I am sure they saw him as a stayer in the beginning. If he came along now with speed being such an important buzzword for the PR he probably wouldn't have run in the Derby.

Kevin Ryan wouldnt train a cat to drink milk, and thats the long and short of it. A nothing trainer.