Obviously he wasn't able to go wide when he made the decision to go onto the rails inside Bolger's horse after a furlong. Despite being drawn in six he put the horse's chance in the hands of the gods from there.

Easy you may well have the game by the balls and are cleaning up. However, it takes a fair man to not talk sense even when he knows the result of a race. Certainly a sign that someone should be given a wide berth when level headed posters like Tolmi take you to task. Especially so when you spend your day opening threads on the main forum that no-one reads about nothing riders giving bad horses dodgy rides. A waste of time if ever I saw it.

The thing is Tell The King, you come across that u have the game by the balls, and like your selection last night, Coldstonesober???? I just had to let you know where you where going wrong...... 2 miles at Ballinrobe on good ground, never going to happen. Did I spoil your party???

Regards, to Golden Spear you need to watch the first 200 yards again........ he held his line, looked left, and the bolger horse took is spot, from there on he was stuck in a pocket, face it, it happens.

People have a go when I come on after the race.......... but everyone is quite when I give my opinion before the race......... and just wait for the result and hoping my opinion is way off to have a go...... but the opinion if right and you`s are like sleeping babies all quite....... the thread`s are read but all very silent, just hoping????? A sign of ........ sheep....... sheep follow sheep.

I smiled when I heard that Bolger comment DJ, I think he'd be the only man with the balls and type of humour to say something like that. You look at some of the young up-and-coming trainers in the UK particularly, the likes of Varian and Botti and they would bore you to tears.

Ger Lyons here is prone to a c untish comment, such as when I heard he called out the ground staff at Cork, was wrong in his assertions on the day and never acknowledged it. At least he'll say it though if he feels it needs to be said. He had a go at Varian over pulling Kingston Hill from the Irish Derby & running him on the same ground over the wrong trip in the Eclipse, predictably there was no riposte. I enjoy the likes of Bolger & Weld and would fear for the future in that regard.

One thing I'll say about Moore and Coolmore, while it is all about winning, I do think Moore will have to learn the importance of appearances. In Stoute, he was riding for someone who never considered commerciality when training/campaigning a racehorse. He has changed his ways a bit already in his post-race interviews on Coolmore horses, ie. if the fastest miler they've ever had has to come off the bridle 3 down at the Curragh, remember to mention he hated the ground! Even better if he could keep him on the snaff a bit longer though!

Yeah if the 8's held I'd have backed him. Probably only for fifty but I'd have backed him. You won't go too far wrong backing 8/1 shots that return 9/2, as you say yourself, over a large number of races. His second over two miles around the sharper hurdles track gave me hope he'd handle the speed test in quite a poor race. Turns out he didn't.

I've had a betfair account in my own name since I turned 18 so that's nearly 8 years ago. Been posting on here for most of that and I've only ever noticed you after timing. Take care......

The one good thing about this site is that nobody loses, it really is a marvellous place.

so found was beaten by a TEOFILO filly, do you remember the gobshoites telling me how crap that stallion was
and DARK ANGEL, go and have look at the top flat racing sires tables / top sires of 2yo olds. those thick ****s are now making me look like a genius. you know who you are

Im not doubting you for a moment Tell the King, genuinely i'm not. I think i could decipher from peoples posts whether they have the capacity to win or not, and i can see from what you write ,that you have a good knowledge and a little info as well.
But the place is littered with so called winners who wouldnt know what day of the week they have, people who unfounded high opinions of themselves.
I myself wouldnt be a long term winner either, like most i'd have good and bad runs, but i dont mind admitting as much.

Hi Tolmi....... no Fast pictures needed for my way...... my opinion is made a long time before the race is off and typed in as a keep bet....... My criticizing of riders, is usually ones that have done it a lot of times in their career, and think they are the proper professional. The amount of errors some make time an time again is not allowed to go unnoticed.
Even the best make a lot of errors, but make up for it 5 times over. The problem is the rules........ 95 winners and your a professional a lot of riders in my opinion would need to ride 250+ for me to call them a true professional.

And to answer, my lost of investment on a horse race because of the rider who does a poor job, is frustrating........ if the normal person today makes the same mistake time and time again they would be idle.
Some riders need to be told, time and time again what they are doing wrong...........

James Doyle, is known as a top jock.......... have a look at his ride on Alfajer today (4.00 Leic) a so called professional and that`s the way he thinks he should ride a horse that is dropped down in trip....... appalling effort, and yes I was involved in a e/way double.

This is my work, and I work very hard at it, I expect the same from them.

I would have thought surely that fast pictures would increase your profitability greatly especially nearer the latter part of a race?

One thing I have learnt over many years backing horses is that its very easy to blame jockeys when they may have made a mistake but it is equally easy to forget all the times you back a winner that was the beneficiary of a poor ride on one of his opposition..We just don't think that way.

I found in my younger days that I did more damage punting when I was angry at a poor ride on a horse that I felt should have won.Now I try to maintain a state of equilibrium either way.The luck evens out over a sufficient sample size.

I also try to factor jockeys into my thinking when I have a bet.If I back a jockey whom I dislike normally I prepare myself for the worst and consider it a bonus if he gets a good ride.

Tolmi........ again I make my decision before the race starts......... a profile horse will be layed at a certain price and that`s done and dusted, if it reaches the price I put in well an good if not no harm either. (These are horses that I feel hold a lot back for themselves)

Regards to jockey`s...... I have a long list that I`m wary of......... myself I lower my stakes (i.e points system) and that way has done me well over the last 10 years.

Telltheking........ yes the price was too small for me to tip-up for a single........ my average price is 15/2 a year) but big enough for an e/way double. The ride was deplorable, and he did something like that in the last too.