What a put down by Gerry Adams

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Padlock,
I didn't see any post by you on the thread "European Elections" or was it the name Adams annoyed you, dick.

The spread on the number of labour seats in the next general election with Paddy Power is a fantastic bet but a long wait and also problems with it being a thin market.

Under 15.5 @ 5/6 -Rabitte,Quinn,Howlin,Gilmore etc are not guaranteed to contend. They will be fortunate to have 6% of the vote and will be surprised if they make it into double figures.

no wan sun expect the usuals to be a little bit touchy over the next few days.........as you said what a line by GA......

Buffett's net worth would not balance their fiscal policy though. It will be interesting to see how it develops now that more attention should be focused on their policies. Are they not implementing austere measures in the North Richters while simultaneously disputing every stealth tax or service cut here (without any mention of the country's continued requirement to borrow one billion per month to function)?

the country is in some state when we are voting gunmen  and women in......people with no acumen whatsoever.....still they don't call us thick paddies for nothing......

you gotta love paulie..doesent care..

paulie - Is that not what most governments in the World are?  Blair took his mob into Iraq looking for WOMD which never existed.

paulie whats new about gunmen/women and indeed gun runners being voted into councils and governments in ireland,has it never happened before?im baffled how one would find this strange......

he never said it was strange.............

......people with no acumen whatsoever.....
no we should stick to people that know what they are doing like the Healy-Reas or Mattie McGrath or Ollie Wilkinson or even Eamon O Cuiv......to name but a few. As for gunmen you sound like a man/woman who'd be in the Dev camp.

the only thing Gerry ever successfully put down was his gun.

sure he wasnt even in the ira

agree with paulie,says alot for the voting public when murdering scumbags get elected.

So let's just play along then just out of normal curiosity.
Has anyone ever asked Mt. Adams something like the following ?
About 40 odd years ago in W Belfast young men were joining an organisation called the IRA in large numbers for what they thought were valid and compelling reasons. Given the nature of life in that area at the time , the charged atmosphere , if nothing else -the obvious peer pressure that would have existed...  why did you not join the IRA  -especially in view of the constant support for their methods and objectives which you expressed for many decades ?

Or maybe I've missed it and the question has already been put . Does anyone know ?

the country is in some state when we are voting gunmen  and women in.....

LOL...

i must say i really think this has to go down as the best post ive ever read on the irish forum,either paulie is a bit slow on the uptake on irish history or his blinded hatred of sinn fein has clouded his judgement on this subject.....

vub 2 questions?

1.Was former government minister pat rabbitte a member of the official IRA (the stickies )
2.Was tainaiste eamon gilmore a member of the official IRA

your answer most likely will be i dont know or neither do i care......

The point being it is relevant know and over the last 5 years to ask such questions to stem the 32 county growth of sinn fein and the republican movement,

another question

Why werent these questions asked of adams in the 80s?

Answer:Because sinn fein werent a threat politically either in the 6 counties or in the west brit state....

6 counties, 26 counties, 32 counties.
That's Sinn Féin talk.

regardless of the talk could some of the more intelligent or cambridge read forumites answer my question to vub above,perhaps the d`ozy fella or indeed dj could shed some light on it....

The reason Adams cannot admit to being n the IRA was shown by his political arrest last month.

Nelson Mandela was lauded here by some sycophantic liberals,he wasn't a gunman he was a bomber.

Nearly every member of the first Dail was a gunman.

If you want peace in the North you must accept that the past is just that the past.
Dredging up forty year old crimes be it the work of IRA men or British soldiers is stupid as well as being unfair.

Paulie Wallnuts consistently calls us thick Paddies,complains about the politicians we vote in yet he himself doesn't vote.

I couldn't be bothered voting dan.....look at the yokes we as a nation elect......the shinners......ming.....Wallace....lowry....healy rae.....and there are countless others.....
How can you take your right to vote seriously when so many others obviously aren't.......
At least by abstaining I can say I didn't contribute to the election of these morons we elect.....
I see the people of Kerry gave one of them healy raes enough votes for 3 quotas.....the same guy was giving the thumbs
up to drink driving......
so we have ming for smoking pot.....healy rae for drink driving......Wallace for knocking all round him......and lowry for doing what lowry does best......we are a proud nation....we have so much to be proud about....

wildman maybe you could confirm this,your fellow county man,the railwayman from the galtee mountains.it was water pistols and smoke bombs they used then wasnt it........it couldnt of been real guns and bombs,and noone was murdered and all that.....right.....

Sinn Fein's greatest weakness is not their evasiveness surrounding historical events but their evasiveness and inability to construct a coherent economic policy that has a semblance of realism or sustainability. Unfortunately our leaders are either incapable of interpreting this or are too consumed participating in Punch and Judy politics.

They're the ultimate party of opposition,are they not implementing austere measures in the North Richters while simultaneously disputing every stealth tax or service cut here without any mention of the country's continued requirement to borrow one billion per month to function?(as stated above).

A glance at Sinn Fein's proposed policies
Property Tax abolished
Universal social charge extirpated
A cut in health in expenditure of €205.9 million (very precise but plucked out of the sky and completely unattainable)

How will this be financed?
An increase in corporation tax which will result in mass capital emigration and a destruction of FDI in Ireland.
They propose a personal tax rate of 48%.
This part is laughable now apart from opposing every stealth tax,their estimates for tax revenue incorporate the future proceeds from these taxes.

The sooner the conversation moves to a pragmatic debate on realistic policies and away from the troubles the better.However the naivety of the Irish electorate seems to be boundless.

dj how many of the blueshirt/sticky coalitions policies from the last general election have been implemented,just as a matter of interest....as you have rightly said before,these policies are not worth the paper they are printed on,it is the policies that the civil servants devise that are fronted and used by serving governments.....

Dan Breen was an elected TD,he would be described by the precious ones as a gunman.

He was a gunman and a ruthless one at that,he was fighting a war.
There was no one trying to charge him in the 1960s for something he did in Soloheadbeg.

Sinn Fein as their name suggests should be anti the EU but I think they are going native.
I personally would never vote Sinn Fein but I accept it was easier for me living in Tipperary than it was the people who bore the brunt of the excesses of the Northern Statelet.

I always had a simplistic view on the North where the Unionists are a minority posturing as a majority,give them Glasgow.

wmfb the lovely lady in the times hotel tipp town took me to dan breens home house....the ignorant on here wont see the comparisons you or i are making on this thread....

I'm not here concerned with comparisons or historical 'what abouts?'.
Leaving all ideologies and agendas aside I'm simply inquiring if anybody has asked the President of SF why he was never a member of the Provisional IRA or if that question has been asked what the reply was.
If Adams was a member of the PIRA why would he not acknowledge that fact as so many others have done -seeing as the Irish people seem quite content to accept former dealers in violence into the political mainstream. He would be following in a long established tradition.
If,on the other hand,he was not a member of the PIRA he should frankly and openly tell us why not since it would have been a clear cut and obvious course for him to have taken in the environment he grew up in.
One might even say that it would actually  diminish Adams' record and reputation in the eyes of many that he never slaughtered for the sacred cause when all around him were doing so with his approval.

vub just for the record book could you please answer the following:

just at your leisure....

no panic,,,,

1.a former minsister of finance.....what was his role in the dublin castle (murders)
2.what role had he to play in the assasination of another self appointed field marshall
3.how much money did willie o dea make by being minister of defence and his contracts?
4.how many republican candidates were returned in the treaty county this weekend.....
5.and just while your at it.....please try to broaden your horizons rather than taken the old parochial hear say sayings...please vub....because you have a lot to offer this forum,your bigotry im afraid lets you down by the bagful......
6.should we classify neil blanyey/CH gun runners/legends/former ministers or terrorists
7.how much is former career bigot and reformed barrister and former minister actually makin outa this country.....(despite inda arse pockets promises)

i could go on...

but im afraid unless you address the above you as a proud free stater have no grounds to throw stones at anyone.....i suggest you examine your own ethics first.....

rite lets put his argument to sleep once and for all.....the new breed of irish republicanism has risen from colleges all over the island.most with no affiliation to militant republicanism but yet still loyal to it....this new breed of youth wont go with the stereotypical genepool of their wannabe republican predessors of ff/fg....but most importantly they are not bigots and can see a role for every class in society regardless.....thats the difference...they dont see it as a career......or a DYNASTY as tryin rubridy quite recently said.....sums it all up to me to be quite honest....

I always had a simplistic view on the North where the Unionists are a minority posturing as a majority,give them Glasgow

I have always had a simplistic view on the North where the Republicans are a minority posturing as a majority, give them Tipperary.

again the d`ozy one displays his indepth knowledge of all things irish.....#BLUFFer

Count your lucky stars that your benevolent Sovereign, Lizzie Windsor, permits you to carry one of our passports.

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d`ozy you had ample oppurtunity to reply to any of my posts over the last 72 hours,again you refrained simply because you havent a clue what we are talkin about.....apart fromy your usual volleys of abuse directed to the republican movement,which i highly suspect you copy of ian o dohertys twitter feed....am i right karl?

Sorry dickie, I tend to avoid getting down in the weeds with you on substantive issues.

It would be the equivalent of discussing Dostoevsky with my Daschund.

ohh dear.....keyboard warrior uses a wilkipedia reference shocker........

the republican movement is worthy of any abuse directed at it dicky....murderers and bombers masquerading as peacemakers and statesmen.

says the man who voted billy hutchinson??????

and where did you glean this information from dicky????

The thing I cant figure is why does Martin McGuinness freely admit his activity and yet Gerry Adams does not .

Given the nature of Irish politics does Martin not have more brownie points with supporters than Gerry ?

i just remember some of your old thread on the football forum from days gone by outside.....your card is marked....tiocfaidh ar la mo chara....and by the way friend....the new 32 will always be open to protestants and dissenters,you have nothing to fear mate,we are all on the one island,there will be no cold house for unionist in this island,embrace the peace and move on bud....but never forget those who got us to this stage....oiche mhaith.....

what a plonker.

LMFAO @ dicky as usual you cant back up the ridiculous claims that you make dicky so instead you make up more lies...i rarely (if ever) posted on the football forum and if i ever did it certainly wouldnt be to proclaim that i was going to vote for billy hutchinson in an election!

i challenge you to bring up any thread where i have ever posted anything remotely similar to what you are alluding to little dicky (we both know you cant)

fact is dicky you cant handle the fact that someone like me has opposing views to yourself.im british and proud of it so what,doesnt make me a bigot,terrorist,orangeman,loyalist or any of the other brushes you have tried to tar me with in recent times.

the fact remains that northern ireland remains part of the united kingdom and it still will be long after we are both gone,hopefully you can get over this before you pop your clogs as a life full of bitterness isnt much fun.

im not overly impressed with your irish language skills either btw.i probably know more of the languuge than you would think.

go raibh biseach ort gan mhoill!!

What richters will not accept is that the majority on both sides of the border will not be handing over their countries to his organisation.
No lás will be chuckying.

kincsem not sure what drugs you are on  but i for one would trust Gerry before Enda or the Brit Govt up in the six counties...


ozy/insideinfo/kincsem -people you support like the brit army/loyalist death gangs these people openly murdered catholic civilians without no accountabilty - -

what do you expect catholic people to do to protect themselves from these murders

listen we will still let you fellas live in Ireland but stop the bitterness ,in this day and age cannot believe you protestants are still bitter

ffs wise up kerrygold wud ya!

btw thats a strikingly smmilar post to your friend dickys kerrygold,another username perhaps? or are you just a deluded nutcase as well

I recently read Sean O'Callaghans' 'The Informer' a fascinating insight into the 'troubles' and those who get caught up in it.

A young Kerry goombeen he had been swept up in the perceived belief 'that what was going on was a war against British Imperialism'...he subsequently discovered..'it was hard to mainatain the illusion that NI was in a colonial situation'.  'This was a war between Catholics and Protestants not the British.  There was a deep and ugly hatred, centuries old, behind it all'

The reality dawned that the 'truth is he had come to NI abysmally ignorant of the realities and yet prepared to kill and bomb'.

He speak of "young, uneducated country lads (i.e. Dickie) soaked in the pathological hatreds and half truths about the 'other side' being signed up to the IRA at the local Priest's house".

He tells of 'why young people in NI join the IRA, the UVF, whatever...sectarian hatreds, peer and community pressures,  belief that you must fight to defend your people.  But at its heart's core it remains a bitter form of tribalism and no amount of fancy words or window dressing will make it into something noble or decent.

He also goes on to describe the psychopaths and thugs who gravitate to such organisations and by nature quickly rise to prominence and are labelled 'heroes'

An insightful read imo.

as i said fellas cut down on the bitterness and we can all get along

Ozy, I would not read such rubbish but it does not surprise me you do....

And he was all of those things plus he was a tout. Its coming to and end very quickly, but like the lads said all protestants will be welcomed under the tricolour so have no fear. Sinn Fein ready to take control over the next 10 years and Scotland ready to break the union  some very interesting times ahead. The English people relying on the ukip racists to dig them out of a hole you couldn't make this stuff up

Interesting to contrast your views of 05.12 with those who of someone who has actually been involved not romanticallly viewing from afar.

Ozy , the lessons of Irish history have to include ALL the factors in the mix .  That includes the part that Britain played in it . Which includes their psychopaths and thugs who gravitated towards maintenance of a perceived status quo harbouring  a god given right to subjugate a native population . All the cowboys were not running around the deep south and the far north . They were associated with the seat of power .  Add in  feisty local elements , republicans and planters  , outside influences/ support mainly from America , and it is hard to chart a  trouble free path for any element in the mix . The wind that shakes the barley should be required viewing for anyone seeking an insight into the factors involved . That shaped Fianna Fail , Fine Gael , Sinn Fein , and ultimately any number of 3 letter and 4 letter political movements / organisations  in the North . 

And when the shooting starts in a way all bets are off and everyone becomes entrenched .  Over the last 20 years some rationalisation has taken place thankfully , but Northern Ireland is not inherently a stable set up , there are too many deep seated factors still just below the surface .  Those of us who have lived here all of our lives are vitally aware of ALL of these factors , there is no quick fix , and a minute percentage on either "side" know they can flex the populace and  the judgement  of what is right or wrong from their perceptive . Still a tight rope situation despite the improvements .

Most of the "victims " in the Northern Ireland situation still live or have roots in Northern Ireland .  Obviously there are some victims outside of Northern Ireland , part of a "collateral damage " situation inherent in modern life where travel is no longer a stumbling block to those wanting to spread their view of their gospel   . But they live in differing adjacent jurisdictions and are  minor players ultimately in any "final " solution .

If you can sort out the million and a half in Northern ireland satisfactorily , there would be no need to worry about the adjacent populations , most people in the rest of Ireland and UK and further afield would be relieved to be able to concentrate on other issues which ultimately will affect them more than what happens in NI .

Kerrygold
people you support like the brit army/loyalist death gangs these people openly murdered catholic civilians without no accountabilty

Did I say that?

It shouldn't matter what flag flies over Northern Ireland. All that should matter is that the country flying that flag ensures that there is fairness and justice for all of its inhabitants, in equal measure.

Sean O'Callaghan seem to recall him being caught at another west brits gaff tied up and robbed by his lover or something.

what goes on in a man's underpants is his own business and should't detract from his ability to provide interesting and credible insight.

Insight into what I wonder.......

i wonder where dopey dicky has got to,maybe hes still scouring the football forum in the vain hope of finding all these inflammatory comments that he alleges i have made.

He likely has the Transit parked up outside a 3 star Hotel in some Western 2 horse town with no internet access.  Downing Jamesons and grilling the locals for some insight into their local GAA championship.

I recently read Sean O'Callaghans' 'The Informer'

i must say now for a cambridge graduate,the above statement is staggering.......

as for inside info....there is no words to describe what mindset that is playing with.....a penny pusher who spends his days ridicouling bookies and anyone else it can insult on an annonymous forum.....a bigot with no substance.....pathetic really just like its new buddy d`ozy.....

dicky instead of trying to besmirch my character my making up blatant lies why dont you instead provide proof of the things you claim ive said on the football forum.

btw i see your favourite horse is running in the first at bath today.have a nice day and dont be angry