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23 Jan 14
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Last year Monksland.....this year Apache Stronghold.....overall record on the big stage is woeful......
Still attracts big owners......but is unable to get the required results.....
Still attracts big owners......but is unable to get the required results.....
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What did you make of jps horse in the b/chase today Paulie...?
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Didn't take any notice of it wonks.....not joking either.....was on the fav myself.....and wasn't even watching the end of the race.......it sounds like you think it wasn't really required......that is exactly what I would have expected myself.....
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Yet a word from the stewards , Wildmanfromborneo , called it right when he called Willies a dog...
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The fav bled from the nose.....
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Fav backers bled from their pocket !
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Yes , just seen tony's post , a good judge standing with me at punchestown questioned his attitude as well ...Still if it bled , nothing you can do about that..
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One would imagine that bleeding into the lungs must be detrimental to performance, but there is little evidence of this. Severely affected racehorses that finish with a nosebleed do appear to show reduced performance (although the occasional one wins). If, however, there is no visible bleeding and the haemorrhage is only discernible by endoscopy, the picture is far less clear
and most studies have not shown this lower level of bleeding to be clearly associated with poor performance. Intriguingly, in a study of horses endoscoped because of disappointing performance, we have so far found that not only are poor performers no more likely to bleed than a random group of racehorses, but there is actually a slight trend for them to bleed less. This finding is supported by a study performed in the USA. This does not mean that EIPH improves performance, but it is more likely that horses who perform poorly place slightly less strain on their pulmonary blood vessels. Trainers often request that horses are examined endoscopically after racing to determine whether they have bled, but I have concerns about the value of this. Since the prevalence of EIPH is so high, especially in older racehorses, discovering that a horse has had a mild to moderate bleed is of little value. In our racecourse survey, around four out of five racehorses aged four or more had EIPH, mostly graded three or four on the five-point scale. Discovering, therefore, that a four-year-old horse has grade four EIPH after finishing last is of little value — there is a good chance that the winner will have bled as severely! Read more at http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/horse-care/vet-advice/understanding-nosebleeds-in-racehorses/#2Ht... |
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Silver go back into google and type in the same search you have just done and you will find an article telling you it has a huge effect.
You havent a clue what effect it has and neither do i. |
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The above is a copy and paste from one of the most respected horse magazines, hardly going to publish rubbish are they?.
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Why highlight certain lines in bold rather than let people draw their own conclusions from the article? I can use the same article to counter your argument if I do the same thing:
One would imagine that bleeding into the lungs must be detrimental to performance, but there is little evidence of this. Severely affected racehorses that finish with a nosebleed do appear to show reduced performance (although the occasional one wins). If, however, there is no visible bleeding and the haemorrhage is only discernible by endoscopy, the picture is far less clear and most studies have not shown this lower level of bleeding to be clearly associated with poor performance. Intriguingly, in a study of horses endoscoped because of disappointing performance, we have so far found that not only are poor performers no more likely to bleed than a random group of racehorses, but there is actually a slight trend for them to bleed less. This finding is supported by a study performed in the USA. This does not mean that EIPH improves performance, but it is more likely that horses who perform poorly place slightly less strain on their pulmonary blood vessels. Trainers often request that horses are examined endoscopically after racing to determine whether they have bled, but I have concerns about the value of this. Since the prevalence of EIPH is so high, especially in older racehorses, discovering that a horse has had a mild to moderate bleed is of little value. In our racecourse survey, around four out of five racehorses aged four or more had EIPH, mostly graded three or four on the five-point scale. Discovering, therefore, that a four-year-old horse has grade four EIPH after finishing last is of little value — there is a good chance that the winner will have bled as severely! Read more at http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/horse-care/vet-advice/understanding-nosebleeds-in-racehorses/#2Ht... |
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Why did you not bold this line slabster?
(although the occasional one wins) |
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I did no different to what you did Silver
 Seriously though, I was going to but I didn't think it made a whole lot of difference to be honest - 'Occasional' would suggest it's rare enough to me! |
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Back to Noel Meade, very disappointing if Apache Stronghold goes the way of some of the other talented animals Meade had: Aran Concerto, Nicanor, Go Native, Pandorama all had injury problems.
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I might as well paste this here too,
015C John Mulhern Galmoy H'dle The Turf Club Veterinary Officer examined Zaidpour (FR), trained by W.P. Mullins, at the request of the Stewards and reported the animal to be post race normal. Samples were taken for analysis. 015F PMF Accountants Beginners S'chase W.P. Mullins, trainer of Dogora (FR), reported to the Stewards' Secretaries that his charge burst a blood vessel. Now it was not the Turf Club vet who reported to the stewards but the trainer which imo leaves his diagnosis open to scepticism, as we know trainers would say just about anything. |
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As for Apache Stronghold why is there rumours going around he will miss the festival or what?.
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Silvergreaser.....he was trading at 16/17 here for about 6 weeks.....now he's 60 to back and nothing to lay......with a week on here.....yet no word from Noel about his wellbeing......anybody who is on him for the Neptune.......and I am one of them sadly.....can wipe their rear end with the docket......
Nice of Noel to inform the public though......the Hunts must be over the moon with him..... |
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A bit of irony in Paulie Wallnuts complaining about Noel Meade,its a stable run for gamblers.
When Cops And Robbers took a massive drift in a Fairyhouse maiden hurdle and naturally got beat I posted there was something wrong,on came his defenders RicksonG G and One Last Chance saying nothing untoward the drift was because Sizing Rio had better form,a long discussion ensued.Months later in a review of Noel Meades horses it emerged the horse was rotten of its wind and had had multiple operations. The Noel Meade punters play with a marked deck,nothing sweeter for them than to mop up some money on here without any risk. |
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Well going by that Paulie it does sound suspiciously like we'll be hearing in the news shortly that Apache will miss the festival.
Have to agree I was really looking forward to seeing this horse in action again after his impressive win last time, looked like he could go around again. |
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Wildman.....the noel meade punters would want to be playing with 2 decks......because if they are depending on Noel......god help them.....
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Judging by the ones on here RicksonG and One Last Chance they will only play when heavy odds on,only interested in unequal fights.
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Cudnt be arsed even arguing with you wild clown to be totally honest I don't give a flying feck how unequal the fight as long as I make a few quid is that what the game is all about making it pay
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Your mustn't be as ya do some crying about things when they don't go your way
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Your memory ain't too good either,I had no bet on the Cops And Robbers race but the I clearly remember the nonsensical defence,nothing untoward all done on form and then it emerged they were playing with a marked deck,horse rotten of its wind a fact that Noel Meade withheld.
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So any trainer with a horse with a wind problem should make sure everyone knows about it especially you ffs man catch a grip how many trainers in interviews come on after they win etc come on and say they done something with.there wind the way ur putting it they would need to be interview befor the race ohh and btw I made a decent few quid in the race
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You initially denied you had inside knowledge,you said it was all done on form.
A trainer is supposed to inform the stewards of any relevant reason for a bad run,this information was withheld solely for trading purposes and this is classic insider trading. |
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Catch a grip ya clown
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How many horses has paul nichools have operated on
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Loads but the information is not concealed.
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Why where is it
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''Judging by the ones on here RicksonG and One Last Chance they will only play when heavy odds on,only interested in unequal fights.''
When Wildmanfromborneo interacts with the markets its like someone who brings a knife to a gunfight, an amateur to the nth degree |
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I don't know about that,I got the whiff of a large rodent in that market and although it took some time was eventually proved right.
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Sure if you were that sure why did you not make a profit from it
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If you flip a coin it will either be heads or tails
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I see willie running 1 against noel in the bumper tomorrow bad form that from willie he hasn't done that in a while
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You are not getting the nuances of the Meade avoiding Mullins thread.
The two times ye played in bumpers on Meade horses were in Galway and Roscommon,both horses backed off the boards one successful but no Mullins horse in opposition. When the Mullins stable are in full flight he can't avoid him but ye will not back a Meade horse against any of his. Ye had a half hearted punt on Wildebeest in Fairyhouse when ye heard that the Mullins horse was no good. I couldn't do anything about that market because I wasn't aware of the wind problem but I knew something wasn't quite right. |
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Nuances? you think vindication is reading the Irish Field 3 months after a race, the real world sees it as money in the bank after betting positive expectation. How do you even know if you are alive Wildmanfromborneo?
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Wrong again wildman my money was on the Elliot horse that day 400 snoops down the swany
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It was vindication,I said ye knew something,ye both denied it said it was done on form in other words lied through your teeth.
You probably did snaffle that unsuspecting five grand that was trying to get on at 1.43 but anyone could do that when ye had the marked deck,would either of ye be able to earn a Rex left to your own devices. |
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But sure here no complaints was still up for the day
So what I'd like to know from you is a list of horses that have had wind ops |