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26 Aug 13
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1- Is William Buick finished? Have been watching him all season and my word is he one average jock, and don't let anyone tell you any different.
2- Will there be anyone to even come clode to challenging WP Mullins this season, or should all the other trainers just pack it in altogether?
3- Can see Paul Nicholls having the worst season ever, so bad, that he might never be heard of again in the same echelon of trainer that he once was. Doesnt seem to have the real big spending owners like Mullins and Henderson do, and with no decent jock this season either could easily see that operation at Ditcheat having a blowout of a season
2- Will there be anyone to even come clode to challenging WP Mullins this season, or should all the other trainers just pack it in altogether?
3- Can see Paul Nicholls having the worst season ever, so bad, that he might never be heard of again in the same echelon of trainer that he once was. Doesnt seem to have the real big spending owners like Mullins and Henderson do, and with no decent jock this season either could easily see that operation at Ditcheat having a blowout of a season
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William Buick is a great judge of a horse and well,able to ride.
He rode Gordon Lord Byron for a neighbour of mine got down off the horse and told them to run him in a group 1 race in Longchamp where he would win,the race was not in their schedule at all Buick persisted almost guaranteeing them a win promised he would ride,result an easy first Group 1success for Gordon Lord Byron. Rich Ricci not buying anymore horses could be a blow to Willie Mullins. |
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Where did you hear Ricci is not buying anymore horses wildman?.
Darryl Jacob rode plenty of winners for Nichols when Ruby was in Ireland, if the horses are good enough then I think Darryl will be well up to the job. |
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I was talking to his racing manager at the Curragh on Saturday,I got the impression that he was gone to ground not alone buying nothing new but could become a seller.
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Interesting wildman, cheers.
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If what you're saying is true wildman, I still don't think it would affect the Mullins operation in the slightest. Worst case scenario, if he was to pull out of the game altogether it still wouldn't affect Mullins as more than likely the horses would just be snapped up by Gigginstown, Wylie, Potts etc and remain in the yard.
Personally think Buick is very weak in a finish and seems a shadow of his former self this season for whatever reason I do not know. If the horses are good enough silver, Mr Jacobs is the last person I would want to see on board it! |
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Ricci does not have a racing manager unless you are talking about the self appointed non paid role that JOR has.
He bought Sanctuaire so cannot be too far underground. |
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nicholls is finished......all his owners dislike him......the ones that are left.......staff gone.....jockey gone.....nicholls gone soon......
ricci wants to buy horses......not sell......buying everything that moves.......bought olivers horse out of Sligo maiden......wanted mullins to be his private trainer.......Wildman talkin gibberish....... |
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I didn't want to name him Distant View but you have it right.
If he has bought Sanctuaire and Zafaraquabad ( sic) then I am obviously wrong did not mean to mislead. |
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Jacob has 18 winners from just 72 mounts this jump season thats exactly 25% win ratio, and just a tenner loss if you had backed all his mounts thus far.
He's a more than capable rider but remains to be seen what ammunition Nichols has this year?. |
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WildmanI heard he has put in an order to buy 30+ new horses.
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Silver I can think of at least 20 other jocks in the UK I would have over Jacobs, however bad he is over hurdles, but my word to watch the Jacob in full flight over the larger obstacles is a sight to behold! And needless to say that if you had a few quid on a horse with him on board over fences safe to say that you would need to be watching it behind the couch...!
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Your opinion snap not mine, I never found myself behind the couch after backing one of Jacobs.
Of course now that Ruby is gone punters will be watching him like a hawk ready to stick the knife every time he gets beat on a Nichols fancied one, you'll get the usual Ruby would've won on that bull. |
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Maybe a less than dramatic decline in the pipe line I'd say...Still has the backing of Barbers p2p string coming along each year , plus what he buys himself for his owners..He also has some long term who buy good horses , maybe not the highflyer of resent times , but sure to have a good if not a sensational one ....
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How exactly does he still have the backing of Barber's p2p string? They are all going to Harry Fry are they not, or have I missed something?
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Then its me that missed something snap , please expand.....
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Most of his owners cant stand him......hes gone as a top trainer.......nobody giving him new horses......no harm either......
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Why take Rock on Ruby out of Nicholls yard and give it to Fry if you did not intend to give him more
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He had him the year he won the champion hurdle , everyone knew that , you seem to think he'll get all his p2pers , cant see that happening myself ..Barber is the landlord if i'm not mistaken , so he'd want Paul to do well ...I'm afraid your point is maybe a little up in the air ...there again maybe i've got it wrong , not taken much notice of n/hunt just yet ....
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He did not take Rock on Ruby from the yard (in reality that is).
Fry was in charge of the second yard when he was there and that is where ROR was trained. Nicholls had practically nothing to do with the training of ROR so he has not exactly lost him. |
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Nicholls simply doesnt have the firepower anymore simple as that.
No more Ruby, no new big spending owners, and losing big spending existing owners. No real flagship horse either. Its only one direction I can see that operation going this season and it aint up!! |
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So its only your opinion then that Fry will get Barbers horses...Not official , He wont go down without a fight thats for sure , Ruby coming to terms with time I think ..Noting lasts forever ...
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can ya post in English wonks......finding it hard to understand wonkish........
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God bless PAULIE....
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Heading off for a game of golf in the afternoon , just in case i forget , God bless you Paulie....
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ruby coming to terms with time I think......did he buy a new watch wonks........
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ya will be some player when yer big wonks.......
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It means he is growing old and now has a young family so no longer wants the endless travel.
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Ruby just fed up traveling I'd say, Its Paul Townend who will be the big loser here.
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paul nicholls may not have the star horse of old but he,s been buying in france and in Ireland..he,ll still have 100...in his yard..Henderson is number one without doubt ..but to say nicholls is finished is a touch premature imo..graham roach has just bought 5 one of which cost 90.000, plus he has a number of young horses to run ...I have to agree with silver..ruby is fed up with the travel..plus he does have a young family..and he,s not getting any younger..
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90,000 ain't much these days tony when you look at what he is competing against. I'd say Henderson wouldn't take a horse that cost less than 100k and Mullins is probably similar these times unless he sees something in the horse.
You've even the likes of McCain taking 60k horses (that placed in big handicaps) out of Cumanis yard as seen earlier this week and barely even bothering to school them, running them at places like Newton Abbot. If he is using 60k like they are ten-a-penny, what must his owners be spending. The goalposts have moved. Everything Ruby has said suggests that he thinks Nicholls is a great trainer and has great staff, if he had anything at all, he would have given him the benefit of the doubt and kept going over. Nicholls doesn't have one novice from last season with Grade 1 pretensions. |
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RUBY THE RAT JUMPING THE SINKING SHIP
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Ruby may start training soon,his first move will be to whisk Bubba away from Jessica Harrington.
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neill,
I was using roach as a example..he,s got 7 with nicholls..one I believe they rate very highly for the novice division this season(name escapes me atm)..but 90.000 may be peanuts by todays standards but nicholls has 5-6 owners who will pay 150.000 + for horses..im told Anthony Bromley bought 3 in france for him 2wks ago before he went on holiday for one of his owners..never got the amount but I was told 2 of them were pricy.., you right nicholls off at your peril believe me..the man loved being champ trainer..he still has owners with big pockets..he has 3 for graham wylie,i bet you they cost 200.000 a pop.i know one is yet to be named..but the other 2 were bought in Ireland and france..and you forget BIG BUCKS, he,ll win him a few grade 1,s...as for ruby going..it was on the cards for a while..ruby is fed up with travelling..and with nicholls not having the stars like Henderson..he probably thought the times right to take his foot off the peddle..he won't ride for more than another 2-3 yrs mark my words.. |
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tony, with the greatest respect there is a lot of nonsense in that last post of yours, firstly big bucks won't be winning any grade 1's, because he is highly unlikely to ever see a racetrack ever again. Secondly, apart from Graham Roche, (who has a lot less horses now) you havent been able to name one other big spending owner bar Wylie. Compare that to Henderson at this moment in time and it wouldn't take a genius to figure out that Nicholls is going to have a complete blowout of a season
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Cheers Tony, hope he does make it back because competition is good. He's proven a great trainer when he has the ammo.
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ammo neil?, so Nichols is only a good trainer if he has the ammo?. So you're all slowly starting to see the light and come around to my way of thinking that humans are only bit players in the grand scheme of horse racing, when they haven't got the ammunition they really are nobodies?.
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silvergreaser -whatever body of opinion you imagine is converting to your views on this matter does not -and never will-include me. Why ? Because you're fundamentally wrong.
Apart from anything else -you damage your argument by exaggeration and dismissive insults. Calling people who organise businesses that involve considerable human, equine and material inputs and outputs 'bit players' and 'nobodies' does violence to the known established facts. I agree with your main contention regarding jockeys - but trainers are operating at a completely different level of responsibility. I have stated the reasons many times (as indeed have other posters ) so will not rehearse them again here. |
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Dismissive maybe, insults no!.
Give me reasons vubiant that I can't counter argue. Work riders work the horses on the gallops, stable staff muck them out, clean them and groom them, basically generally look after the horses welfare while also cleaning the tack and cleaning the yard as the trainer shouts orders or the head lad, if the horse shows signs of illness you call the vet, your secretary will usually look after entries and the financial side of things. The only thing I see a trainer doing is observance on the gallops and then deciding how often to work them or how hard or soft to work them, the jockey is on another planet to trainers at least jockeys have a skill its called race riding. |
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Sorry -there's no ground for debate -you're way wide of the mark. Your 'take' on this topic is eccentric, erroneous and reductive to the point of absurdity.
I have no intention of trying further to clarify what has already been spelt out in detail. One might as well try to convert a Jehovah's Witness to Islam. |