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Fancy Cork again tomorrow. Can't beat tradition in these types of games. A dour enough game in prospect I imagine with a contrast in styles but Cork to end up in the Final for me. I'll be at the game tomorrow so no more from me until the Post mortem tomorrow night
No need for any great analysis, Cork with 30 All Irelands vs Dublin with 6 and evens each of 2 in the betting. Enough said
No need for any great analysis, Cork with 30 All Irelands vs Dublin with 6 and evens each of 2 in the betting. Enough said
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Could be a cracker of a match . Despite tradition , its evens your pick , think thats about right .
Cork to win, Patrick Horgan to be the difference, but Cork are no great shakes and the winner of Clare/Limerick wins this year. they simply have the better players.
Two teams that lack real fire power and cutting edge. Tipperary must really be looking at these two and wondering where it all went wrong. They have 7 or 8 players that would walk into either of these teams. (at close to their best).
There use to be an old saying down Tipperary way, Kilkenny for the hurlers Tipperary for the men, basically it meant Kilkenny can play all the fancy hurling they like and can beat every other team but when they met the hard men of Tipperary they were shrinking violets, funny how things change?.
As for todays game if the occasion doesn't get to Dublin I think they can win, they will play a packed defence which is very hard to breakdown as Kilkenny found to their cost.
Cork played well first half against Kilkenny and deservedly led but in all honesty the 14 men Kilkenny were the better team in the 2nd half so from a Cork point of view I'd be a little bit worried?.
Cork played well first half against Kilkenny and deservedly led but in all honesty the 14 men Kilkenny were the better team in the 2nd half so from a Cork point of view I'd be a little bit worried?.
Kilkenny were off the pace all year. The Dubs will be well drilled but lack that extra bit of craft.
Agree gant but todays game of hurling is not all about craft, yeah years ago craft would often out but nowadays its a much mor physical game and Dublin have that in spades, personally I won't have a bet as I can see todays game going either ways, but wouldn't surprise me in the sightest if Dublin won.
Yeah Kilkenny were not firing on all cylinders this year with some high profile injuries but they did put in the odd performance that would suggest they're far from finished.
Yeah Kilkenny were not firing on all cylinders this year with some high profile injuries but they did put in the odd performance that would suggest they're far from finished.
Kilkenny are far from finished. Craft is alive and well I'm afraid and the special players win matches.
I don't think the pack has caught up with Kilkenny gant more like Kilkenny have came back to the pack because of mitigating circumstances, so I don't think there is all that much craft in the 4 teams that are left in this years All Ireland, I really think any of th 4 can win it if they play to there best of their ability.
If I was to have a stab in the dark maybe Clare?, that nut job Davy Fitz but a likable nut might just get them motivated enough to win an All Ireland that is there for anyone who really wants it.
But its good to see the likes of Dublin, Limerick and Clare been competitive again, well Cork are Cork so we expect them to be there and abouts so from a neutral point of view I'd probably like to see Dublin win it, I don't hate Cork as I have relations down there, but it would be so much sweeter if Dublin Limerick or Clare were to win it, Cork already have 30 titles.
If I was to have a stab in the dark maybe Clare?, that nut job Davy Fitz but a likable nut might just get them motivated enough to win an All Ireland that is there for anyone who really wants it.
But its good to see the likes of Dublin, Limerick and Clare been competitive again, well Cork are Cork so we expect them to be there and abouts so from a neutral point of view I'd probably like to see Dublin win it, I don't hate Cork as I have relations down there, but it would be so much sweeter if Dublin Limerick or Clare were to win it, Cork already have 30 titles.
the dubs have nothing to fear here.their attitude will be .....fck tradittion!we are as good as any1!..dalo has his finger on the pulse....focus on the performance and the rest will take care of it self.
too close to call and certainly won't be having a bet
can't make Croke Park due to other commitments unfortunately but hope it is a good spectacle.
Not sure if the traditional Cork cockiness will win the day or if it's a red herring at this stage.
Be interested to go through all the players and see what they have won over the years. I'd imagine, Clare and Limerick have achieved more at underage level.
can't make Croke Park due to other commitments unfortunately but hope it is a good spectacle.
Not sure if the traditional Cork cockiness will win the day or if it's a red herring at this stage.
Be interested to go through all the players and see what they have won over the years. I'd imagine, Clare and Limerick have achieved more at underage level.
Just going out the door now for the LUAS. Lovely bright day with little or no wind around. Fancy Cork even more now on the day. No logic to it just feel that if the Dublin's of the World were capable of winning matches like this they would have been winning more of them over that last 65 years.
Jimmy Barry Murphy Vs Anthony Daly
I rest my case.
Enjoy the game
Jimmy Barry Murphy Vs Anthony Daly
I rest my case.
Enjoy the game
Lustrum Offaly were nobodies and why can Dublin not do the same?
Very difficult to call and will be very tight but I think Dublin will edge it. They are a team that are a year or two more formed than Cork and I think if they start well may get the young Cork team in trouble. Dublin also have more Croke park experience . Tradition doesnt win matches,teams do . This is the year this Dublin team are at the height and will know this is a real chance . I think they will take it.
Think Dublin are the better team and will win, no bet though.
Had a nice bet on Waterford to win the Minor.
Had a nice bet on Waterford to win the Minor.
Fancy Waterford to beat Kilkenny in the minors, destroyed by a very good Limerick in the replay but they were impressive the first match in Limerick. They scored some super points from distance. Pity there is no betting here. Think Limerick will beat Galway next week and the slight odds on is a good bet for Limerick.
Lads what is it with Umpires in GAA, do they get them from the local pub and just give them white coat. Incapable of making a correct call.
jesus wept, win or lose your reasoning is laughable 
If that is aimed at me Premier i don't find it funny. I posted an opinion and in the end it duly obliged. From what i saw of Kilkenny this year they did not impress.
I'd be fairly certain he was referring to the opening post on the thread, which is a little baffling in terms of logic.
Waterford made us sweat for it, job done in the end though.
Waterford made us sweat for it, job done in the end though.
Everyone down this way saying Cork will win. I am not so sure. Cork had a strong wing in the first half vs Limerick and could not make it pay. I think Limerick actually only played okay that day and won handy in the end. I think Dublin forward line could get some joy, my main concern will Dublin choke?????? Huge game for them and it is the main stepping block for me. Will wait to see how they settle before i play. If they look okay 5 minutes in i will back Dublin.
it was aimed at the OP goalhnager - sry i didn't make it clearer
best most intense sporting game in years.may it never end!!
I don't really watch hurling but by fu ck this is quality
has hardly been dour has it, brilliant game
The ref has been so shocked to see wides that he has called on Hawkeye twice
No real interest in hurling being from the north but this is quality, no pulling of Jerseys etc.. like in the football championship, should be ashamed of myself, converted.
Anyone think it is a wee bit loose though, great game but not the type of game Clare or Limerick will produce.
Shame there is going to be a loser today, think any of the two teams performance would have them beating anyone else comfortably.
Yep, have to feel sorry for Dublin, were getting on top till the sending off. Funny as it may sound but i think Limerick or Clare will prefer Cork.
Hats off to the Dublin lads.........a credit to their county.
It was hard luck on Dublin,thought they were just starting to get on top til the sending off. Again another big match sullied by a sending off. Best game for a long time in the 1st half and the ref went to pot in the 2nd.Hope the Dubs get consolation in the football.
Well done Cork anyway.
Well done Cork anyway.
Not for the first time Ryan O'Dwyer acting the complete d!ckhead costs Dublin. Had control of the game, the sending off killed them.
Rushe lucky to stay on the field too.
Rushe lucky to stay on the field too.
Was a stupid decision from Owens, yet again a game ruined by an idiot referee.Didnt have the balls then to produce a red when it was warranted.
Hurling is suffering for the crap that is going on in football. Should have just had a word and told him he was on his last chance.
Just back from match. Devastated but what a fantastic to and fro game. Couldn't really see the sending off from the hill but it definitely was the turning point in the game.
Hopefully the orignal poster will come back on and explain that nonsense he spouted. Fair enough Cork won but there would be no point in playing sport if everything was pre-determined on 'tradition'.
Hopefully the orignal poster will come back on and explain that nonsense he spouted. Fair enough Cork won but there would be no point in playing sport if everything was pre-determined on 'tradition'.
id say it was the fastest game of hurling i ever seen and im going to games since the early 70s.its was unreal.a credit to both sides.pity about the sending off.but rules are rules(even tho imperfect).rushe was lucky but the cork player was hanging out of him and i thought ref acted wisely in not sending him off.its all to play for now.i hope dublin come again next year.they have a lovely team.
Well Tradition won out in the end and for those that were laughing at us for suggesting it as a reason for victory ye might pay us more heed the next time. Kilkenny, Cork and the like do not have 30+ All Irelands by being 10 times better then the liked of Dublin, they have them from years and years of beting lesser sides. It is bred into the likes of Jimmy Barry Murphy not to be losing big games to gallant teams like Dublin. It takes a superhuman effort to overcome that (Offaly in the 80's and Clare in the 90's) but Dublin have not proved they are there yet.
A cracking game to watch I thought and all credit to Dublin for playing an open game. The game was there for Dublin and although people will blame the sending off for swinging it, it truth Cork had taken their measure before then. Dublin were 2 points up and had several chances to extend as Cork started the 2nd half slowly and with some poor misses, but the Dubs did not have the belief or know how to burst 5 or 6 clear
and once Cork had it back to a point the sending off only stamped the inevitable. We have seen that time and again with teams.
JBM is on the record as saying this is only an average Cork side. His logic there is that the team of 1999 were child stars and were largely made of of what is widely regarded as the best U21 side of all time from Cork. Also they had won underage medals. They were already proven at Inter County level.
This team won nothing underage and is a mixum of Senior and Junior Club players that are largely unproven.
However there is something about them that lifts the heart and the Cork Public (30K from Cork in the Crowd today) have been quick to see it too. JBM has downplayed them masterfully but the secret is getting out now and I fancy them to win it all now no matter who they play in the final.
A Tragedy for Limerick/Clare and indeed Dublin that Cork chose this year to come good and this will seal JBM's leagacy to have created 2 All Ireland teams of out nowhere. If anything this achievement will be even greater
A cracking game to watch I thought and all credit to Dublin for playing an open game. The game was there for Dublin and although people will blame the sending off for swinging it, it truth Cork had taken their measure before then. Dublin were 2 points up and had several chances to extend as Cork started the 2nd half slowly and with some poor misses, but the Dubs did not have the belief or know how to burst 5 or 6 clear
and once Cork had it back to a point the sending off only stamped the inevitable. We have seen that time and again with teams.
JBM is on the record as saying this is only an average Cork side. His logic there is that the team of 1999 were child stars and were largely made of of what is widely regarded as the best U21 side of all time from Cork. Also they had won underage medals. They were already proven at Inter County level.
This team won nothing underage and is a mixum of Senior and Junior Club players that are largely unproven.
However there is something about them that lifts the heart and the Cork Public (30K from Cork in the Crowd today) have been quick to see it too. JBM has downplayed them masterfully but the secret is getting out now and I fancy them to win it all now no matter who they play in the final.
A Tragedy for Limerick/Clare and indeed Dublin that Cork chose this year to come good and this will seal JBM's leagacy to have created 2 All Ireland teams of out nowhere. If anything this achievement will be even greater
id think whoever wins clare v limreick will beat cork.i hope im right.limericks backs are v dynamic and they beat cork before. i also think clare would beat cork.the only pity is we have only two games left of a wonderful summers hurling(maybe we might be lucky enough to get a draw!!?)
Well done to Cork today, great entertainment. The only thing that will beat them in the final is their overconfidence. They celebrated today as if they won the All Ireland. It's not over till the fat lady sings.
Great entertainment , nothing else to match hurling played skilfully and in a proper spirit . Rest of the world does not know what they are missing .
The sending off most likely had a huge influence on the result Dublin were giving as good as they were getting and at times better, Cork were flattered and neither Clare or Limerick will be quaking in their boots at the prospect of facing 30 times All Ireland Champions Cork now if it was Kilkenny maybe?.
Haha,No Silver honestly don't think anyone are afraid of Kilkenny at this stage,bleak times ahead for them with the minors getting hammered yesterday. Seems as if Munster hurling is going to be the dominant force(with the exception of Dublin) for the next few years.
And what's more they won't be missed either,good clean game yesterday and as said above game was played the way it should be.
What I meant pa was if Kilkenny were waiting in the final the other teams would be a little more weary than Cork, Cork are a decent team but far from invincible.
As for Kilkenny minors they weren't hammered in fact they were the better team for much of the first half.
As for Kilkenny minors they weren't hammered in fact they were the better team for much of the first half.
Cork will take Clare,It will be very close between Limerick, Cork are starting to click and have room for improvement,don't think any of the two will be over confident anyway.
You are right they weren't hammered still was a sore one and would suggest the minor team isn't exceptional.
You are right they weren't hammered still was a sore one and would suggest the minor team isn't exceptional.
This whole thing about 'tradition' is a cartload of mental manure...another trick-of-the-loop concept invariably advanced by media buffs who have space to fill and reach for the easiest and most superficial way to fill it.
if waterford minors took their chances they would have won easily?
I think we would all agree that the mental aspect of all sports is important. Is there something to be said that if you grow up being dominated by a rival that this is absorbed into the collective conscious or subconsious?
Whilst I would not suggest that 'tradition' would be the defining factor in any match, I would suggest that mindset, as conditioned by tradition can have some bearing.
Whilst I would not suggest that 'tradition' would be the defining factor in any match, I would suggest that mindset, as conditioned by tradition can have some bearing.
in my experience the differance between a good player and a great player is absolutely whats between the ears.great players have the presence of mind to do the right thing in a split second,its instinct,they know exactly what they are going to do in the instant the pass is delivered.it cant be coached or practice practice,practice.yre born with it!
Vubiant you will end up with holes in your shoes from punting GAA if you continue with that attitude. So much of big games is mindset, not only mindset but mindset in the last 20 minutes when a game is there to be won or lost.
Were Kilkenny that much better than eveyone else over the last 10 years? No they were not but they were inside their heads.
Ask Ger Loughnane about tradition if you are in doubt, a guy broken in 2 from his County's mental block over Cork. He went his whole career never even getting out of Munster, beaten year after year by inferior Cork Teams.
Why do you think Kerry have 30+ All Irelands and Cork 5. Are Kerry 6 times the better County, even though every person in the Country accepts that the talent in Cork is better than anywhere else. It is because they are inside our heads.
Why do you think Paul Ryan missed those frees early in the 2nd half yesterday when the game was there for the taking?
There is no logic to it, it just is at is and will continue that way for evermore in my opinion, until a superhuman team can be put together that can blow their way through that psychological barrier.
Were Kilkenny that much better than eveyone else over the last 10 years? No they were not but they were inside their heads.
Ask Ger Loughnane about tradition if you are in doubt, a guy broken in 2 from his County's mental block over Cork. He went his whole career never even getting out of Munster, beaten year after year by inferior Cork Teams.
Why do you think Kerry have 30+ All Irelands and Cork 5. Are Kerry 6 times the better County, even though every person in the Country accepts that the talent in Cork is better than anywhere else. It is because they are inside our heads.
Why do you think Paul Ryan missed those frees early in the 2nd half yesterday when the game was there for the taking?
There is no logic to it, it just is at is and will continue that way for evermore in my opinion, until a superhuman team can be put together that can blow their way through that psychological barrier.
Down in Kerry coming up to Munster Finals , discussions re relative merits of the 2 teams floats to the surface . Sager men always just pointed to the chest / jersey when asked their opinion , they knew that Cork had a mental block about beating sometimes inferior Kerry teams . Cork friends acknowledged the fact . Re-entry has removed some of that recently , but still there . Cavan used to be the same way back in Ulster re garnering provincial titles .
Matches often are won by players not making mistakes , rather than doing something brilliant . Applies in most sports , GAA not the only one . Thats where teams like Kilkenny prospered , often their opponents missed chances due to pressure . Golf Majors are full of incidents like that . Ask Doug Sanders , Greg Norman , Thomas Bjorn , Adam Scott etc etc .
The hurling this year has been refreshing , not only for the mix , always the way when a dominant team takes their hand of the tiller . Looks like we are guaranteed a different final , but predicting the outcome will be tricky .
Matches often are won by players not making mistakes , rather than doing something brilliant . Applies in most sports , GAA not the only one . Thats where teams like Kilkenny prospered , often their opponents missed chances due to pressure . Golf Majors are full of incidents like that . Ask Doug Sanders , Greg Norman , Thomas Bjorn , Adam Scott etc etc .
The hurling this year has been refreshing , not only for the mix , always the way when a dominant team takes their hand of the tiller . Looks like we are guaranteed a different final , but predicting the outcome will be tricky .
Cork beat Dublin yesterday because they hurled beautifully and were marginally the better team doubt tradition had much to do with it.
The other cliche that used irritate me and seems prevalent in GAA circles is so and so won because they wanted it more,this is trotted out when sides are level the RTE pundit invariably says this is going to come down to who wants it more.
We could nearly dispense with all matches just get the traditional teams and find the one that wants it most,then give him the cup.
The other cliche that used irritate me and seems prevalent in GAA circles is so and so won because they wanted it more,this is trotted out when sides are level the RTE pundit invariably says this is going to come down to who wants it more.
We could nearly dispense with all matches just get the traditional teams and find the one that wants it most,then give him the cup.
Strange how people see things, in my opinion Dublin were getting well on top at the time of the sending off and would have won it. What possess a referee to send a man off and ruin a brilliant game at that stage is anybodys guess.Always harder for less traditional teams to get the rub of the green in such scenarios.
To suggest Kilkenny have bleak times ahead is madness.Could well win it next year ,as they were only at 50% this year due to injuries.Have no fear they will find a couple of players, and Cody has already brought them back stronger on 2 occasions after defeats. You can ignore the minor grade as far as Kilkenny are concerned as they have a terrible record anyway , and with such young players you never know who will make it or not.
I agree Kilkenny had a lot of teams beaten mentally before they took the field, probably because they had dished out unmerciful beatings to most of these teams previously. Lustrumm to suggest Kilkenny were not much better than the rest over the last 10 years is laughable. They were the greatest hurling team of all time. Players like Walsh,Delaney,Shefflin,Carey,Brennan were some of the best ever to play the game,and you will be lucky to ever see such a strong team again in your lifetime.
Its gonna be Corks year,they hurled great yesterday ,and will have too much for whoever they meet in the final.
To suggest Kilkenny have bleak times ahead is madness.Could well win it next year ,as they were only at 50% this year due to injuries.Have no fear they will find a couple of players, and Cody has already brought them back stronger on 2 occasions after defeats. You can ignore the minor grade as far as Kilkenny are concerned as they have a terrible record anyway , and with such young players you never know who will make it or not.
I agree Kilkenny had a lot of teams beaten mentally before they took the field, probably because they had dished out unmerciful beatings to most of these teams previously. Lustrumm to suggest Kilkenny were not much better than the rest over the last 10 years is laughable. They were the greatest hurling team of all time. Players like Walsh,Delaney,Shefflin,Carey,Brennan were some of the best ever to play the game,and you will be lucky to ever see such a strong team again in your lifetime.
Its gonna be Corks year,they hurled great yesterday ,and will have too much for whoever they meet in the final.
If yesterday was a League match Dublin would have won, pure and simple. Dublin had Cork on the rack (relatively speaking in a tight game) and had chances to go 4-5 clear. They didn't because of the occasion and once it remained tight there was only 1 winner.
If the weight of history did not weigh on players/managements shoulders then we would not have skewed Rolls of honours or at least not skewed in the manner they are.
To be honest I don't expect everyone to get it but Corkonions get it best of all because we suffer from it (Football) and exhibit it (hurling)
Why do us fans go to Hurling games knowing we are going to win when the team is ready and go to Football games knowing we are going to lose even though we know we are the better side
If the weight of history did not weigh on players/managements shoulders then we would not have skewed Rolls of honours or at least not skewed in the manner they are.
To be honest I don't expect everyone to get it but Corkonions get it best of all because we suffer from it (Football) and exhibit it (hurling)
Why do us fans go to Hurling games knowing we are going to win when the team is ready and go to Football games knowing we are going to lose even though we know we are the better side
Wrong Celtic, pure and simple. There has been little or nothing between the top 4 (and add in Waterford every now and again) in Munster Hurling for the 35 years or so I have been old enough to be watching them yet it has been the same 2 to the top almost every time.
If that is all due to ability then I give up
If that is all due to ability then I give up
Your theory is completely flawed.
If it is all about tradition why do Tipp have only 5 All Irelands since 1966?
If it is all about tradition why do Tipp have only 5 All Irelands since 1966?
Because Cork are in their heads too. That and the fact that Tipperary have mismanaged their talent in a criminal fashion over the last 25 years.
Remember Babs and the "Donkeys don't win Derbies" quote.
Take it from me Celtic tradition/Mindset or whatever we call it has everything to do with winning and losing big Gaelic games. I thought the qulaifiers would mitigate it and perhaps it is to some degree but the flip side is that it allows the big teams caught on the hop in the provincial series in the back door and now the Dublins of the world are finding they are having to beat the big teams twice to win it all.
IMO the next team to break the cycle again in Clare where the conveyor belt of underage talent will kick in at some stage. Anthony Daly to bring the experience gained in Dublin back home to Clare= a winning combination in my view.
Remember Babs and the "Donkeys don't win Derbies" quote.
Take it from me Celtic tradition/Mindset or whatever we call it has everything to do with winning and losing big Gaelic games. I thought the qulaifiers would mitigate it and perhaps it is to some degree but the flip side is that it allows the big teams caught on the hop in the provincial series in the back door and now the Dublins of the world are finding they are having to beat the big teams twice to win it all.
IMO the next team to break the cycle again in Clare where the conveyor belt of underage talent will kick in at some stage. Anthony Daly to bring the experience gained in Dublin back home to Clare= a winning combination in my view.
Because Cork are in their heads too. That and the fact that Tipperary have mismanaged their talent in a criminal fashion over the last 25 years.
Remember Babs and the "Donkeys don't win Derbies" quote.
Take it from me Celtic tradition/Mindset or whatever we call it has everything to do with winning and losing big Gaelic games. I thought the qulaifiers would mitigate it and perhaps it is to some degree but the flip side is that it allows the big teams caught on the hop in the provincial series in the back door and now the Dublins of the world are finding they are having to beat the big teams twice to win it all.
IMO the next team to break the cycle again in Clare where the conveyor belt of underage talent will kick in at some stage. Anthony Daly to bring the experience gained in Dublin back home to Clare= a winning combination in my view.
Remember Babs and the "Donkeys don't win Derbies" quote.
Take it from me Celtic tradition/Mindset or whatever we call it has everything to do with winning and losing big Gaelic games. I thought the qulaifiers would mitigate it and perhaps it is to some degree but the flip side is that it allows the big teams caught on the hop in the provincial series in the back door and now the Dublins of the world are finding they are having to beat the big teams twice to win it all.
IMO the next team to break the cycle again in Clare where the conveyor belt of underage talent will kick in at some stage. Anthony Daly to bring the experience gained in Dublin back home to Clare= a winning combination in my view.
Tipp have certainly been mismanaged since Sheedy left anyway, there is something in what lustrumm is saying, but it isn't the whole story and there are times where Cork might have suffered for it too (maybe favouring players from city clubs when there were better lads elsewhere, just because it was the done thing). Some very good players from small clubs on that Cork team now, I think what they've benefitted most from is JBM spreading the net.
A brilliant game between two evenly matched teams won by the team that got the bit of luck you need in these tight matches. The sending off effectively handed it to Cork. Would have been very tight 15 v 15. This has been a fine hurling season but refereeing decisions are played a big part in deciding the outcome of a few matches.
I'm still to be convinced this Cork team is anything special . There last 2 games have been against 14 players for almost half the match. At this stage I would favour the winners of next Sundays match at likely Champions.
I'm still to be convinced this Cork team is anything special . There last 2 games have been against 14 players for almost half the match. At this stage I would favour the winners of next Sundays match at likely Champions.
To me Dublin still look like unnatural hurlers.They still have to learn a bit of cuteness ,and how to see things out and get the job done.Hopefully they will keep moving forward and not do a Galway on it.
Agree its hard to know how good Cork are,they never look like scoring goals,so the question is will points be enough in a tight final.No better man than John Allen to get the tactics right, or perhaps Davy himself.
But at the end of the day,its Cork in a final , they feel its their divine right to win it, and will be near impossible to beat on the big day in my view. But wtf do I know anyway
Agree its hard to know how good Cork are,they never look like scoring goals,so the question is will points be enough in a tight final.No better man than John Allen to get the tactics right, or perhaps Davy himself.
But at the end of the day,its Cork in a final , they feel its their divine right to win it, and will be near impossible to beat on the big day in my view. But wtf do I know anyway
U finally got it right celtic. Cork in the final, divinity says they will win it and that will count for a lot next month.
As it so happens a lot of the pieces are falling into place.
That lovely spread of City and County that was the backbone of so many great Cork teams down the year, a brilliant keeper that has always been the foundation of any successful Cork side I can remember and a Manager that knows how to Gel a team.
Mark my words this is a different team that got pounded by Limerick last month.
Personally I would love to see Limerick win an All Ireland, 40 years is a long wait for a team with a great Tradition but the longer it goes on the harder it gets and I for one anyway will be punting Cork for all I am worth in the final
As it so happens a lot of the pieces are falling into place.
That lovely spread of City and County that was the backbone of so many great Cork teams down the year, a brilliant keeper that has always been the foundation of any successful Cork side I can remember and a Manager that knows how to Gel a team.
Mark my words this is a different team that got pounded by Limerick last month.
Personally I would love to see Limerick win an All Ireland, 40 years is a long wait for a team with a great Tradition but the longer it goes on the harder it gets and I for one anyway will be punting Cork for all I am worth in the final
True enough lustrum , have been at 4 finals v the langers and its 2-2 on the scoreboard,but by God its hard work to beat Cork in a final.Would want to be careful of that old failing of overconfidence mind ,but im sure JBM is a bit long in the tooth for that. Lets see how far Limerick or Clare can raise their game before handing ye Liam for a short holiday.
Limerick or Clare would be gutted to be beaten by that Cork team, 2 young teams, but they will probably never get a better chance to win an All Ireland. Tipp and Kilkenny will never be as bad again and that Cork team are plainly nothing special. The winner on Sunday wins it (Both teams have better players than Cork), I think Limerick just, but Clare will be a serious team in the next few years, especially when they get a manager who will just let them play, they have six scoring forwards.
Neill d with respect i don't get that. The upswing in Corks fortunes this year to me came about when Cork fairly hammered Clare by 8 points,accept JBM was cute in going against a strong wind that day still gave them a fair beating.
On a selfish note Clare i think would be better opponents for Cork in Sept rather than Limerick who were at least matching Cork til the sending off and they will be right hungry for it and have a clever tactical manager as well.
Cork lost an awful lot of the breaking ball against the Dubs,the main priority for JBM is to fix that imo,if that is remedied think they will be very hard to stop.
On a selfish note Clare i think would be better opponents for Cork in Sept rather than Limerick who were at least matching Cork til the sending off and they will be right hungry for it and have a clever tactical manager as well.
Cork lost an awful lot of the breaking ball against the Dubs,the main priority for JBM is to fix that imo,if that is remedied think they will be very hard to stop.
Just don't think these lads are as good as the teams ye have had in the past. I can understand that tradition is a factor, but what I find is that the team with the best players usually win the All-Ireland. Kilkenny have been cleaning up in the last few years because they had 3 of the best players to ever play the game in Sheflin, Walsh and Delaney and a stellar cast backing that up.
I look at this Cork team and I don't see that quality of player. When cork won their last All Irealnd, yes tradition and the belief and will to win played a part, but they also had a defense that was so good that players as good as Pat Mulcahy and wayne Sherlock were scrapping to get in.
Cusack, Sherlock, O'Sullivan, Mulcahy, Gardiner, O'Hailpin, Curran, The two O'Conners, Tom Kenny, Joe Deane, Brian Corcoran, Brian Murphy. There are some very very good if not great players in there and that is why they won the All Ireland, I don't think this Cork team measures up to that. Shane O'Neill (who was on the panel when they last won an AI incidentally, Pat Horgan and Pa Cromim are the only 3 players they have now that would get in that team.
I know this isn't strictly fair because the team they have at the minute are on the way up, but counties like Limerick and Clare, when they look at this Cork team will think they can beat it. Players win All Irelands, and these are the strongest groups by far Limerick and Clare have had since the mid-nineties.
I look at this Cork team and I don't see that quality of player. When cork won their last All Irealnd, yes tradition and the belief and will to win played a part, but they also had a defense that was so good that players as good as Pat Mulcahy and wayne Sherlock were scrapping to get in.
Cusack, Sherlock, O'Sullivan, Mulcahy, Gardiner, O'Hailpin, Curran, The two O'Conners, Tom Kenny, Joe Deane, Brian Corcoran, Brian Murphy. There are some very very good if not great players in there and that is why they won the All Ireland, I don't think this Cork team measures up to that. Shane O'Neill (who was on the panel when they last won an AI incidentally, Pat Horgan and Pa Cromim are the only 3 players they have now that would get in that team.
I know this isn't strictly fair because the team they have at the minute are on the way up, but counties like Limerick and Clare, when they look at this Cork team will think they can beat it. Players win All Irelands, and these are the strongest groups by far Limerick and Clare have had since the mid-nineties.
Fair reply and see your point, though Anthony Nash deserves a mention who could i think be on a par at least with Donal Og and Cunningham at this stage,mightn't have anyone really standing out as such but as a unit can't knock them, takes time and consistency for anyone to become a name and you are right that they have come from nowhere this year.
You must be looking forward to Sunday Neill, impressive enough qualifiers from Clare you hopeful/confident with Limerick?
You must be looking forward to Sunday Neill, impressive enough qualifiers from Clare you hopeful/confident with Limerick?
Nash of course yeah, knew I'd leave out someone!! Don't get me wrong, they have players that are stepping up to the plate and they looked a very slick outfit last week against a Dublin team that is on the road a lot longer than Cork have been. Cork themselves will be a better team next year too, but I just get the feeling that this might be the best chance Clare and Limerick will get for a long time. This is the first time I have ever had any faith in a Limerick forward line. With Kilkenny and Galway gone, and having beaten Tipp and Cork already this year, they will never get a better chance than this. I'd go as far as to say that even though it is a young team that can come again, losing the final to Cork would be very tough for those lads to come back from psychologically.
Never 2 confident with Limerick, although they will struggle to mark a few of the Limerick forwards, especially Hannon. Same can be said on the other side though. We'll scrape though.
Looking forward to the game myself, leave it go for a bet as its a tough call.
If ye get through we have all the trains booked,standing room only. GL.
If ye get through we have all the trains booked,standing room only. GL.
Yeah, will be a great final whatever happens, I'd say Allen has something up his sleeve to make sure we get there.
i will be punting limerick at 11-4 for the all ire and hope to trade the stake back and freeroll in the final.i am convinced limerick will have too much for clare.the form is just not there for clare,they were outclassed by cork and they beat a busted flush in galway.
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