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It seems to have worked for other groups so those brave legal people will be demanding vast swathes of cash for again people in the twilight of their lives who just want a few old bob for their grandchildren and a few trips to Lourdes.
There is a snag as its becoming crowded,any angle now to get on the compensation trail,children of sufferers of anything must be compensated,any misfortune is worthy of a few old bob although when you start to talk how much the first word you hear from the people proclaiming its not about money is " a pittance "
There is only one solution give everyone born before 1960 a measly hundred grand and cut all this messing
There is a snag as its becoming crowded,any angle now to get on the compensation trail,children of sufferers of anything must be compensated,any misfortune is worthy of a few old bob although when you start to talk how much the first word you hear from the people proclaiming its not about money is " a pittance "
There is only one solution give everyone born before 1960 a measly hundred grand and cut all this messing
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If this is what you're alluding to, you are a despicable individual -
'200 women who endured barbaric birth operation are cleared to sue'
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/200-women-who-endured-barbaric-birth-operation-are-cleared-to-sue-29201617.html
'200 women who endured barbaric birth operation are cleared to sue'
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/200-women-who-endured-barbaric-birth-operation-are-cleared-to-sue-29201617.html
Borneo, please reassure the forum that the story outlined above is not the one you are alluding to.
If it is, this is a barbaric new low, even for you.
If it is, this is a barbaric new low, even for you.
I could funk it and pick one of the myriad other groups suing us but won't as they are the ones I was referring to.
They have now learned the formula,get on RTE have gushing interviewers trying to show their caring credentials,the same with radio interviews,get your legal people to sound caring and stress certain words,twilight of their lives,a few oul bob for grandchildren and trips to Lourdes and the clincher go as a group to Dáil Éireann,the spineless ones in there can never say no as they just love giving away others money.
What happened these women was wrong by today's mores but not back then,they survived for years without this compensation but the success of the Magdalenes has made them now feel hard done by.
This started with the redress board when everyone who was ever in care received money,it is a given that unspeakable things happened in those dreadful institutions but once no defence was allowed exaggeration became the order of the day and people felt they were entitled to huge money for being cold or not being shown enough love,the state advertised for claimants in America and Australia.
This money is now spent and they are returning for a top up as they couldn't handle the money first time up and they are in the twilight of their lives etc.
We are the State and they are all suing us,these huge sums will have to be borrowed and it will be our children who have to pay it back.
It is a feature in jury's in Ireland as well,they love giving huge sums of money to generally undeserving chancers as they think there is some pot of money available for this,they have to get it that all these awards mean something as to be cut to pay for it,all the while the voracious legal profession are racking up scurrilous dishonest fees.
It is worth repeating that all these groups are suing us and we are not even allowed mount a defence.
They have now learned the formula,get on RTE have gushing interviewers trying to show their caring credentials,the same with radio interviews,get your legal people to sound caring and stress certain words,twilight of their lives,a few oul bob for grandchildren and trips to Lourdes and the clincher go as a group to Dáil Éireann,the spineless ones in there can never say no as they just love giving away others money.
What happened these women was wrong by today's mores but not back then,they survived for years without this compensation but the success of the Magdalenes has made them now feel hard done by.
This started with the redress board when everyone who was ever in care received money,it is a given that unspeakable things happened in those dreadful institutions but once no defence was allowed exaggeration became the order of the day and people felt they were entitled to huge money for being cold or not being shown enough love,the state advertised for claimants in America and Australia.
This money is now spent and they are returning for a top up as they couldn't handle the money first time up and they are in the twilight of their lives etc.
We are the State and they are all suing us,these huge sums will have to be borrowed and it will be our children who have to pay it back.
It is a feature in jury's in Ireland as well,they love giving huge sums of money to generally undeserving chancers as they think there is some pot of money available for this,they have to get it that all these awards mean something as to be cut to pay for it,all the while the voracious legal profession are racking up scurrilous dishonest fees.
It is worth repeating that all these groups are suing us and we are not even allowed mount a defence.
Wildman it would seem to me that what is bugging you is that you really want a slice of the action? And you resent others who have rightful claims like this group to compensation from the state. I notice you seem extremely resentful to the opposite sex i would put this down to advances towards them being spurned !
I was actually in the car heading to Drogheda when i heard the news and said he can't be on about this group he'd never be that ignorant, how wrong was i
As far as a new low has being reached on the forum this is probably true although it's a close call, yesterday richters pretended he had word on a horse that he clearly got from the market movers page on odds checker or site like that only for it to double in price near the off and finish down the field.
I was actually in the car heading to Drogheda when i heard the news and said he can't be on about this group he'd never be that ignorant, how wrong was i
As far as a new low has being reached on the forum this is probably true although it's a close call, yesterday richters pretended he had word on a horse that he clearly got from the market movers page on odds checker or site like that only for it to double in price near the off and finish down the field.
I have never sued anyone and feel it is unpatriotic to sue the State.
Who do you think will pay all this compensation,the women who are now waiting for compensation are at least genuine but the previous claimants were mostly bogus.
I dislike group think and this new tyranny no differing views allowed and in compensation cases no defence allowed is pure wrong.
The army deafness cases was the start and when members of the FCA joined in no one shouted stop,the nadir was reached when the corpulent Louth Labour TD Michael Bell sued the State and collected his alleged deafness was caused by him playing in the FCA band.
The army deafness claims was a coalition of the judiciary and the legal people combining with a group of chancers and robbing the State.
Who do you think will pay all this compensation,the women who are now waiting for compensation are at least genuine but the previous claimants were mostly bogus.
I dislike group think and this new tyranny no differing views allowed and in compensation cases no defence allowed is pure wrong.
The army deafness cases was the start and when members of the FCA joined in no one shouted stop,the nadir was reached when the corpulent Louth Labour TD Michael Bell sued the State and collected his alleged deafness was caused by him playing in the FCA band.
The army deafness claims was a coalition of the judiciary and the legal people combining with a group of chancers and robbing the State.
Not even workrider can back you up on this one Borneo. I feel his shame.
'What happened these women was wrong by today's mores but not back then'. I beg to differ. What happened to these women and the Magdalenes was as wrong then as it would be now. Do not apply the same standards to everyone who seeks compensation. Do not continue to defend the indefensible.
Arfur you actually sound like one of those rapacious legal teams.
You have to get it into your heads that all this compensation money is borrowed and will have to be paid back,true patriots don't sue but our politicians have set a terrible example..
David Norris on Question Time exhorted some Pakistani businessman to sue the state with these unfortunate words " I hope they sue the pants of the state " he himself cycled into a hole and received ludicrous compensation ,Dick Spring was injured in a car crash and received a huge award despite not losing a days pay the circumstances of his settlement was dubious in the extreme.
Every villain that appears in court when explaining his wealth nearly always has as part of his excuse the ubiquitous claim,we now have a divided society those that have received some lump sum and those that haven't.
Misfortune can befall any of us but you have got to get it out of your heads that such misfortune is a Lottery win.
You have to get it into your heads that all this compensation money is borrowed and will have to be paid back,true patriots don't sue but our politicians have set a terrible example..
David Norris on Question Time exhorted some Pakistani businessman to sue the state with these unfortunate words " I hope they sue the pants of the state " he himself cycled into a hole and received ludicrous compensation ,Dick Spring was injured in a car crash and received a huge award despite not losing a days pay the circumstances of his settlement was dubious in the extreme.
Every villain that appears in court when explaining his wealth nearly always has as part of his excuse the ubiquitous claim,we now have a divided society those that have received some lump sum and those that haven't.
Misfortune can befall any of us but you have got to get it out of your heads that such misfortune is a Lottery win.
Do not apply the same standards to everyone who seeks compensation. Do not continue to defend the indefensible.
Well said.
Well said.
This rant by Wildman is nothing short of give me my share plea !
That's the opposite to what I said.
It's selfish and childlike to give things away that aren't yours,its what judges,politicians,Bono and Bob Geldof love doing,they never give any of their own money away.
There is a solution impose a voluntary levy on your income tax,put it in a fund to pay all these huge compensation bills,the ones that agree with this compensation culture can feel good about themselves that they are contributing to these worthy causes,the ones that disagree will be happy in the knowledge that the compensation seekers will no longer be a drain on the public finances.
That is all wishful thinking as no one would sign up,the likes of Rocketfingers thinks this money comes from some hidden pot and we don't have to pay for it but sadly although our generation won't pay for it we will just borrow it our children will.
It's selfish and childlike to give things away that aren't yours,its what judges,politicians,Bono and Bob Geldof love doing,they never give any of their own money away.
There is a solution impose a voluntary levy on your income tax,put it in a fund to pay all these huge compensation bills,the ones that agree with this compensation culture can feel good about themselves that they are contributing to these worthy causes,the ones that disagree will be happy in the knowledge that the compensation seekers will no longer be a drain on the public finances.
That is all wishful thinking as no one would sign up,the likes of Rocketfingers thinks this money comes from some hidden pot and we don't have to pay for it but sadly although our generation won't pay for it we will just borrow it our children will.
Again you fail to distingush between worthy and non worthy cases.
Its chicken feed anyway in the bigger scale of things. If you want to worry about spending money that we don't have, don't fret about compensation culture or banks, its the welfare bill that is the real ticking bomb.
Its chicken feed anyway in the bigger scale of things. If you want to worry about spending money that we don't have, don't fret about compensation culture or banks, its the welfare bill that is the real ticking bomb.
The chicken feed excuse is part of the culture and one used by the legal profession in the softening up process.
Why pursue anyone for back taxes,why pursue welfare cheats when all you will get is chicken feed,you do it out of fairness,
This inability of politicians to say no as evinced by the agreeing to compensate nearly everybody is visible in their reluctance to even look at the welfare bill.
The reduction not cancellation of this respite care grant met such opposition that they caved in,one of the recepients of this grant is the wealthy pension receiving economy wrecker Eamon Ryan and his journalist wife that's how ridiculous this gets.
I am now entitled to free travel but I won't take it as I don't need it but if I did avail of it I could board a train in Cloughjordan travel anywhere I like and bring some alleged carer with me all for nothing,that is ridiculous.
Why pursue anyone for back taxes,why pursue welfare cheats when all you will get is chicken feed,you do it out of fairness,
This inability of politicians to say no as evinced by the agreeing to compensate nearly everybody is visible in their reluctance to even look at the welfare bill.
The reduction not cancellation of this respite care grant met such opposition that they caved in,one of the recepients of this grant is the wealthy pension receiving economy wrecker Eamon Ryan and his journalist wife that's how ridiculous this gets.
I am now entitled to free travel but I won't take it as I don't need it but if I did avail of it I could board a train in Cloughjordan travel anywhere I like and bring some alleged carer with me all for nothing,that is ridiculous.
OZY , of the bleeding heart , Telling all and sundry to give , give , give , Yet when asked to put his hand in his own pocket for a good cause , Does an about face .....The liberal left how are you ....
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i agree with wmfb's sentiments. if only more people had his sturdy moral compass
OZY , ROCKET , I read in the Sunday Times the horrific case of a 5 year old Indian girl been raped by two men ...The really sad thing was the police asked the father to keep quite about it ...The father refused saying , The police did not help my family , they were only there for the rich...I assume both of ye will march on the Indian embassy to highlight this case , Seeing as how caring ye both are ....I confidently expect ye both to press for compensation for this poor family , The father only earned 2e 40c a day ...Surely ye champions of the underdog will not let this opportunity pass , and will hassle the Indian government till this wrong is righted...
160k for Brazilian couple who lost an 8yo boy due to neglect at Portlaoise hospital......
Should have got more, not that it would do the poor people any good.
€224 Million=Church have paid,€1.276 Billion=Taxpayer (Prime Time)
http://www.rte.ie/
news/
2013/
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456657-peter-creighton/
I wonder what this guy will spend his new found wealth on
So Justice system thinks Irish tax payer should give anyone hurt in prison money?
An absolute joke.
news/
2013/
0614/
456657-peter-creighton/
I wonder what this guy will spend his new found wealth on
So Justice system thinks Irish tax payer should give anyone hurt in prison money?
An absolute joke.
It's not their money wmfb so they dish it out like confetti
It's called the Bono Bob Geldof syndrome.
These two multimillionaires have been demanding Money for this and that but never a penny of their own is given,in fact they made money for themselves out of getting the poor to donate to their pet causes.
Emily OReilly another lady who loves giving away others money and charges plenty for so doing,this money generally goes to the most undeserving.
These two multimillionaires have been demanding Money for this and that but never a penny of their own is given,in fact they made money for themselves out of getting the poor to donate to their pet causes.
Emily OReilly another lady who loves giving away others money and charges plenty for so doing,this money generally goes to the most undeserving.
So the government that likes to say yes finally said no.
The Bethany Home residents have now missed out on a lottery win much to the chagrin of RTE who in last nights news asked where do they go from here and included an interview with a former resident who laughingly said we need the money.
What was it that changed the government and made them stand up for the state,was it the demand from Northern Ireland that they be compensated,was it the Orange Order connection.
The Unionists quickly learned that Bertie Ahern loved giving away state money it made him feel good,he promised to build motorways in the North and fund all sorts of things but now that the money has run out we are pleading poverty but the Unionists know we are weak so still managed to draw down millions from us but this latest development is worrying for them.
Now that the government are prepared to protect the state purse I am hopeful that the myriad groups of compensation seekers and their ever brilliant legal teams will at least have to do some work before they get their hands on the loot.
The Bethany Home residents have now missed out on a lottery win much to the chagrin of RTE who in last nights news asked where do they go from here and included an interview with a former resident who laughingly said we need the money.
What was it that changed the government and made them stand up for the state,was it the demand from Northern Ireland that they be compensated,was it the Orange Order connection.
The Unionists quickly learned that Bertie Ahern loved giving away state money it made him feel good,he promised to build motorways in the North and fund all sorts of things but now that the money has run out we are pleading poverty but the Unionists know we are weak so still managed to draw down millions from us but this latest development is worrying for them.
Now that the government are prepared to protect the state purse I am hopeful that the myriad groups of compensation seekers and their ever brilliant legal teams will at least have to do some work before they get their hands on the loot.
the "religious"orders should still pay compensation to their victims.dont be clouding the issue with norther ireland wildman
They weren't victims this is part of the propaganda,they were generally young girls abandoned by their families and abandoned by the state,there was no welfare,there was abject poverty the nuns looked after them.
These were harsher times which is why my tongue in cheek original proposal of a hundred grand each for all born before 1960 was made.
Politicians like to be liked have to appear to be generous and caring so they give money away left right and centre,never their own but to give away money and then go to a group who were not allowed defend themselves and demand they pay is just wrong.
Kavvie your hatred of the Catholic Church is well known but in the case of the Bethany Homes they were Protestant institutions so its not clouding the issue by mentioning the Northern Ireland angle.
These were harsher times which is why my tongue in cheek original proposal of a hundred grand each for all born before 1960 was made.
Politicians like to be liked have to appear to be generous and caring so they give money away left right and centre,never their own but to give away money and then go to a group who were not allowed defend themselves and demand they pay is just wrong.
Kavvie your hatred of the Catholic Church is well known but in the case of the Bethany Homes they were Protestant institutions so its not clouding the issue by mentioning the Northern Ireland angle.
Talking of RTE, they are now peddling a complete non-story regarding 2 toddlers "Walking" out of the giraffe creche at the centre of the prime time investigation. Im sure RTE will push for a redress scheme in future years for residents of said creche
The latest batch have arrived,the latest have already been compensated forty years ago but they have seen the way the land lies so back for a top up.
Thalidomide victims were already compensated and its nothing to do with the State but naturally RTE are using this new brand of emotionalism and the now obligatory twilight of our lives a few oul bob and sure there's only 32 of us line is peddled.
They have been offered 62,500 each this is considered both an insult and a pittance,they are already drawing down a myriad of benefits,if the government had any backbone they would withdraw the offer and tell them go sue the pharmaceutical company that sold them the drug.
I accept I am like a broken record but we must move from the mindset that all misfortune is compensatable and the government is responsible.
The judiciary must also be told to stop making ridiculous awards because although it might make them feel good someone has to pay for it,that's us.
Thalidomide victims were already compensated and its nothing to do with the State but naturally RTE are using this new brand of emotionalism and the now obligatory twilight of our lives a few oul bob and sure there's only 32 of us line is peddled.
They have been offered 62,500 each this is considered both an insult and a pittance,they are already drawing down a myriad of benefits,if the government had any backbone they would withdraw the offer and tell them go sue the pharmaceutical company that sold them the drug.
I accept I am like a broken record but we must move from the mindset that all misfortune is compensatable and the government is responsible.
The judiciary must also be told to stop making ridiculous awards because although it might make them feel good someone has to pay for it,that's us.
Becoming a crowded place again,a few new groups have joined the fray.
A crowd that had been beaten off have reemerged courtesy of the European Courts,these are led by a woman who has already received two tranches of compensation,she has run up astronomical legal bills that naturally the State will have to pay,watch these legal fees soar now that a broken state are now liable.
Will her third belt of compensation sate her?
A crowd that had been beaten off have reemerged courtesy of the European Courts,these are led by a woman who has already received two tranches of compensation,she has run up astronomical legal bills that naturally the State will have to pay,watch these legal fees soar now that a broken state are now liable.
Will her third belt of compensation sate her?
Her third tranche of compensation has come through,155 thousand lets hope she invests this wildly.
If she were to make an injudicious investment have no doubt she will be back with another angle.
Wonder how much the brilliant legal team will receive.
If she were to make an injudicious investment have no doubt she will be back with another angle.
Wonder how much the brilliant legal team will receive.
You are right Silver,she might as well as she knows she can just return demanding more.
Hello Wildman
Some strong opinions once again, put forward far better than i could.
As a patriot,it appears that is how you see yourself. What action have you taken to quell this culture of compensation besides posting on a site in the main for gambolers.
Some strong opinions once again, put forward far better than i could.
As a patriot,it appears that is how you see yourself. What action have you taken to quell this culture of compensation besides posting on a site in the main for gambolers.
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They weren't victims this is part of the propaganda,they were generally young girls abandoned by their families and abandoned by the state,there was no welfare,there was abject poverty the nuns looked after them.
Is there not a hint of contradiction in this statement.
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They weren't victims this is part of the propaganda,they were generally young girls abandoned by their families and abandoned by the state,there was no welfare,there was abject poverty the nuns looked after them.
Is there not a hint of contradiction in this statement.
if the government had any backbone they would withdraw the offer and tell them go sue the pharmaceutical company that sold them the drug.
How did this company get a licence to sell this drug?
How did this company get a licence to sell this drug?
Thalidomide victims were already compensated and its nothing to do with the State
I have never sued anyone and feel it is unpatriotic to sue the State.
to give away money and then go to a group who were not allowed defend themselves and demand they pay is just wrong.
Probably to my shame I have done nothing.
I have vowed never to sue the state,taught my children not to sue the state.
I know of two people who in my opinion defrauded the state by suing,one in just a blatant fraud,the other just succumbed to the barrage of messages telling him to go to the redress board.
The redress board man always told us how well treated he was in the religious institution but he was inundated with requests from individuals to invent stories confirming dreadful treatment in an effort to maximise their compensation,he was written to by the redress board almost begging him to claim eventually he gave in for bogus reasons.
I probably should have reported the fraud but part of my psyche refused to let me become an informer,not logical i know.
I have vowed never to sue the state,taught my children not to sue the state.
I know of two people who in my opinion defrauded the state by suing,one in just a blatant fraud,the other just succumbed to the barrage of messages telling him to go to the redress board.
The redress board man always told us how well treated he was in the religious institution but he was inundated with requests from individuals to invent stories confirming dreadful treatment in an effort to maximise their compensation,he was written to by the redress board almost begging him to claim eventually he gave in for bogus reasons.
I probably should have reported the fraud but part of my psyche refused to let me become an informer,not logical i know.
Thanks for the response.
I still find contradiction within your case.
You are truly Irish.
I still find contradiction within your case.
You are truly Irish.
Its now like a jungle.
The State is like a huge wounded buffalo crossing the Veldt,hovering overhead are some vultures,in the long grass a pride of lions,behind them some lingering hyenas,on the other side a Leopard with some Waiting jackals.
Seems also my suggestion of a measly 100 Grand for all is not near enough.
All sorts of individuals are being used to stripe the state for compensation,law professors human rights lawyers generally from England with big bills in their hands.
In the ludicrously generous deal they have even managed to get included a six grand plus vat figure for some non existent work for some legal people in each case.
What can never be stated is we are not liable,my children are not liable,the state is not liable.
This is my impersonation of Joe Duffy and RTE if they were arguing my case.
It will be the sick and the vulnerable who will pick up this tab,the not already compensated special needs families who will pay the price.
These old broads will await their huge windfall by travelling to Dublin using their free passes whilst heading for their world cruises once again ensuring this money will benefit every economy except our own.
When these have rifled the safe just wait for the next tranche of individuals and their ever brilliant legal teams.
Ian Bailey
Praveen.
The Asylum seeker denied an abortion
The top ups for those that couldn't handle the first tranche.
The prisoners forced to slop out.
All those in direct provision forced to consider prostitution.
They make the bond holders the equivalent of a knitting circle.
The State is like a huge wounded buffalo crossing the Veldt,hovering overhead are some vultures,in the long grass a pride of lions,behind them some lingering hyenas,on the other side a Leopard with some Waiting jackals.
Seems also my suggestion of a measly 100 Grand for all is not near enough.
All sorts of individuals are being used to stripe the state for compensation,law professors human rights lawyers generally from England with big bills in their hands.
In the ludicrously generous deal they have even managed to get included a six grand plus vat figure for some non existent work for some legal people in each case.
What can never be stated is we are not liable,my children are not liable,the state is not liable.
This is my impersonation of Joe Duffy and RTE if they were arguing my case.
It will be the sick and the vulnerable who will pick up this tab,the not already compensated special needs families who will pay the price.
These old broads will await their huge windfall by travelling to Dublin using their free passes whilst heading for their world cruises once again ensuring this money will benefit every economy except our own.
When these have rifled the safe just wait for the next tranche of individuals and their ever brilliant legal teams.
Ian Bailey
Praveen.
The Asylum seeker denied an abortion
The top ups for those that couldn't handle the first tranche.
The prisoners forced to slop out.
All those in direct provision forced to consider prostitution.
They make the bond holders the equivalent of a knitting circle.
A few more to be added to that list.
Jules Thomas
Louise OKeeffe for.
the fourth time
All those that lost their cases but have been brought back in by the distinctly unpatriotic Louise OKeeffe.
Jules Thomas
Louise OKeeffe for.
the fourth time
All those that lost their cases but have been brought back in by the distinctly unpatriotic Louise OKeeffe.
All the forumites who were shocked by my opening post might now start to get my point.
Remember only one view was allowed,these women got a free run.
We now learn that most of these women didnt have symphysiotomies but they gave them a few oul bob anyway.
And once again the big winners were the legal profession.
Remember only one view was allowed,these women got a free run.
We now learn that most of these women didnt have symphysiotomies but they gave them a few oul bob anyway.
And once again the big winners were the legal profession.
So now the "forumites" might now get your point ? Are you for fkn real ? "to get my point" "we now learn " , absolute ar sehole material , on a gambling forum , ffs thats pitiful!
I thought Tobywong would be on telling us that he predicted this all along whilst explaining he was a personal friend of the judge.
Wildman hit the nail on the head with his OP. These compo schemes have no relation to fair and proper justice.
The most worrying aspect was the mention in the report of doctors sending in reports about the pain "Victims" were suffering and it was proven they had never gone under the procedure.
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/10-000-for-accident-prone-man-in-ninth-personal-injury-claim-1.2881096
On another note, heres Irelands unluckiest man......
The most worrying aspect was the mention in the report of doctors sending in reports about the pain "Victims" were suffering and it was proven they had never gone under the procedure.
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/10-000-for-accident-prone-man-in-ninth-personal-injury-claim-1.2881096
On another note, heres Irelands unluckiest man......
Mincer exposed ,the Glin man taking Limerick to the cleaners for years Racingqueen.... Its out in the open now Mince.....
,the Glin man taking Limerick to the cleaners for years Racingqueen.... Its out in the open now Mince.....
A new large group has emerged.
This group is better trained and has learnt a lot from previous groups.
These people will all be suicidal and all in the need of a few oul Bob for grandchildren and trips to Lourdes.
Abandoning your baby is now compensatable.
This group is better trained and has learnt a lot from previous groups.
These people will all be suicidal and all in the need of a few oul Bob for grandchildren and trips to Lourdes.
Abandoning your baby is now compensatable.
Widmanfromborneo..........The more you and the old boys club sweep under the carpet, the bigger the scandal.
Old Ireland at it's finest, what a horrible nasty little country we live in.
At least the Gaurd, Doctor and Clergy have no clout over the people anymore, these cover ups are costing the state a fortune.
The nuns were damn right nasty, my poor old granny even looks over her shoulder while giving about them now.
Old Ireland at it's finest, what a horrible nasty little country we live in.
At least the Gaurd, Doctor and Clergy have no clout over the people anymore, these cover ups are costing the state a fortune.
The nuns were damn right nasty, my poor old granny even looks over her shoulder while giving about them now.
You may think we live in a horrible nasty country I don't.
I think its a great country.
Its oh so easy to blame nuns but you don't realise that times were tough years ago,infant mortality was high,Dublin had some of the worse slums in Europe.
Nuns didnt kidnap these girls.their parents sent them there,someone had to look after them.
Exaggeration is now the order of the day because it means more cash.
No defence is allowed.
One extraordinary aspect is the fact they missed their baby every day for years in these circumstances but the women who have abortions never miss theirs at all
Mind you if they made that compensatable they wouldn't be long in missing them.
The oldest boys club of them all is the legal profession,they are rubbing their hands with glee.
As for your granny ask her does she feel any gratitude for the education those nuns gave her.
I think its a great country.
Its oh so easy to blame nuns but you don't realise that times were tough years ago,infant mortality was high,Dublin had some of the worse slums in Europe.
Nuns didnt kidnap these girls.their parents sent them there,someone had to look after them.
Exaggeration is now the order of the day because it means more cash.
No defence is allowed.
One extraordinary aspect is the fact they missed their baby every day for years in these circumstances but the women who have abortions never miss theirs at all
Mind you if they made that compensatable they wouldn't be long in missing them.
The oldest boys club of them all is the legal profession,they are rubbing their hands with glee.
As for your granny ask her does she feel any gratitude for the education those nuns gave her.
I wouldn't be sicking up for it Gant,it is hard to believe that it did go on.
Maybe i have been lucky but particulary in education never met a bad Nun or Christian Brother really, i got threatened to be sent off with the Good Sheperds and enough leatherings off them alright, i deserved a few i think.
As bad as it was Gant there was edducation and hospitals from them for the relative needy, is todays country more horrible and nastier? a murder every day,the streets awash with heroin,crime through the roof, maybe in 50 years time we will be saying how did we put up with it.
Maybe i have been lucky but particulary in education never met a bad Nun or Christian Brother really, i got threatened to be sent off with the Good Sheperds and enough leatherings off them alright, i deserved a few i think.
As bad as it was Gant there was edducation and hospitals from them for the relative needy, is todays country more horrible and nastier? a murder every day,the streets awash with heroin,crime through the roof, maybe in 50 years time we will be saying how did we put up with it.
She remembers the beatings and the nuns never called to her house for tea.
Thankfully people with your views are few and far between, even die hard members of the Gardai don't believe Noirin.
Having visited the killing field outside Phnomn Penh in Cambodia, I wonder did Pol Pot spend time with the religious orders in Ireland......for a fee of course.
Thankfully people with your views are few and far between, even die hard members of the Gardai don't believe Noirin.
Having visited the killing field outside Phnomn Penh in Cambodia, I wonder did Pol Pot spend time with the religious orders in Ireland......for a fee of course.
Pol Pot,Stalin,Mao, All Atheists Gant. Maybe if they'd spent some time in a religious order, Millions would be still alive . Hard to believe these evil bastards had such power.
One extraordinary aspect is the fact they missed their baby every day for years in these circumstances but the women who have abortions never miss theirs at all
Mind you if they made that compensatable they wouldn't be long in missing them.
What we need are brave, erudite and intelligent men such as yourself wildman telling us how it is on the public airwaves and in the media. I cannot say I don't believe your utterances but do you express them publicly without the comfort of anonymity? What's the worth of an opinion or prejudice that cannot be expressed courageously?
I presume you know from sad or bitter experience that the mothers who have had abortions "never miss theirs at all". It's a pretty astounding statement to make and one wonders are mothers made pregnant by immaculate conception as you seem to forget there may be a "father" involved.
I don't believe in scapegoating the nuns or priests in general - the "Church" was an egregious institution brainwashing all who came within its remit and I'm not so sure our society is much better today when examined in some ways. There will be a few in the Vatican today agreeing with your every word but for differing reasons. A former Taoiseach of the day proclaimed in the fifties: "I, as a Catholic, obey my church authorities and will continue to do so . . . There will be no flouting of the authority of the bishops in the matter of Catholic social or moral teaching." Presumably, this is your milieu.
Mind you if they made that compensatable they wouldn't be long in missing them.
What we need are brave, erudite and intelligent men such as yourself wildman telling us how it is on the public airwaves and in the media. I cannot say I don't believe your utterances but do you express them publicly without the comfort of anonymity? What's the worth of an opinion or prejudice that cannot be expressed courageously?
I presume you know from sad or bitter experience that the mothers who have had abortions "never miss theirs at all". It's a pretty astounding statement to make and one wonders are mothers made pregnant by immaculate conception as you seem to forget there may be a "father" involved.
I don't believe in scapegoating the nuns or priests in general - the "Church" was an egregious institution brainwashing all who came within its remit and I'm not so sure our society is much better today when examined in some ways. There will be a few in the Vatican today agreeing with your every word but for differing reasons. A former Taoiseach of the day proclaimed in the fifties: "I, as a Catholic, obey my church authorities and will continue to do so . . . There will be no flouting of the authority of the bishops in the matter of Catholic social or moral teaching." Presumably, this is your milieu.
“If you come here you’ll find no mass grave, no evidence that children were ever so buried and a local police force casting their eyes to heaven and saying, ‘Yeah a few bones were found – but this was an area where famine victims were buried. So?’,”
The Bon Secours hired Terry Prone as a PR 2 years ago and that was their statement.
I haven't heard anything about compo but I'm sure there'll be a few, however I'd say the vast majority in Tuam anyway just want a genuine apology, and the graveyard marked, ffs they've built houses on top of them, if you buried a dog you wouldn't do that.
The Bon Secours hired Terry Prone as a PR 2 years ago and that was their statement.
I haven't heard anything about compo but I'm sure there'll be a few, however I'd say the vast majority in Tuam anyway just want a genuine apology, and the graveyard marked, ffs they've built houses on top of them, if you buried a dog you wouldn't do that.
Royal Academy.
I wouldn't be let on the airwaves and if I was I'd be no good,I'm not a good speaker.
My complaint is the compensation seeking,this idea that every misfortune is compensatable is wrong to me.
I agree that fathers shouldn't evade their responsibilities.
I think John A Costello was of his time and wrong as was Sean McBride.
Societies move on,we were a dirt poor country back then.
Hating your history,your parents and grandparents by judging them by today's standards is wrong.
GANT007.
You have taken self loathing to a new level.
You think the nuns in Ireland were comparable to Pol Pot.
The bulk of the corporal punishment meted out in schools was done by lay teachers.
We now know corporal punishment is wrong and counterproductive but it was the norm then all over the world.
I wouldn't be let on the airwaves and if I was I'd be no good,I'm not a good speaker.
My complaint is the compensation seeking,this idea that every misfortune is compensatable is wrong to me.
I agree that fathers shouldn't evade their responsibilities.
I think John A Costello was of his time and wrong as was Sean McBride.
Societies move on,we were a dirt poor country back then.
Hating your history,your parents and grandparents by judging them by today's standards is wrong.
GANT007.
You have taken self loathing to a new level.
You think the nuns in Ireland were comparable to Pol Pot.
The bulk of the corporal punishment meted out in schools was done by lay teachers.
We now know corporal punishment is wrong and counterproductive but it was the norm then all over the world.
Wildmanfromborneo.........It's time to break away from the belief that the state was always right and the peasants were the problem.
I don't think the State is always right,its not I just don't think it should be constantly sued.
I also think it should be allowed to defend itself.
I also think it should be allowed to defend itself.
Not even Matlock would get them out of the recent cover ups.
Whatever one thinks of the Church (Personally I think its a joke that is deservedly on its last knees), one can only chuckle at the hysterical hypocrisy of the likes of the IT who one hand clamber for abortion whilst using the deaths of kids in care to batter the catholic church.
Hating your history,your parents and grandparents by judging them by today's standards is wrong.
100% correct. Everything is so clear and easy with hindsight.
Hating your history,your parents and grandparents by judging them by today's standards is wrong.
100% correct. Everything is so clear and easy with hindsight.
It seems to me a lot of the views here are very narrow and allow for no nuance and, in some cases, don't particularly care about collateral damage.
I would rather have the Irish Times and Examiner than the options of Denis O'Brien or the redtops. A newspaper should challenge our thinking daily and "hypocrisy" is not an accurate reflection of a newspaper that offers the musings of both Una Mullally and Breda O'Brien. I personally feel that until abortion is available women will still live under the shadow of the crozier, even if I am ambivalent about the process.
My other objection is to the word "hate": the comment "hating your history, parents and grandparents" is simply wrong for the vast, vast majority of those affected by State negligence/institutional abuse and reminds me of the grief that the holocaust survivor, Elie Wiesel, went through all his lifetime for thinking for a split second that he wished his father dead in the camp to allow himself live. What people hate is the system and the protected elite and, hopefully, there are fewer hiding places today in what is still a fairly unequal society. Hate doesn't come easy to us unless we are brainwashed.
I would rather have the Irish Times and Examiner than the options of Denis O'Brien or the redtops. A newspaper should challenge our thinking daily and "hypocrisy" is not an accurate reflection of a newspaper that offers the musings of both Una Mullally and Breda O'Brien. I personally feel that until abortion is available women will still live under the shadow of the crozier, even if I am ambivalent about the process.
My other objection is to the word "hate": the comment "hating your history, parents and grandparents" is simply wrong for the vast, vast majority of those affected by State negligence/institutional abuse and reminds me of the grief that the holocaust survivor, Elie Wiesel, went through all his lifetime for thinking for a split second that he wished his father dead in the camp to allow himself live. What people hate is the system and the protected elite and, hopefully, there are fewer hiding places today in what is still a fairly unequal society. Hate doesn't come easy to us unless we are brainwashed.
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