When you get a superstar like Flemanstar, why would you mess him around?

they prob know a bit more about it than you or me!?!they tried to make all at xmas.btn by small margin.they held him up today and he was btn again.so its fair to say he doesnt stay that far.nothing ventured nothing gained.he will win ryanair if he goes for it.would be madness taking on sprinter sacre.

today was same result as over xmas............dont give them any encouragement for making bad decisions...........over 2m 4f he beat SDC by how far?

i think the horse has been disappointed by the change of tactics employed recently ..my own take on the matter is , this horse jumps for fun , he loves been up front taking on his fences at speed , this new tactics are simply confusing the horse ...he was dropped out 6/8 lts behind the leader today , yet at every fence he made up at least a length ...hes beaten a length and a half at the finish ....i looked at him in the ring  he stood head and shoulders above the rest of the field ...this horse knows hes a star , its a pity the connections don't have the same belief i him and let him get on with it....btw it was a smashing race.....

workrider............hes a 2m and/or 2m 4f horse.......nothing else needs to be discussed

thats your opinion and you're entitled to it ..all i'm saying is they are disappointing this fellow....

I agree workrider.

One of the best jumpers ive seen in a long long time.

Let him get on with it by himself up front and he'll jump them into submission.

he sent him on 4f from home at xmas...............and he didnt stay............if he sent him on a mile from home over 3 miles.........he wouldnt stay either.........

i really cant understand this ..he did not stay bit ....as i said let him go off in front and if he gets beat.....THEN AND ONLY THEN WOULD I SAY HE DID NOT STAY.....

as an side , he sent him on after the 2nd last at xmas which is about 2 1/2 furs at most ...certainly not 4 furs....

Hopefully all involved see sense, and let him rubber in the Champion Chase. Now that would be a sight worth going a long way to see.

Would really love to see Flemenstar run in the Champion Chase where he could bowl along and use his jumping and it would take an exceptional horse to come past him.If his campaign was based around the 2 mile race I think he would win it but 2 hard races over a distance beyond him is not the ideal preparation .Sprinter Sacre is not unbeatable . If you scutinise his form he has yet to beat a proper Grade 1 horse. His 2 runs this season have been against really poor opposition.

i think he'd have a chance against nickys superstar ...he'd boss that fellow for about a mile and get him thinking , i'd say he enjoy taking them along and would be hard to pass , having said that s.s. is some machine....

Seems you had a decent day there WR,hopefully bit of a change of luck for ya. Flemenstars attitude seemed wrong when he was reined back ie the head looked awkward and ears flat,he seemed to hate being held up. Think i,d like to see him hare off over the 2m as well,he is such a lovely jumper and gains lengths.

best days racing in a long time lapsy ps ..started off with the usual 2nd ..then it went turbo .....summer star , i put my glasses down after the 2nd last ...thought to myself , not wanted today ...then wooooosh ....ended up backing champane , then bob...then backed discoteca @ 5/1 w/o 3 ....no bet in the hennessy , finally salsify @ 4/1 ...cheltenham here we come.....

Good Man

thanks lapsy , it makes a nice change i can tell you , i'm going to naas with renewed confidence tomorrow , have word for one there ....its amazing what a few winners can do ....

Backed Norah Star, and Tammys Hill. Ya came out the right side of those WR, though i still not sure how!!

i'm normally on the receiving end of those callit , made a pleasant change , left my phone at home , when i got home it had a message telling me to back tammys hill ..so my lucks changed , and thank god for that....i could hardly believe bob got up , then it looked as if tammys had beaten off salsify and look what happened ...there is a god after all...

Brilliant race to watch the Hunters,Salisfy was cruisin' and cut through them easily just before turning in,did very well to fight back in the end,ground coming a bit more right for him.

Yeah, he deserved to win, poor jump at last nearly done him. Faster pace at Chelt will enable Sweeney to hang onto him for bit longer too. Two good hunters. Hard to see how Chapoturgeon will have improved from last year, so could be one for us again.

agree lapsy , he looked beat after the last , but he loves leopardstown , he ran the same sort of race there last year as well , he should run well at cheltenham with the going likely to come in his favor...we have some nice hunters again this year....i felt sorry for willies , looked as if clonmel was taking its toll from a long way out today...he's been a grand servant over the years....

They should have a craic at the Galway Plate with Salsify after the Foxhunters. He looks made for handicap chases with the way he travels.

CheltenhamRoar • February 9, 2013 6:51 PM GMT
One of the best jumpers ive seen in a long long time.

Let him get on with it by himself up front and he'll jump them into submission.

The Horse does not stay Bore, seriously usse what is between your ears however small it is for a second. Can you imagine a true run race over 3 miles, he won't get it nothing about letting him jump them into submission, what a daft cliched comment

backed it @ 4/1 there was plenty of 7/2 about as well , i must say i was surprised a its return price of 3/1...must have been a lot of late money for it....?

Flemenstar patently does NOT stay 3 miles. the Ryanair is the only race for him at Cheltenham. As for talk of the Champion Chase.... Don't make me laugh...

Fair play Thickster but there really should be rules against plagiarism on the forum, now i wonder where you got that idea from???? ^

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Ha, two birds with the one stone as they say.

Wd workrider good pickin ,would have loved to see Flemenstar having a bash of Sprinter Sacre without that slog yesterday coming on top of the Tidal Bay battle,btw you have to give credit to Russell for kicking on so early and drawing it out of the fav.

Agree with you Lapsy the horse looked confused/unsettled at been held up .Tactics surely cost him a couple of lengths there yesterday. At least they learned two things for certain he does not stay three miles an should not be held up. On a more worrying note with Cheltenham in mind he looked to be well revved up and on toes before the race ,hardly a good sign for a creature about to be thrust into the Collisium  that is Prestbury Park. Personally I love this horse but if he travels (which there must be some doubt about) i wont be a player no matter what race they go for.

Yes Oufie,don,t think anyone mentioned he was in a bit of a state pre-race and he sweated up a bit as well, you could well be right to be cautious with him in future.

he was in more of a state at christmas.
i thought they done the right thing yesterday. Kept him away from pre parade ring and came in late to parade ring, only went around once and out then.

TIME FLEMENSTAR WENT TO A DECENT TRAINER

I thought Justin O Hanlon got it pretty spot on in his RP analysis.Another issue re Cheltenham looks like the horses inability to relax pre race which will surely be exaggerated by the travelling and the whole occasion of Cheltenham.

Debate has raged for weeks about the best distance for the charismatic Peter Casey-trained chaser, who has looked so smart at up to two and a half miles, and connections were keen to give him another chance at three miles after his third-placed finish in the Lexus Chase over Christmas.

Flemenstar was held up by Andrew Lynch and eventually beaten by a length and three-quarters in the Hennessy Gold Cup, but Curran wants to see if something was wrong with the gelding before important decisions are made.

"He seems OK today, but I would say he underperformed," said Curran.

"He wasn't himself. Andrew said he had to push him into the jumps, which he never has had to before.

Profiles Flemenstar (IRE)
"He didn't carry Andrew at all and we cannot put a finger on it, there was no life in him. He didn't sparkle. We'll have him tested over the next few days and maybe we will find he had got an infection, or there was something amiss."

Flemenstar has entries in all three of the feature chases - the Gold Cup, Ryanair and Queen Mother Champion - and Curran insists nothing is set in stone.

He said: "I'm not sure, we will just see how he is over the next few days. We are good losers and I don't want to take anything away from the winner. In all fairness, he's a very, very good horse and I'm pleased for the O'Learys (Sir Des Champs' owner Gigginstown House Stud)."

Looks like Mr.Curran cannot read the writing on the wall or doesn't want to. Hope this doesn't end in tears.

i can understand where hes coming from at same time.narrow defeat over 3m.followed by a defeat where they think he might be under the weather?..remember desert ordhid was looked on as a 2 miler ..then he won king georges etc..the wise men said hed never get up the hill in chelt..he did in bottomless ground?

They need to let the horse rub his normal way whatever the distance imo

run not rub

"he has proved conclusively that he is not a 3 mile horse"..........thats what peter caseys son said on ATR

true.the impression i got at christmas was that if jockey restrained him a small bit more 4/5 fur out he might have won.im still not convinced if he was ridden properly he wouldnt stay 3m plus.and im not blaming a lynch unduly.hes learnig about the horse all the time.one thing for certain is that restraining him as much as yesterday will never work.

What distance is the Gold Cup anyone ?

26 and 1/2 furlongs!

Connections seem confused , and not willing to accept the fairly firm evidence associated with the horses initial splendid performances .

He is not anything approaching the Arkle class  whose name was taken in vain in the odd utterance from somewhere . Time for realism to set in and park the pipedreams .

Still a brilliant horse , wish I owned him , plenty of empties to be picked up in these isles between now and May , and Cheltenham not necessarily the best track for him .

Anyone who has to ask what the distance of the Cheltenham Gold Cup is patently should not be posting on a thread such as this.

kelly is right.why go to chelt at all?its not the bee all.if hes a bad traveller run him in ireland..mop up 3/400k between now and may

hey slick ....soapp seems to think there were  few people at leop on sat ...you sure you were there ..or are you doing a rocketfingers job.....

Niall Cronin ‏@HeraldRacing
#Flemenstar exclusive Peter Casey has just informed me that Flemenstar "was found to have lung infection" and "Cheltenham is in the balance"

Niall Cronin ‏@HeraldRacing
#Flemenstar "is now on antibiotics and has to take it handy for two weeks. Owner is considering Aintree if Cheltenham doesn't happen."

Hey Wonky read my post again. It was not packed compared to previous Hennessy days. Not even close. The only time there was any "atmosphere" was when Boston Bob was called the winner. All the 6-packers roaring their little heads off...

naw you warn't there mate simple as.......you're just regurgitating soapps post....

What are you wittering on about now you old buzzard? Thought Stubby took over the mantle of the Forum Fool. Don't prove me wrong Wonker....

thicko PLEASE READ YOUR POST SLOWLY .......
slickster     09 Feb 13 22:42 
The place was empty for Hennessy day Wonky and there was NO atmosphere. You sure you were there?

again i ask you to read this post slowly  thicko........
soapp     11 Feb 13 18:15 
It certainly was a great day up there. The roar of the crowd was unreal as Boston Bob found wings to overhaul the unlucky Texas Jack. It reminded of the roar that greeted Danoli when he won the Hennessy many years ago.

no atmosphere ...please refrain from using other posters views as your own thicko..you always get found out...know what i mean....

Hey idiot soapp's views are DIFFERENT to mine. You just CANNOT be for real. OFF TO BED WITH YA....

Just see there on the main forum flemstar was reported to be suffering from a lung infection and Cheltenham now in the balance

you said that there was no atmosphere , me and soapp say there was plenty of it .soapp even wen as far as saying it compared to danolis hennessy day.....yet according to you , there was NO ATMOSPHERE , WELL YOU PLANK , of course soapps views are different to yours ..HE UNLIKE YOU WAS THERE....

A simple question for you Wonky. How many people were in attendance at Leopardstown on Saturday?

Thickster, the zenith of wonky's counting skills are sub 20 so no way he'd be able to count a few thousand.

sorry i didn't count them thicko ..but i'll tell you something , as i came off the m50 20 mins before the first , the traffic was right back to were you come off at the ramp ..even at xmas it was not that bad ...in fact my mate missed the first because of traffic ....but of course you know better ....the betting shop was full to overflowing most of the day....the books took plenty of bets ..it all adds up to a good crowd ..but i'm sure you'll prove me wrong on all counts....

i see your bosom pal has arrived to help you out....flushed no doubt with his winning on st pats....

Here we go again hot fav gets turned over, rather than except the fact the horse was outstayed on dead ground they pull out some other excuse, it happens so often that the cry wolf symdrome comes into play, when the time comes when they're actually telling the truth you don't know whether to believe them or not?.

That is some horse that Flemenstar, ran a storming race race on saturday despite having a lung infection, should be instantly promoted to gold cup favouritism?.

"it all adds up to a good crowd". Now were getting somewhere Wonks. Never said there wasn't a good crowd there but your suggestion that it was bursting at the seams is laughable. Do us a favour. Go to bed and give your brain cell a goog night's sleep

now thicko i think both your brain cells must have bumped into one another ...again i ask you ....please read slowly....
workrider     09 Feb 13 21:43 
well said thecookie , a smashing days racing , in fact one of the best cards EVER AT LEOPARDSTOWN ....the atmosphere was brilliant , lots of young people there making lots of noise , long may it last...

Crowd was up 16% on last year, atmosphere was fantastic, especially for Boston Bob and Salsify's wins

dont tell him that slabster , you'll only disturb the poor lads thinking , he likes to think he knows ..leave him be....

Was the crowd in the region of 20,000 like in the late 90's early 00's? Now that's what i call "atmosphere".

ffs grow up you clown ....memo to thickster .....IRELAND IS IN RECESSION.....

That's why there was a lack of atmosphere Wonky ya tool. Shooting yourself in the foot ya old goat. Lack of atmosphere compared to previous years. Comprendez?

THICKO ,    what you're trying to do is called moving the goal posts , you stated quiet simply in your post , that there was  NO ATMOSPHERE at leopardstown....NOW you are trying to say it was BECAUSE OF THE RECESSION..........YOU AND COCO GO HAND IN HAND....

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