When you get a superstar like Flemanstar, why would you mess him around?

they prob know a bit more about it than you or me!?!they tried to make all at xmas.btn by small margin.they held him up today and he was btn again.so its fair to say he doesnt stay that far.nothing ventured nothing gained.he will win ryanair if he goes for it.would be madness taking on sprinter sacre.

i think the horse has been disappointed by the change of tactics employed recently ..my own take on the matter is , this horse jumps for fun , he loves been up front taking on his fences at speed , this new tactics are simply confusing the horse ...he was dropped out 6/8 lts behind the leader today , yet at every fence he made up at least a length ...hes beaten a length and a half at the finish ....i looked at him in the ring  he stood head and shoulders above the rest of the field ...this horse knows hes a star , its a pity the connections don't have the same belief i him and let him get on with it....btw it was a smashing race.....

thats your opinion and you're entitled to it ..all i'm saying is they are disappointing this fellow....

One of the best jumpers ive seen in a long long time.

Let him get on with it by himself up front and he'll jump them into submission.

i really cant understand this ..he did not stay bit ....as i said let him go off in front and if he gets beat.....THEN AND ONLY THEN WOULD I SAY HE DID NOT STAY.....

Hopefully all involved see sense, and let him rubber in the Champion Chase. Now that would be a sight worth going a long way to see.

i think he'd have a chance against nickys superstar ...he'd boss that fellow for about a mile and get him thinking , i'd say he enjoy taking them along and would be hard to pass , having said that s.s. is some machine....

best days racing in a long time lapsy ps ..started off with the usual 2nd ..then it went turbo .....summer star , i put my glasses down after the 2nd last ...thought to myself , not wanted today ...then wooooosh ....ended up backing champane , then bob...then backed discoteca @ 5/1 w/o 3 ....no bet in the hennessy , finally salsify @ 4/1 ...cheltenham here we come.....

thanks lapsy , it makes a nice change i can tell you , i'm going to naas with renewed confidence tomorrow , have word for one there ....its amazing what a few winners can do ....

i'm normally on the receiving end of those callit , made a pleasant change , left my phone at home , when i got home it had a message telling me to back tammys hill ..so my lucks changed , and thank god for that....i could hardly believe bob got up , then it looked as if tammys had beaten off salsify and look what happened ...there is a god after all...

Yeah, he deserved to win, poor jump at last nearly done him. Faster pace at Chelt will enable Sweeney to hang onto him for bit longer too. Two good hunters. Hard to see how Chapoturgeon will have improved from last year, so could be one for us again.

They should have a craic at the Galway Plate with Salsify after the Foxhunters. He looks made for handicap chases with the way he travels.

backed it @ 4/1 there was plenty of 7/2 about as well , i must say i was surprised a its return price of 3/1...must have been a lot of late money for it....?

Fair play Thickster but there really should be rules against plagiarism on the forum, now i wonder where you got that idea from???? ^

Wd workrider good pickin ,would have loved to see Flemenstar having a bash of Sprinter Sacre without that slog yesterday coming on top of the Tidal Bay battle,btw you have to give credit to Russell for kicking on so early and drawing it out of the fav.

Yes Oufie,don,t think anyone mentioned he was in a bit of a state pre-race and he sweated up a bit as well, you could well be right to be cautious with him in future.

TIME FLEMENSTAR WENT TO A DECENT TRAINER

Debate has raged for weeks about the best distance for the charismatic Peter Casey-trained chaser, who has looked so smart at up to two and a half miles, and connections were keen to give him another chance at three miles after his third-placed finish in the Lexus Chase over Christmas.

Flemenstar was held up by Andrew Lynch and eventually beaten by a length and three-quarters in the Hennessy Gold Cup, but Curran wants to see if something was wrong with the gelding before important decisions are made.

"He seems OK today, but I would say he underperformed," said Curran.

"He wasn't himself. Andrew said he had to push him into the jumps, which he never has had to before.

Profiles Flemenstar (IRE)
"He didn't carry Andrew at all and we cannot put a finger on it, there was no life in him. He didn't sparkle. We'll have him tested over the next few days and maybe we will find he had got an infection, or there was something amiss."

Flemenstar has entries in all three of the feature chases - the Gold Cup, Ryanair and Queen Mother Champion - and Curran insists nothing is set in stone.

He said: "I'm not sure, we will just see how he is over the next few days. We are good losers and I don't want to take anything away from the winner. In all fairness, he's a very, very good horse and I'm pleased for the O'Learys (Sir Des Champs' owner Gigginstown House Stud)."

i can understand where hes coming from at same time.narrow defeat over 3m.followed by a defeat where they think he might be under the weather?..remember desert ordhid was looked on as a 2 miler ..then he won king georges etc..the wise men said hed never get up the hill in chelt..he did in bottomless ground?

run not rub