very true, Mr Rat, the context here was of course the delights of dusty maidens.

Rocketfingers had to be there for the pub discussion,remember it was the last ten women thank God it was limited.
Any discussions of that nature are always dominated by the lonely fantasists indeed tis they that always introduce the topic and tis they that go home alone,they are nearly always childless and as some of the old stagers used to say stop talking about it just produce it when needed,these same gentleman used nearly always have a fondness for lewd behaviour.
The two posters who try to introduce smutty infantile posts on a regular basis are the well matched Ozymandius and Rocketfingers

It was either that or the infamous blow up doll got the works.

Cash, workrider.  One doesn't leave one's card details in such establishments

Borneo, no need to be such a prude. Perhaps its time, even at your age, that you got back in the saddle?

Kelly I normally like your posts but I think you are way out of order on this thread, not only with its title but with your comments about how the bans and the standard of the investigations. You do not live in the county anymore,so you may find it hard to understand what has happened to our club within the county since the final.
What should have been one of the proudest days of our small club's history has turned into a nightmare and has been turned into an anti-GAA campaign by the BBC. Our local clubs taunt our members yet many of these clubs have more serious problems within their own clubs. The achievement of getting to the final has been lost in all this. The best team on the day won partly due a dodgy penalty and another goal from the kick out but mainly due to the lack of experience at that level from our club (check the delay after the Kilcoo goal).
With regard to the "investigations" there is not a shred of evidence to back up AC's claim and the suspensions you quoted are also incorrect (another BBC error). Another point is the initial proposed 4 month suspension for one of our players was for using a term P##i, the same word was used throughout the game by a Crossmaglen player to a Kilcoo defender. Kilcoo will not bring this or other "sledging" up as the game is over and may look like sour grapes. If the investigators looked at the video evidence how can they miss some of the punches thrown (by a Cross sub and their management).
I am not anti Cross, in fact I have been around the country supporting them over the years and love the way they play football but they have a sinister element to them (ask Mickey Linden - which prob makes them the winners they are).
Joey Cunningham stated that he suffered racist abuse for 20 odd years in the Irish league why did he not go to the BBC when this first happened? I am not a racist and I know our wee club will come back bigger and stronger, so all the local clubs get your own house in order before having a go at Kilcoo. 
My first post since the final - Merry Xmas everyone

Puke football rules , a few facts.

I have not attacked Kilcoo . I have picked up the facts from reportage , and from what I have gleaned 2 of the Kilcoo players were found guilty by the GAA of abuse of Aaron Cunningham . No blame attaches to any of the other Kilcoo players , and I have been at pains to point that out in various posts .  So I am not attacking Kilcoo , I am just ashamed that 2 players from my county have allegedly crossed a line they should not have . I was born and bred and have lived in Down all my life outside of 2 years plus in Dublin post Uni , still live in Down and while I am no longer actively involved in football my grandchildren are ( and in hurling such as it is in Down ) . I spoke today to the chairmen of our 2 local clubs , one of them is  a relation .

Your gripe , properly , is with any slant the media may have put on events . None of that is down to me , I just expressed an opinion regretting the initial incident . The reportage I heard on TV was that 2 Kilcoo players had been suspended , one for 6 months , another for 4 months in connection with the alleged racism abuse incident . If that reportage is incorrect there will be legal steps taken to rectify that , proper order .  And recent events in the BBC are not all champagne and roses as we all know for incidents much more serious than this . And if Kilcoo are taking flak from other clubs in Down that is regrettable and not worthy of a county where generally speaking we have always been able to hold up our heads in the best company .

You may have gleaned from previous posts that I am actively pro GAA , think they have added a huge amount to Irish life in the last 100 years plus . But if there is any problem my attitude has always been to tackle it head on and publish the truth , anything else is unworthy . Not always popular in certain quarters  , but you cant live with a lie . You may also have gleaned that my view on some of the admin at top level in GAA has not always been favourable , have seen some things brushed under carpets which should have yielded different actions in my book . Dont want anything similar in this or any other case . Some of our administrators have been brilliant , but sometimes the "committee " process and over reliance on referees reports has been disadvantageous . Referees are not above the law , and several of my acquaintance are not worthy of the trust bestowed upon them  , but thats going back a bit and it was common knowledge in certain circles . And that was before Betfair when the only way to make money was to back with the bookies .

If Mark Sidebottom says he heard stuff , I believe him . From any conversations I have had with him I have him down as sound . But he is not a referee , albeit as a responsible reporter his voice has to be heard .

The good that may come out of the incident long term may outweigh any disadvantage accrued short term . Thats the hope . And as I posted earlier Kilcoo should not be pilloried if 2 of their players did act as alleged .  You can take a horse to water but you cant make it drink , and individual players in the heat of a moment can revert to behaviour not consistent with what team mentors have tried to instil .  But if the players are guilty as charged the club will have to be proactive somehow  , and I understand that Kilcoo have said as much  , fair play to them .

Comparing GAA and soccer attitudes to racism is not a level playing field .  Relatively speaking GAA is racism free , soccer as reported daily in the media is not .  But thats a debate for another day .

Cheers .

Puke , seems to me that your gripe is mainly with media reportage . Re sorting out Kilcoo hard men , way back maybe , point was that they were not hard men , they just aspired to be .

Under age achievements by Kilcoo were spectacular even in my period of heavy involvement at club level , only problem was they did not translate that ability to senior level .  No idea whether they have overcome that problem , results suggest they have . Our club ( though I have tenuous feet in two clubs given grandchildren and younger relatives participation ) put out reams of under age footballers , and they win things , but it stops there .  One of the longest serving players with a heavy involvement of himself and family was telling me yesterday that all our current senior team are under 25 , and lots of the potential "other" players are in Australia or USA . Guess that is not unusual , where I go to in Kerry they say that their exile team ( mainly and traditionally in USA ) would beat their "domestic" team tomorrow if they met .   

Views on media correspondents are often related to perceptions people form .  All I can say related to the person in question is that any conversations I have had with him left me assessing him as sound , other people may have different views .  I did not hear any utterings from him at match time or subsequently , just expressing my view on how I have found him over recent years  and I take people as I find them generally unless they have "history" I am aware of , and I tend to find that leopards tend not to change their spots .

Dont know Aaron Cunningham from Adam , know he was voted Ulster Player of the year recently by some means , so reckon he is useful .  Did know his dad in so far as he played against teams I was involved with , but as far as we were concerned ( and as it should be ) his lineage was irrelevant . I expect his dad did suffer abuse occasionally in GAA circles , but he dismissed that apparently , his main gripe re that revolved around his soccer experiences . Double edged sword that probably , coloured and a "taig" .  Northern Ireland people tend to buy into slagging  , aware of that recently from personal experience ( grandchildren ) and those not native to here tend to have thinner skins than us natives who often have had to battle sectarianism throughout our lives .

The relative behaviour of Cross and Kilcoo players in what should have been a showcase Ulster club final seems to have been below the level I would expect from two teams / clubs / organisations who theoretically at least are rowing in the same direction . Not sure how that happens , it is after all only a game , recreational . Time to sort out any motes in our eye , assuming they are real .

Cheers and Happy Christmas .