Camelot Arc

do u think the shts will run him?he can win with a top class jock up imo.

Murtagh will probably get passed over I would say. I mean even if the horse is drawn on the wide outside he'd still offer up his usual tactical genius and get him boxed in with nowhere to go a furlong out.

easy boy

1    SEA MOON GB M.PS. 4 A.    59,5    ***     KHALID ABDULLAH    SIR MR. STOUTE    783.881
2    ST NICHOLAS ABBEY IRE M.PS. 5 A.    59,5    ***     . D.SMITH/MME J.MAGNIER/M.TABOR    AP. O'BRIEN    2.981.873
3    MEANDRE M.PS. 4 A.    59,5    ***     . FAMILLE ROTHSCHILD    A. FABRE    807.117
4    MIKHAIL GLINKA IRE M.PS. 5 A.    59,5    ***     RAMZAN KADYROV    A. SHAVUYEV    226.322
5    Robin Hood Ire M.Ps. 4 A.    59,5    ***     . MME MAGNIER/M.TABOR/D.SMITH    AP. O'BRIEN    41.124
6    RELIABLE MAN (GB) M.PS. 4 A.    59,5    ***     . PRIDE RACING CLUB    A.DE ROYER DUPRE    1.175.322
7    NATHANIEL IRE M.PS. 4 A.    59,5    ***     LADY ROTHSCHILD    J. GOSDEN    1.563.847
8    ORFEVRE JPN M.PS. 4 A.    59,5    ***     . SUNDAY RACING CO. LTD    Y. IKEE    9.078.767
9    AVENTINO JPN M.PS. 8 a.    59,5    ***     MLLE KAZUKO YOSHIDA    Y. IKEE    103.488
10    SHARETA (IRE) F.PS. 4 A.    58    ***     S.A. AGA KHAN    A.DE ROYER DUPRE    1.726.199
11    Haya Landa F.Ps. 4 A.    58    ***     MME ODETTE FAU    MME L. AUDON    124.285
12    SOLEMIA (IRE) F.PS. 4 A.    58    ***     . WERTHEIMER & FRERE    C. LAFFON-PARIAS    239.555
13    KESAMPOUR M.PS. 3 A.    56    ***     S.A. AGA KHAN    M. DELZANGLES    220.800
14    CAMELOT GB M.PS. 3 A.    56    ***     . D.SMITH/M.TABOR/MME J.MAGNIER    AP. O'BRIEN    2.186.314
15    MASTERSTROKE USA M.PS. 3 A.    56    515     . GODOLPHIN SNC    A. FABRE    215.100
16    ERNEST HEMINGWAY IRE M.PS. 3 a.    56    ***     . MME MAGNIER/M.TABOR/D.SMITH    AP. O'BRIEN    8.275
17    IMPERIAL MONARCH IRE M.PS. 3 A.    56    ***     . MME MAGNIER/M.TABOR/D.SMITH    AP. O'BRIEN    390.531
18    YELLOW AND GREEN GB F.PS. 3 A.    54,5    ***     CHEIK ABDULLAH BIN KHALIFA AL T    N. CLEMENT    134.535


Saonois will be supplemented tomorrow

Buick for Camelot

hello!ok i'm in.........lump on.....fill your boots

aces up!

hell is for fckig heros

Dropping like flies at the front of the market, first Snow Fairy then Danedream and Nathaniel, even my quiet fancy lively outsider "No Risk at All" is gone.

Maybe Camelot might take his chance afterall in a much weakened field?, his defection will weaken it even further.

Reliable Man EW for me more by default than design, if it runs of course?.

Dettori on it

Spot on thebrave Frankie takes the mount. 10-1 taken late yesterday afternoon about this happening, 5-4 was the last price I saw before markets suspended. Not such a big surprise ! Hope he wins now

does that mean the end of frankie with the boys in blue....?

you could be right there workrider.
remember a few seasons ago when frankie rode for o brien in the leger and the sheikhs werent best pleased.
frankie later made a statement that this wouldnt happen again.

Godawful and Coolmore where not very friendly back then though, relations would be a whole lot better now, Aiden has had runners at their big meeting and i think i heard they had bought some Darley stock too

i await the outcome with more than a little interest , as was said frankie did not please his paymasters when riding a leger winner for coolmore a few years back ....

From memory I think Frankie was unavailable to ride in Ireland for Godolphin that day

Going to have a look

Not quite right but similar. Frankie asked the Sheikh's permission to ride Motivator in the Irish Champion Stakes at Leopardstown that day and then he jumped off him to ride Scorpion in the St Leger for Coolmore instead

Mentioned in this article in Telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/horseracing/2364926/Dettori-to-ride-Scorpion-in-St-Ledger.html
http://www.breakingnews.ie/archives/2005/0829/sport/frankie-quite-likely-for-motivator-ride-218278.html

Can't believe that it was back in 2005!

Frankie quoted in Guardian 3 days before the race

"I don't know anything about Scorpion, no one has spoken to me about it,"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2005/sep/07/horseracing.tonypaley1

who gives a shte,the ins and out does'nt put denaro in yre arse pocket.frankie is top class and will not fck up.get on!

^ are you on the gargle full-time now? I thought my language was bad!

zzzz.....ah,db all u want to do is pontificate about irrelevant  drivel

LOL - you could be right there!

Personally I think Frankie is gone at the game and is more of a negative than a positive. If Camelot has a bad draw you can see Frankie writing the race off in his head already.

SADLY I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT DB1974......i think he is a big race jockey though , and just might be up for it..i'm hoping with all the withdrawls coolmore might have a plunge on this fellow and drive its price into the ground ..then i'll lay it ...cant see this fellow beating older horses....

Listen lads, Dettori is probably in the region of 7lbs a better jockey than Jp, and would have won the Leger cosily on Camelot. No doubt the young man panicked with all the pressure,triple crown etc. So listen dont be laying Camelot for too much, Dettori is a great man for the big ocassion, and listen the opposition is somewhat sub-standard, so beware...............Camelot and Frankie could be a match made in Paris...........................

Was Yutaka Take not available?

No, he was took,

camelot even in a relatively weak arc like this weekend could not win even if it was only carrying the ghost of fred archer ,
get your christmas paid for lay it all you can afford its no  feckin chance

Don McClean went for Sea Moon and Masterstroke on Newstalk last night. Both win only. Hayley reckoned Shareta.

Liam Nash on Sport at Seven this evening went for Shareta and Great Heavens. Both each way.

Heading over on Sunday morning after spending Saturday at Gowran.

Should be a cracker of a card. I'm hoping for as many Irish wins as possible. Camelot in the big one for me would make my weekend if not Silver Greaser's!

Actually soapp the race has cut up so badly even the one I was going to back almost by default Reliable Man was taken out yesterday, there is 3 pacemakers 2 for O'Brien and one for the fancied **** horse, looking at the race the best of St Nics form surely gives him an excellent EW shout at around 12/1, I'll probably be cheering for Joseph on Sunday, what I think of the stable doesn't mean I'm immune to backing some of their horses, I'm sure both Camelot and St Nic will be running on their merits on Sunday, whether they're good enough remains to be seen?, no need to try and second guess the stable in the Arc.

How do i bet on the french tote ?

i was told id get about 7/1 on Camelot on the french tote

You usually have 3 choices in the bookmakers, take the morning price, the industry price which is the English bookmakers own live shows or you can write PMU on your docket if you want French tote odds steve.

yes thats it can i back on line with the PMU ?

How do i know what the PMU tote odds are ? forgive my ignorance silvergreen and thanks for the info
The tote is the money taken in and devided among winners and each way correct?

Might be able to do it here,not altogether sure.
Press horseracing
Press Tote (right underneath horseracing)
Closed now but you should know fairly early tomorrow morning.
Good price if you get it.

ok thanks but if i go to current bets and click on tote bets only options are

Tote GB
Tote South Africa
Tote Ireland
Tote USA   

there is no french tote.

i'll try what you said in the morning but it may only be the totes above.

Steveirll, The PMU as far as I know is amalgamated with the English and Irish totes, so I wouldn't guarantee you'd get anything near 7/1 on Camelot, because if a horse is showing up on the the tote at ridiculous odds there is usually a flood of money before the off which shortens it up considerably, back in the 80's and 90's taking the PMU on a foreign runner on the French or American racing would often give you huge dividends.

You,re right,not there at all,Irish one isn,t either,sorry about that.

very true silvergreaser

you can bet into french tote pools on the bet365 website
go to horseracing, international, sunday racing , longchamp, select race and then hit the pools tab

thank you sir for this info

That showed Camelot for what he is,very average.Bookies showed themselves up with the miserly sp of 9/4 which they should be totally ashamed of themselves.

bookies will trade on a supply /demand basis.if people were willing to play at 9/4 they are right to take it!!

no excuses....was'nt good enough

Maybe Kavvie,still was around the 5 mark on the exchanges,books would be screaming murder in regards arbing if the other way round,thought myself there was too much of a difference to justify 9/4.Not right imo.
Mr Hogans Gordon Lord Byron has come a long way since the beginning of the season contesting handicaps to winning Group 1,well done to him.

Here we go again the so called calm exterior of the so called worlds best trainer shot to pieces again?, could barely control himself after his son was beaten on the heavy odds on shot at Doncaster, at least today the son wasn't riding but the excuses for the vanquished super horse were pouring out conveyor belt like, you better believe it guys next year Camelot is going to be the greatest horse that ever existed, but only at 10f mind you?

I hope to go to this next year. Would be a fun weekend in Paris in some of their fine family run brasseries and small cafe bars.

But when the so caled calm one calms down and Jesus isn't talking, we might see in the media in a few weeks time that Camelot has picked up some sort of mysterious ailment or injury and we've decided to retire the greatest horse we've ever ever trained.

He returned with a cut hind and lost a shoe midrace.

Lapsy pa do you really believe that?, such is the amount of cry wolf for beaten superstars in horse racing you're entitled to be sceptical about everything they say, I'm years and years listening to excuses for vanquished superstars and even if they're telling the truth I don't believe them because its become so robotic, whatever you do make sure you have an excuse, no horse is ever beaten fair and square!.

Who knows Silvergreaser it might be true,anyway Aidan was clearly very disappointed post race he actually might have believed Camelot is better than today.

rocket you will soon get sick of paris..snotty nosed waiters carting you out glasses of heiniken at 8e a shot and the glass half full of froth.or a few little mouthfuls of tapas at 20e a go.i hate the place..

2/1 seemed really low for Camelot today, all things considered.
I don't understand O'Brien's approach though and I feel he has backed himself into a corner.
He said post-race that he thinks that 10f is the horse's best distance but I note he hasn't ever run over that trip !
He also said that he's better on good ground.He may well be -but from  what I've seen he doesn't possess the acceleration one would expect of a high-class Gr1 good ground animal.
I don't understand why he ran two pacemakers today if his main contender was a 10f horse.
The only saving grace may be if the horse comes back rested and gives it a go under his optimal conditions next year.
In retrospect he probably suffered from the slog over 12f of Curragh mud where he rolled around at the 2f mark when put under pressure.-and going for the Triple Crown, while brave, probably did the horse no favours either.
Camelot is beginning to look like an enigma and/or his campaign has been handled maladroitly.

I think vubiant has summed it up pretty well pa lapsy, its becoming tiresome now, he keeps tripping over himself trying to justify the hype, when St Nic was beaten by his stabemate that wonder horse Windsor Palace, he said it was the 10f trip that caught him out (we all know the horse was barely even fit), and when he was beaten in the King George Aidan says we think he's a better horse at 10f's, of course Frankel left him floundering, the guy is like one of those wind up toys, say the same thing over and over again, and when that doesn't quite work out change the record and say the same thing over and over again, but you're so confused by now Aidan you keep tripping yourself up and not one of the media are ballsy enough to question your contradictions!

Been there before Kavvie, jeez i did not spend that on a drink though, the most iirc was 6 once in an Irish bar in the Moulin Rouge. I was drinking spirits in our hotel which was in La Defence area, i quite liked it though as a City yes of course it's expensive but it's a great city and Dublin is pricey but as a City Paris leagues ahead of the place in what it offers.

I would have thought APOB would know better than to continue throwing the superlatives around and continually giving hostages to fortune.

He seemed like a complete nervous wreck (more than usual) in the interview with Matt Chapman just after the race,to keep trotting out "the best we've ever had" is just a broken record at this stage.

If ever a guy needs serious psychiatirc help its Aidan, surely this man is taking the job of training horses into mental breakdown territory?, no you're not god Aidan, relax ffs and let everybody around you relax, because at the end of the day you can't actually make a slow horse run fast?, and if a fast horse runs fast it wasn't you that made it run fast, it was born fast ffs, chill out man and take a stiff drink, it'll do you the world of good believe me!.

Henry Cecil is sick with cancer and Frankel has'nt closed down?

Sad to say but APo'B has lost credibility with most punters.............

I have to say I like Aidan but I can't help thinking what % of the decisions does he actually make.

judging by his usual schpiel ('best ever' etc over numerous years now) and demeanour he appears to be under an immense amount of pressure. I mean no doubt the ballydoyle job comes with a lot of pressure but lately it really seems to be affecting him and I feel sorry for him. I don't believe he thinks all these horses over the years are the 'best ever', I really don't.Hes an intelligent trainer who does appear to have at least some sembalance  of an inferiority complex, at least thats how I read his words and body language from time to time. He knows how good his horses are (generally), of course given the depth of talent at his stable that 2nd and ever 3rd strings will win now and again, esp given the nature of pacemaking in horse racing and that fact that many times the jocks in behind will simly misjudge. This marketing machine he seems to HAVE to push CONSTANTLY is why I feel sorry for him. No other trainer is expected to do this, at least not as much as Aidan.

Now maybe he really does believe Camelot is the best hes changed but there is no way HE BELIEVES all these horses that hes 'best ever''d really are the best hes trained. Unfortunately he is expected to take advantage of time,and when a big race is won or two or three hes gotta be on telling the world this is the greatest horse we have ever seen even tho he doesnt believe it.

I feel sorry for the chap, and find it surprising that people actually take what he says literally without actually considering HIS situation and what is expected of him.

changed = trained

How can you feel sorry for a guy that believes his own myth?

I dont think he does. he just seems like a normal bloke to me, family man, who is v uncomfortable with a camera pointed at him and uncomfortable having to market every horse as the best ever. hes a bumbling mess at this stage and has resorted to using the same superlatives over and over to big up horses he really doesnt think are the best hes trained. this is just my opinion, I dont know him from Adam, just going on what I see from his antics on the track.

He should take a leaf out of his bosses book.....say very little, kill the interview on his terms and smile. Leave the stallion promotion to the marketing department. AOB is clearly not comfortable in front of a camera but it just maybe part of his job description.

Todays interview was cringeworthy.I like AOB but he was a mess today telling lie after lie.
I was actually LOL at the **** that was pouring from his mouth.
Coolomore are very clever people but they're turning their operation into a bit of a joke with all this carry on.

im not sure he has a choice tbh gents.

Were  any of u watching ATR when he was trying to walk the track but the French Steward wouldnt allow him only for Matt to come over from atr 'Do you speak French Matt '

Just saw the interview again,about 20 listens in 2 minutes,the guy was manic considering the way he used to conduct himself when interviewed when he used to just thank god and the chance to train the horses and now it's either excuses or saying the horse (whichever one it is he's being asked about)is the second coming.

Don't think he's doing his health any good.

I said here ages ago that they are under financial pressure and so is Aidan OBrien and it's beginning to show.
The new found gambling prowess,the suing for peace with the Arabs and the entry of some new wealthy victims all pointed to the chill wind blowing through Ballydoyle.

would you care to expand a little on that wildmanfromborneo....do you mean they've overstretched  themself's a little financially , or are you saying theres something sinister going on.....just wondering ...

The row with the Arabs has cost Coolmore,they don't buy Coolmore stock furthermore they instructed their trainers not to buy any either,this has forced the breeders to rethink their policies.The financial downturn has hit them hard also they are investors all over the place some of these have been wiped out,the pressure is on for the horses to deliver.Camelot is now perceived as ordinary,the Leger defeat was a disaster,Aidan OBrien is feeling the pressure plus he has the added pressure of trying to protect his son who may ultimately wrongly take the blame for the Leger defeat.

fair points ...thanks...

Wildman I can't accept the Coolmore guys are in trouble financially. If they survived 2008 then for any investor it has been win/win ever since.

On a purely horseracing basis how lucky are we as fans of it that the young fella made a mess of the Leger. Imagine having to put up with the hype of a triple crown winner that in reality is no better than an average Derby winner with an attirude problwem

I dont agree wildman, insofar as you say that "his son who may ultimately wrongly take the blame for the Leger defeat", imho he got it wrong. Probably the pressure got to him.Too many instructions,maybe, on what to do, when to go etc.,with stamina concerns over the distance a big factor, he is only a young fella you know. For him it was mission impossible.The mistake they made, and are surely regretting, is not putting Frankie up at Doncaster. He would have won comfortably imho and then Camelot,the history maker, would be retired with job done .....................a stallion.

I have always been of the opinion that Aidan nominating his son as de facto stable jockey can only ever end in tears. As a business there can't be any room for sentiment and the young lad couldn't possibly have the wisdom and experience for one of the hottest hot seats in the world. Every problem or crisis was going to be exacerbated by the father/son connection. If "the lads" are annoyed with the young lad putting up overweight on a regular basis or unable to ride a horse like Camelot on Sunday what happens when they voice their displeasure to dad? If Aidan's hand is ever forced on this issue, his days in Ballydoyle will be numbered. What a silly position for these uber wealthy guys to find themselves in.

The Coolmore situation is interesting: up to now they have led the field thanks to untouchable stallions and their uncanny ability to repalce one champion with another. Goffs last week was amazingly positive but it was Sea The Stars that was the pre-eminent stallion. The Arabs may not be supporting Coolmore-sired youngsters but it seems that in Jim Bolger they may have suddenly unlocked the secret to competing successfully against Coolmore with, ironically, sons of Coolmore champions. I don't for a moment think that there are financial difficulties but the level of competition is increasing all the time with endless newcomers from Qatar and the Middle East changing the face of the game. We have been fortunate here in Ireland to a certain extent in that the advisors surrounding the Arabs are generally silver spoon merchants and Sheikh Mohammed himself seems an extraordinarily stubborn man. As I've often remarked how he has wasted tens of millions in past decades is flabbergasting even if it's source is an endless pit. If you take a critical look at the present roster of Coolmore stallions I think that they need some serious additions. John Magnier will not be around forever and his departure from the scene will leave a huge gap to be filled in Ireland. He is a genius.

Irish and British racing is also in a parlous state because of bookmaker hegemony and the action is now firmly in France, Australia and the Far East. Racing in Germany and Italy is in very bad shape the the Americans have ruined their industry through bute and lasix not to mention the fact that your average "horseplayer" is regarded as something nasty on the sole of your shoe.
This year's flat season in Ireland was a virtual non-event with the weather not helping much. No-one is interested in the flat so most days are to support the industry and racecourses are happy to get their hands on TV money. Classic days have been ruined by lack of competition and the one saving grace for the industry is the strong export markets we have developed. Coolmore are also to the forefront of the China Syndrome and that's probably where the future is.

The outlook for the flat-racing landscape in ten years time is not pretty.

Great post Royal Academy.
Just to clarify when I say Coolmore are under financial pressure I don't say it with glee,the last time I posted about this others thought I had some anti Coolmore agenda.I have long admired both Ballydoyle and Coolmore and
D for them to keep the Arabs at bay bearing in mind the discrepancies in resources has been some achievement,long may they continue to do so.

That is a fantastic post Royal academy.

wildman bore is talking nonsense,he gets his infomation from his own deluded head  when in a drunken stupor or from town drunks living in the locality of coolmore.the problem with irish flat racing is not AOB,hes just a patsy.magnier is the problem.

I wonder wildman if you are getting your info or observing some of the people outside the big 3/4 and deducing the kinngs are under pressure as well. That would be a mistake. The managers and side-kicks might be feeling the pinch a little bit but the Tabors and Magniers of the World have more money than ever, of that I am certain

Excellent stuff Royal Academy. I wonder what are the odds of Camelot being retired to stud in Febuary due to "an injury sustained while being prepared for the Tattersalls Gold Cup"

I was told today that he would be with C Swan being prepped for the Triumph hurl..........

The truth is the loss of both Montjeu and Danehill in quick succession not to mention the inevitable demise of the great one himself Sadlers Wells has put a huge dent in the once untouchable Coolmore conveyor belt, yes they still have son of Galileo, his legacy is almost as famous as his father already, so I'm sure Coolmore are hardly in panic mode.

They could do with a new trainer all the same, not one that is all consumed by Jesus Christ in our now secular society, oh yeh Aidan don't forget you are the messiah, but only a simple horse trainer after all?, wasn't it great to see Tom Hogan pick up a group one with the vastly improved Lord Gordon, lord it Tom because you don't exist in the sycophantic world of horse racing, if your name is not O'Brien Weld or Oxx you can't train you know?

or Sole Power for Eddie Lynam, you can't train fast horses guys, only the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ can?

to be fair the coolmore 2 year olds look a poor bunch this year, and if they thought the had the next best ever  amongst them comealot would be off to stud probably after the irish derby.
he will probably have to stay in training to keep the hype going if the nexts seasons then 3 year olds are as bad as they look.
and if he can be campaigned against this years poor crop of three year old they could reignite the best ever bollux.
but then again enke may just be a late improving three year old and the gamble might fail if he gets whacked every time next season by him.

They could do with a new trainer all the same, not one that is all consumed by Jesus Christ in our now secular society, oh yeh Aidan don't forget you are the messiah, but only a simple horse trainer after all?, wasn't it great to see Tom Hogan pick up a group one with the vastly improved Lord Gordon, lord it Tom because you don't exist in the sycophantic world of horse racing, if your name is not O'Brien Weld or Oxx you can't train you know?


Seek help you lunatic, totally obsessed.

I'm no lunatic premier, maybe if you look a little closer at the guy you're steadfast in defending you might find a lunatic, but I'm sorry for been honest and its me thats the lunatic?.

Are you suggesting that Tom Hogan could be parachuted in to replace Aidan for next year and the results would be roughly the same silvergreaser?

I'm not steadfast in defending anybody but you have an unhealty obsession with the O'Brien family that you really need to get over, you are constantly rambling like a madman about the family and the organisation they work for, some of the times of these ramblings would suggest when liquored up (could be wrong though).

Well I'll put it this way bassanio, Henry Cecil has been virtully hospitalised for nearly the entire 4yr career of Frankel, most probably trained by his assistant and the experienced work riders, yes the horse is something special but when Henry wasn't around he didn't actually crumble in on himself did he, why? because a trainer can't turn an ugly duckling into a swan, in this case a swan to a duckling, but its ok guys its me thats the lunatic because I dare question your pre-concieved ideas of what constitutes a horse trainer, imo the horse defines the trainer not the trainer the horse.

Look premier I can't stand how they operate, I once was a huge admirer of the Coolmore operation now I've lost all respect for them, once you could back their horses with confidence now I'm terrified of touching any of theirs, I'd think twice with stolen money, might be prudent to back them now because Joseph is within touching distance of the jockey championship mind you.

Oh and yes you're right premier I like a drink, I don't think I've ever denied that fact.

There is an awful lot of judgement in picking the staff to work with you and picking the right men to do the job. It can be clearly seen in cases such as Michael Jarvis where Varian is proving that he was obviously a very capable assistant. Likewise Eddie Hales was the backbone of the Bailey operation.

I don't know the staffing situation in Ballydoyle but I am sure there are many that would have worked alongside or under Vincent and they are worth there weight in gold now. However I am equally sure that Aidan is also something very special as his results have proven ever since he was in Pilltown. If Aidan was allowed to train exactly as he saw fit, I am sure he would be doing some things differently but he must at all times be alive to the fact that he has to promote these horses for stud purposes and at the moment the pressure seems to be getting the better of him.

Of course Aidan can train horses that there can be no doubt, but I always wondered what other capable trainers not within a country mile of what Aidan has at his disposal think when the media are adorning Aidan with accolades even god himself would be proud of, maybe just maybe another top class horse just won a horse race.

Interesting wouldn't it to hear what these trainers really think bassanio?.

get with the program sil.....these patriots dont like it

aidan had himself proven before he ever got in contact with coolmore.thats the difference

id like to see him train a few jumpers again!

outstanding!well said.....another boring old c1nt    zzzzzzzzz

This seasons flat season has been a near disaster with soft/heavy ground far more in evidence than decent flat ground. While the Ballydoyle 2 y o's look a poor bunch this season I would hold off on definite judgements because of this . There may very well be a couple of classic hopefuls that have yet to see a racecourse.
Have to agree with Royal Academy's post re Joseph O'Brien. It is becoming clearer all the time that he is not a top jockey and as Coolmore is an international business the situation will not continue and something will have to give . Think it would have been better to have him sharing the rides with others and let him gain experience slowly.

I think the lad (JPOB) will have learned a lot this year irrespective if he is kept on or not,he made some mistakes alright-they all do and even the legendary MJ Kinane had his moments so I wouldn't be too hard on him.

not sure why everyone is completely writing off their 2 yrs olds. fair enough no group 1 winners yet i dont think but plenty of maiden winners that could progress and they're bred to do it.