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By:
The Gotchee
When: 08 Jun 12 21:39
Brosnans relationship with Coolmore should be more transparent. Is it possible to find out through the Freedom of Information Act? Does his position come under the auspices of the Standards in Public Office Commission? His personal dealings with Coolmore should be made public.
By:
silvergreaser
When: 08 Jun 12 22:29
I was been a little generous to say the least by suggesting they were stipulations when in fact they were only recommendations from McGoldrick, one a convenient one the other was a genuine concern from McGoldrick, but the lowering of the apprentice claim wouldn't have went down too well with the trainers who employ them for obvious reasons.

Gotchee no coincidence eh that virtually anybody who is anybody within HRI/Turf Club are all involved with the breeding race horses in some form or other?.
A job for the boys goverment quango swimming in vested interests.
By:
wildmanfromborneo
When: 08 Jun 12 23:25
I actually agree with The Gotchee and Silvergreaser with regards Dennis Brosnan,he is in charge of a multimillion pound budget and at the same time availing of cut price stallion fees from Coolmore.
I disagree with ye about Joseph O`Brien with Silvergreaser it appears mean spirited and vindictive,with The Gotchee it just seems harsh
He is young and unproven but he is coolness personified and a great judge of pace,things can go wrong with any young man but Silvergreaser seems to be wishing him harm and The Gotchee pouncing on anything that could be construed as a bad ride and highlighting it.
By:
silvergreaser
When: 09 Jun 12 09:16
Wildman where did you see me slagging off Josephs riding ability?, this is not about whether Joseph can ride or not its all about Irish racings corrupt regulators pandering to one particular groups every calling,the cynical raising of the weights was yet another of the many examples of how the Coolmore tail has been wagging the dog ever since the formation of HRI.

The father son fairytale would have a certain more reverence to it in my eyes if sinister forces wasn't at work to allow this fairytale to continue well for the foreseeable future anyway.
Brings me back to "no individual should be bigger than horse racing" actually more to the point one particular conglomerate.

Wildman why did you ignore the genuine arguments I put across in previous posts that scoffed at HRI explanations for the introduction of these totally uneccesary weight changes?.
It was they said "Dehydration" and supposedly a genuine concern for the health of our flat jockeys.
As previously mentioned McGoldricks concern about dehydration centered around young apprentice jockeys, his recommendation for a lowering of the claim from 10 to 7 was so they would ride out their claims a lot quicker so as to minimise the risks and opportunities for wasting.
HRI ignored this genuine concern for the health of the apprentice jockey yet cynically and conveniently introduce changes where health issues and a jockeys ability to do the weight with a great degree of comfort was never an issue, and wildman if as they say its all about health then why can jockeys still ride at 8st4? and just to let you know once again jockeys can still ride in Britain at 7st12 and nobody seems to be unduly perturbed about that?, maybe its because some jockeys particulary women jockeys are genuine lightweights so it broadens their opportunities to avail of rides.

These recent changes introduced to Irish racing not only helped one particular individual enormously but also helps to reinforce the dominance of the bigger and more senior jockeys while discriminating against the younger and genuine lightweight jockeys who have absolutely no problem doing a natural weight, the goalposts were moved to facilitate an individual struggling bigtime to do an unnatural weight.
Brings us back to the supposed health issues again, by upping these weights to facilitate this individual is it not actually detrimental to the health of Joseph O'Brien?, prolonging the chaps agony, its pretty obvious that Joseph is wasting to try and contain his weight, flies in the face once again of the supposed health concerns of HRI doesn't it?.

Look if you upped the weights to 10 stone, guys who had a natural weight of 11st would waste to try and avail of as many rides as possible, its always been the law of the land.
The moral of the story if Joseph can't do the weight, then to put it bluntly thats his tough sh!t so move on, thats what other jockeys with similar problems had to do and nobody was around or powerful enough to move the goalposts for them now were they?.
By:
The Gotchee
When: 17 Jun 12 21:01
Went off like a scalded cat today, not surprising he finished tailed off.
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 17 Jun 12 21:24
The Gotchee that is simply wrong

If you did any research firstly you would know that hows the horse is ridden at Navan and how it was promoted to Oaks favorite on the back of it and even if you did any sort of slight research after the race you would know Kissed broke a bone in her leg and has been retired to Coolmore post race nevermind the fact that any person who knows what there talking about could see that she was lame on her foreleg.
By:
The Gotchee
When: 17 Jun 12 21:33
Didn't realise she broke down, that explains everything. Anyway, Joseph is still a very average jockey and I have done plenty of research on his riding ability.Silly
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 17 Jun 12 21:34
Laugh

hehe
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 17 Jun 12 21:37
Lucky to be alive actually. Looking at where that Sesamoid bone is it looks like the ball between the main bone and the hoof. Could easily have been really really really nasty.

Joseph lucky to pull him up or he could have had another Furners Green on there hand.

900,000 she cost after all
By:
The Gotchee
When: 19 Jun 12 16:04
Another Shocker.Sad
By:
p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y
When: 19 Jun 12 16:18
Hampered by a horse breaking down in front of him, surprised he didn't factor that eventuality into his ride Plain
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 20 Jun 12 16:23
What a ride.

The biggest races this guy does it.

2000 Guineas
Derby

150th Prince of Wales....relishes pressure.
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 20 Jun 12 16:38
Delighted for John Magnier. What a gent to let a baby ride his Million Pound horses.

Irish Derby next weekend. #letsgo
By:
kingrat
When: 20 Jun 12 16:55
sil,sort this gezzer outWinkyeah the kid did well,didnt fck it up,never in doubt tbf,put the wheels back on the wagon,all aboard the f&g train nowLaugh
By:
The Gotchee
When: 20 Jun 12 17:00
#itwillallendintears. Cry
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 20 Jun 12 17:03
LaughLaugh

Ah sure look, Ryan Moore ruined the horse. Took Joseph to get on board to find out how himself and smiley had f8*ked him up. Aidan may aswell retire, he looks like his son will be taking over the reins soon with the younger O Brien as assistant and the 2 young girls as lead riders.

Aidan and the mother be retired to kitchen duty.
By:
The Gotchee
When: 20 Jun 12 17:18
Annmarie thought Aidan all he knows. Only for Annmarie, he would be still mucking out at Bolgers.
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 20 Jun 12 17:20
#rockofGibraltar
By:
The Gotchee
When: 23 Jun 12 11:28
Not having a good week. The ride on Homecoming Queen was comical. Magnier cant be happy.
By:
kavvie
When: 23 Jun 12 12:02
why was the ride comical?..rode it like the ir guineas except the horse didnt go on ?..
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 23 Jun 12 12:25
His ride on Fame and Glory was awful as well

#ohwait

The Gotchee thinks Homecoming Queen was the best filly in the 2000 GuineasLaughLaughLaugh. Thinks she is Camelot the horse that couldn't win a maiden in 7 +starts.

Astrology ride was awful too

#ohwait
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 23 Jun 12 12:25
1000 Guineas*
By:
silvergreaser
When: 23 Jun 12 12:42
I think you might find the Gotchee is hinting at how O'Brien got his whip all tangled up in his reins when he tried to change hands.
By:
The Gotchee
When: 23 Jun 12 12:42
One and a half furlongs out he tried to change his whip, it took him ages and got it tangled in the reins It looked very bad. When he did eventually get it changed the race was over. Poor ride looked very amateurish.
By:
kavvie
When: 23 Jun 12 12:52
i didnt know that he got reins tangled,horse was beaten anyway.fame and glory was ridden by jamie spencer
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 23 Jun 12 12:55
LaughLaughLaugh

Horse beaten out of sight by same tactics that give her her greatest ever success and you start talking about changing whips. Incredible
By:
kavvie
When: 23 Jun 12 13:01
thats the point im making
By:
The Gotchee
When: 23 Jun 12 13:08
ruby,I don't know what psychedelic and  hallucinogenic substances you are on but you need to give them up. The ride looked bad.Plain I never said anything about Fame and Glory so please stop misquoting me.
By:
wildmanfromborneo
When: 23 Jun 12 13:40
I have this vision of Silvergreaser and The Gotchee as modern day Madame Defarges knitting away, waiting waiting for Joseph O`Brien to make a mistake.
By:
mightymoyes
When: 23 Jun 12 13:48
2 sad acts that are waiting to slaughter a 19 yr old for any small error.
By:
silvergreaser
When: 23 Jun 12 14:03
Its not Joseph that bugs me its the operation he rides for.
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 23 Jun 12 14:22
I am on the substancesLaughLaughLaughLaugh

and you are blaming him for Power run( yet the fact he was being pushed along into the straight and the nile then broke down in front of him).

Got his whip mishandled on a horse beaten 10l the same way she is always ridden.

Blaming him for Kissed before you checked your facts that she suffered a career ending injury during the race.

Saying John Magnier is fed up with him when he gave him the Job Full time and has won AOB first classic in UK for how long?

2000 Guineas
Epsom Derby
Cornation Cup
Prince of Wales
Tatts Gold Cup
Racing Post Trophy
Breeders Cup Turf

Your telling me John Magnier is disappointed with that return on his colts. He doesnt give a monkeys how the fillys run. He could care less, as long as they are retired safe and sound. But he cares deeply about his COlts and that return is sensational by any estimation for him. He gave Joseph the job knowing full well the risks and potential reward from this partnership.

Joseph makes mistakes as does any person who is 19 years of age but he is far and away the most talented and dedicated horseman for his age and yes he has been brought up with a silver spoon racing wise but look at Spencer/Harrigton/Mullins/Berry/Hughes etc etc he has done far more in his short career than these lads/girls will ever do. He is more well rounded human that most and I reckon could do well in  anything he put his hand too.

The hysteria is completely gone out of control. But i will state the following. Joseph has not done either of the following.

1. He is not an alcholic
2. He doesnt abuse Cocaine
3. And he didn't drop the reins on Giants Causeway in the Breeders Cup Classic!!Mischief despite being what age?
By:
kingrat
When: 23 Jun 12 14:27
wildman bore making a nuisance of himself again eh,a tool!Winki c the kid is riding 1 for nicholls in the 5.35,at 14-1 its a tasty e.w bet and definitly can win this imo
By:
wildmanfromborneo
When: 23 Jun 12 14:52
Kingrat Gant007 really hurt you with his sharp riposte,which comment has upset you and i will try to explain.
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 23 Jun 12 15:02
What age is the younger O Brien does anyone know.

He has the size to make a right go at the Flat game. He looks say 12-14 range, now a growth spurt may happen but he looks like he be more like his father than his mother height and size wise.
By:
wildmanfromborneo
When: 23 Jun 12 15:15
Kingrat you are well named,felt sure there would be no response from you, noticed a few nervous attempts of you to engage but they were half hearted and dripping with fear.
If you have something to say say it,don`t be frightened.
By:
kingrat
When: 23 Jun 12 15:21
get over yre self,ya boring old gitGrin
By:
wildmanfromborneo
When: 23 Jun 12 15:23
Paralised with fear i see,stick to the informing.
By:
kingrat
When: 23 Jun 12 15:28
yeah i am shtting myselfLaughnow is that itWink
By:
wildmanfromborneo
When: 23 Jun 12 15:44
It was that same nervousness that turned you into an informer.
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