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By:
slickster
When: 11 Jan 11 22:07
ivan was too naive in this cut throat game. couldn't or wouldn't adapt.
By:
monksfield2
When: 11 Jan 11 23:07
I've never had a cheque bounced before.  Is the 10 euro fee a charge for posting the dud cheque back to me?  If so, it should have arrived back by now.  Or do I still have to incur the expense of travelling to the branch to ask for the cheque so that I can bring it to a Celtic shop?  I've e-mailed the liquidator, but don't expect that to bring me any joy.
By:
Kerrygold
When: 11 Jan 11 23:16
just go to your bank branch and demand the cheque back - then bring it to shop asap - remember aib pulled the plug they were owed chunks so how would he have any money in his aib account it was there money anyway

i honestly dont know how they are still operating - what about if someone hits them with an acca for six figures good look getting that
By:
Newmanix
When: 11 Jan 11 23:38
Fook me monks, I have had a few cheques bounce on me.  They post them back with a note to refer.  Maybe I am too persuasive demanding cheques from creditors who just want to see the back of meDevil Bring the cheque and evidence of non crediting your account to the shop asap.
By:
Oliver Twist
When: 12 Jan 11 13:26
How long before Betpack have their names above all the indos? Or will that ever even happen? They are basically the one bookie now anyways. You can place a bet in The Track or whatever and collect your winnings in Bamburys or any other Betpack member......

My favourite Celtic special back in the day was that they guaranteed the best price on football singles.
By:
kavvie
When: 12 Jan 11 13:27
are bruces next?closing in kilrush i hear..
By:
chingachgook
When: 12 Jan 11 13:29
my local bruces are in arrears with their rent,a lot of their shops
are probably in the same situation.
By:
kavvie
When: 12 Jan 11 13:54
it is a lovely shop and always seemed to be doing well..im surprised really..
By:
harry31
When: 12 Jan 11 14:20
Betpack!!!!!

Just been told in Tullys that my bet on the 2nd fav was a loser in a race that was won by the 7/2 jt fav.

"why?"
"Because that race was won by the jt fav"
"what horse was I on then?"
"it doesn't matter because the 2nd fav didn't win - the jt fav did"

Phone call to Head Office confirms and I am told "If I don't like it, to bring it further"

Little wonder shops are closing down.
Poor Chris O'Keefe would have loved that one.
By:
kavvie
When: 12 Jan 11 14:25
what do u think they should do?its not an easy one?..if there were 4 co favs and urs came second to one of them?ud have 4 running for you if u get what im saying?
By:
harry31
When: 12 Jan 11 14:40
I'm assuming you're not taking the ....

i would have thought most people in a betting shop(certainly behind the counter and most definitely at Head Office)would know that your stake is divided by the number of joint or co -favs there are in the race.

In my case with 2 jt favs, your €20 win becomes €10@7/2-returns €45
In your example (co-favs of 4)-becomes €5@7/2

Exactly the same as happens with dead-heats(assuming they don't pay in full as a concession)

That their @rseholes at Head Office don't know thi,s is beyond belief.
By:
chingachgook
When: 12 Jan 11 14:46
thought they all stopped taking bets on unnamed 2nd favs long ago
By:
harry31
When: 12 Jan 11 14:53
No,and no logical reason why they shouldn't take them.
By:
chingachgook
When: 12 Jan 11 14:57
must be thinking of a certain bet then
By:
lustrumm
When: 12 Jan 11 15:41
jeez Kavvie that is poor from you not to know that one.

In a race where there are 7/2 joint or co favourites any bookie would be glad to lay any unnamed horse no matter what is on the slip.
There are rules for all those eventualities.
As for Ching most shops state no each way on second favourites for the very reason you are referring to
By:
Win only - Sp only
When: 12 Jan 11 15:42
kavvie     12 Jan 11 14:25 
what do u think they should do?its not an easy one?..if there were 4 co favs and urs came second to one of them?ud have 4 running for you if u get what im saying?


oh dear
By:
scoobyknows
When: 12 Jan 11 15:47
The bank will send back the bounced cheque,normal charge is 4.75!
By:
kavvie
When: 12 Jan 11 16:16
sorry i obviously didnt understand the context!of course it should be payed as a percentage as stated above.a friend of mine yesterday had a ton ew on a horse in laddies and if the fav won u get money back...fav won,his hosre was unplaced.i thought he should have got a ton back?..they said it was on win bets only?..he queried it as the win part of the bet was a "win"bet?..he didnt get a penny..
By:
harry31
When: 12 Jan 11 16:59
If the fav wins you get your money back on your win part of your bet IF your selection finishes 2nd to the fav(and obv you'd get your place money as well) - otherwise they'd be returning all losing stakes in the race AND paying out on a winning fav - not likely  from any bookie let alone Sadcrooks.

And if as for the plank in the shop saying it's only for win bets, tell your mate to tell him there's a job going in Tully's Head Office with his name on it.

Has everyone gone mad?
By:
Rowley Mile
When: 12 Jan 11 18:00
I've had the same with laddies, doesn;t cover the win part on each way bets, literally they'll only apply the concession to win only bets. Haven't bothered checking the rules but that's what they state.
By:
soapp
When: 12 Jan 11 18:58
Harry, YOU have to get paid something. OBJECT to their next renewal of licence if necessary.
By:
slickster
When: 12 Jan 11 20:16
head offices are full of tools who don't even know the basics. disgraceful.
By:
lustrumm
When: 12 Jan 11 20:39
Basically guys this is trying to copy Paddies but trying to pull a stroke Boils style.
Bad an all as Paddies are at least they will refund bets on all horses that finish second (singles only) no matter what type of bet (ew or win)
By:
lustrumm
When: 12 Jan 11 20:39
True words from Slickster as well forgot to add that
By:
monksfield2
When: 12 Jan 11 21:41
My Celtic cheque arrived back in this morning's post - eight days after I deposited it.  So I brought it to a Celtic shop.  Sign on the door said `Business as usual - Celtic Bookmakers (in receivership)' or something like that.  Sign on the wall inside said `Large winnings will be paid by cheque'.  I almost laughed out loud when I saw that one.

The two ladies behind the counter looked at each other sheepishly when I asked them to cash my cheque.  One said `We're working for the receiver now' then picked up the phone, probably to the receiver, and took down the following on the back of a betting slip and handed it to me - send `name, addres [sic] and cheque to Joe Walsh, Hughes/Blake, Joyce House, 22/33 Hollow [sic] street, Dublin 2.'  I asked if Mr Walsh would send me out another cheque which would also bounce, but she mentioned `bank draft'.

I think I'd prefer to visit Mr Walsh in person next time I'm in Holles Street.  My e-mail to Hughes/Blake has not been answered.
By:
squigs
When: 12 Jan 11 21:47
Object to the renewal of their license, I think it would be somewhat laughable.

Its a money back special set to their rules and their rules only. If it says refunds apply to win singles only then its only win singles only.
By:
Catford Toteboard
When: 12 Jan 11 22:35
Harry31, as far as I know you're the first person on here to mention the very sadly departed Chris, he will be greatly missed. RIP.
Sounds like Ireland really needs an IBAS equivalent and the now is surely the time to press for one, with a new set of gambling laws being drawn up. Have a word with your local likely TD in the forthcoming election campaign and you may even get one on the statute book, which is more than we have in the UK.
By:
Diamond_Joe_Quimby
When: 12 Jan 11 22:39
Monksfield, you know it will cost you to cash the draft? Laugh
By:
da fallon factor
When: 12 Jan 11 22:46
Bruces have sold sum of their shops in the midlands this week according to their staff
By:
monksfield2
When: 12 Jan 11 23:05
The Celtic shop I was in today also had a sign saying that disputes would be referred to IBAS - does IBAS deal with bounced cheques?
By:
penhead
When: 13 Jan 11 16:53
monksfield same as u no cash in shops now crooks
By:
lustrumm
When: 13 Jan 11 19:58
Jeez Monksfield I though that was a bit weak from you. I would not have left the shop without my 100. This is cash that is going to you and it is due to you for some time. This is not a disputed bet or a bill for betting slips. This is cash and is as good as a winninf docket.
Take no nonsense off the birds in the shop and get in again tomorrow and roar the house down.

You are wasting your time posting it to an accountany firm FFS.

Why don't you go in and have €100 on a non runner and pay with the cheque. Get the bird to ring Ivan and I am sure he will tell them put it through.

To be fair to him he is honorable and he would not not want to see a punter/customer diddled like that.
By:
moneypenny
When: 13 Jan 11 20:23
How the hell can they have a sign on the door saying business as usual as they have on their shop in Waterford and not be able to honour a 100euro cheque. If its business as usual you should be able to withdraw your ton with your a/c card in the shop as was the case in the past
By:
penhead
When: 13 Jan 11 20:33
chicken feed if u knew what they are screwing me crooks
By:
lustrumm
When: 13 Jan 11 22:14
Anyone with any antepost will have som sweat if what Penhead is saying is right and based on Monksfield's experience (my own view on that is that it was just incompetence of the birds which I referred to earlier in the thread)
By:
monksfield2
When: 14 Jan 11 15:31
Judging by the article in yesterday's Racing Post, if Forpadytheplasterer wins tomorrow, it will be the end of any sort of business for this firm.

I just got an e-mail from another firm announcing a change in terms and conditions, to include: "We hold all active customer balances in a separate trust account which would not, in the event of insolvency, form part of our assets."

I hope the new and long-promised Online Betting Bill will require all firms licensed under the new legislation to have and abide by a similar condition - including Celtic under whoever might buy it.
By:
Cupwinkcook
When: 14 Jan 11 23:46
Looks like it was a smart move by me to cash the cheque shortly after it arrived before Christmas.

It was for 400eu and frankly finances are so bad, I couldn't afford this kind of hassle especially if the wife opened the letter with the bounced cheque info.

Could be trouble for anyone who's arbed a juicy ante-post.
By:
kavvie
When: 15 Jan 11 02:18
yere not too bad lads..im owed 6k by a bookie and i cant see any way of getting it back?..
By:
Kerrygold
When: 15 Jan 11 04:33
rough out there at the moment - as i said if you are betting acca's multis etc stay with the big boys for that - boyles powers 365 coral hills laddies

even of highstreet firms above they are hurting but they have some sort of reserves
if you hit at least you will get the money
By:
Cupwinkcook
When: 15 Jan 11 12:24
celtic have 15K limit notices now so Kerrygold has a point

Kavvie, good luck with the bad debt recovery. sounds nasty.
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