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18 Aug 10
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Anybody else think Cork are a serious price at 4/5?
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A fit O'Sullivan is the best half back in Dublin bar none. I would have Cahill in ahead of Nolan.
how can anyone think dublin are value at 13/8.its a shocking price.cork should be 2/5.you cant win an all ireland with 1 forward.they were extremely lucky to beat tyrone,got a very lucky goal at right time,tyrone kicked it away.cork -1 point bet of the year so far
No probs Redroar, best of luck with your bets anyway. Funny thing, but I can't get it out of my head all week that the game will finish in a draw.
As a Dubs fan, i'm sorry to say that i think Cork will win comfortably enough.
I hope i'm wrong but i think we had our big win the last day v Tyrone and don't see us repeating the performance and being able to pull off a another big win.
That said, Cork can have their off days and Dublin will fight for everything till the bitter chance so they will always give themselves a chance.
I hope i'm wrong but i think we had our big win the last day v Tyrone and don't see us repeating the performance and being able to pull off a another big win.
That said, Cork can have their off days and Dublin will fight for everything till the bitter chance so they will always give themselves a chance.
think cork will win this with a bit to spare, dublin have to many limited players to win an all ireland, players like fitzimons maconnell and ger brennan just dont win all irelands, im a dub fan by the way.
Dublin will win this,their very much the form side and this year is their year,they will thrive with the home support,should make incredible athmosphere, it will be great for the sport if they do!
If this match was played at a neutral venue with equal support i would make the Dubs about 5/2. I think home advantage infront of a big support in a semi final compensates for them being 2/1. At the odds i make the Dubs a very small value bet in a match where i see no huge value betting wise.
neutral venue irrelevant in my view
Cork would play Kerry in Killarney over Croker any day
Similarly Cork are a better team in Croker when the opposition is not Kerry.
Dubs never play anywhere else so are hard to assess.
Cork would play Kerry in Killarney over Croker any day
Similarly Cork are a better team in Croker when the opposition is not Kerry.
Dubs never play anywhere else so are hard to assess.
Dont think you venue is irrelevant. Not so much the fact that the Dubs play at Croke Park but the fact they have so much of the crowd. Its not h=going to win them any match on its own but its definately an advantage. I dont buy into the other line of thought that it puts extra pressure on them. Its a definate advantage especially when they go into a game as an underdog.
Small bets on Dublin first point from play and from placed ball, theyve won the throw ball all but once all Championship, should get first shot - muggish bet though small stakes.
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He won't even hear it. Err yeah Darragh. I think he would hear 50/60 thousand boos.
Looking like dublins day, cork are trying to play short through the middle,this is criminal. Any injury to canty and cork will be rudderless,doubt hel last the 70.
anybody know where to pick this up via live web streaming for free?
Early days yet, but Cork have been very wasteful.
Awful commentary again
Hope Cork win, as Down will run them silly
Awful commentary again
Hope Cork win, as Down will run them silly
O'Gara is so **** kicking points! Thank god he got 3 goals this yr or he'd be finnish.
nicholas at long last, best mf in country imo , cannot believe he never starts
O'Connor had to be taken off for Cork, should never have even lasted that long.
I agree Down i think they are very poor, i really fancy yourselfs now
I know Doyler, more worried about Kildare than either of these.
o neill has pulled cork back in to the game on his own
i said earlier in the year that dublins discipline will cost them somewhere , it looks like it happening here
im devastated, heartbroken, what happened the Boys In Blue
Am happy with that, if we get by Kildare we'll destroy that Cork team.
brillant defensive performance by dublin..... until the last 4mins.
I have to say i thought i was a very dispointing game, i hope Down or Kildare win it as there better to watch than that.
DAS ...would have much preferred Dubs for Down. Cork will improve.
Maybe Grade 1 but i have to say i thought they would show a lot more than they showed today.
Cork were very poor IMO, Dublin lost it in the last 10 more so than Cork winning it - fair enough they still needed and got the scores but Dublin were a different team attacking and defending. IMO, if Kildare can win the semi we'll beat Cork 
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Bernard Brogan was poor last 10 minutes after being brilliant. How he didnt play in O'Gara when he had 2 steps on the last man I'll never know, and a wild left foot shoot in the last 5 gone wife, and with 20 seconds left he kicks a point???
Brogan was right to kick the point...there should have been more than 3 minutes...it is "at least" 3 minutes at refs discretion. Brogan is a shoo in for footballer of the year now.
Cork missed a share of easy frees and the team that finished was better than one that started. They were probably vulnerable after lack of competitive games ...Limerick/Roscommon only games since June ?
Cork missed a share of easy frees and the team that finished was better than one that started. They were probably vulnerable after lack of competitive games ...Limerick/Roscommon only games since June ?
I bet them in-running at evens but there were a 4/6 price before the game.
I dont see how anyone could possibly criticise Bernard Brogan today. Dublin based their whole strategy around him and he was brilliant. If you look at the chance he had of playing in O Gara it was not very clear cut. A better full forward would been well clear for the pass. I think Dublin should have taken on Keaney with 20 minutes to go as their two man forward line was tiring badly at that stage.
Overall, i thought Dublin used the best tactics they could to make most use of the brilliant Brogan and cover up the mediocrity of their other players. The problem with their strategy is that its ultra defensive and when they go three plus points behind they are totally goosed.
Overall, i thought Dublin used the best tactics they could to make most use of the brilliant Brogan and cover up the mediocrity of their other players. The problem with their strategy is that its ultra defensive and when they go three plus points behind they are totally goosed.
what i really love is when gaa players go for a point with only 20secs left when 2 or more pts behind like brogan today and so many others before him,i esp love this when am on the other team.
Unlucky on the draw Ballhopper you were almost in clover
was at croker today
goulding miss from a free early in the second half plus the turnover in the play after the penalty would have been the crucial plays if Cork had lost
Dubs misses before halftime when they had Cork by the throat cost them dear. O'Gara the culprit.
Dubs let Cork run at them in the second half. Conceded the half forward line completely and Cork must have had 65%+ possession in the second half.
Don't know what to make of the ref. Was inconsistent all round and obviously the Dubs will feel they got the wrong end of it. There must have been 4 line balls that were called wrong from our viewpoint. One was crucial in Cork's favour near the end.
Got a good view of the penalty. Thought it was stonewall but a Dub reckoned he played for it. Awaiting the Sunday Game.
Vital play of the match was the close in free that was fed into Pa Kelly. Could have been a goal. Could have been blocked. Ended up with the same result as what the free would have yielded.
Dubs threw it away with indiscipline rather than Cork taking the game by the scruff of the neck.
Negatives : Alan O'Connor Pierce O'Neill(again) Ray Carey(early on) Canty(not fit)
Positives : Shields Colm O'Neill and Nick Murphy when they came on. Kerrigan(2nd half) Pa Kelly was the only one quick enough to avoid and break the challenges.
Hard to assess Noel O'Leary. Won good ball and ran into dead ends. Looks like a fella who if he was 10% fitter he could be dangerous from halfback.
agree with the points about both teams being bottlers & the fact that Keaney should have been on earlier.
goulding miss from a free early in the second half plus the turnover in the play after the penalty would have been the crucial plays if Cork had lost
Dubs misses before halftime when they had Cork by the throat cost them dear. O'Gara the culprit.
Dubs let Cork run at them in the second half. Conceded the half forward line completely and Cork must have had 65%+ possession in the second half.
Don't know what to make of the ref. Was inconsistent all round and obviously the Dubs will feel they got the wrong end of it. There must have been 4 line balls that were called wrong from our viewpoint. One was crucial in Cork's favour near the end.
Got a good view of the penalty. Thought it was stonewall but a Dub reckoned he played for it. Awaiting the Sunday Game.
Vital play of the match was the close in free that was fed into Pa Kelly. Could have been a goal. Could have been blocked. Ended up with the same result as what the free would have yielded.
Dubs threw it away with indiscipline rather than Cork taking the game by the scruff of the neck.
Negatives : Alan O'Connor Pierce O'Neill(again) Ray Carey(early on) Canty(not fit)
Positives : Shields Colm O'Neill and Nick Murphy when they came on. Kerrigan(2nd half) Pa Kelly was the only one quick enough to avoid and break the challenges.
Hard to assess Noel O'Leary. Won good ball and ran into dead ends. Looks like a fella who if he was 10% fitter he could be dangerous from halfback.
agree with the points about both teams being bottlers & the fact that Keaney should have been on earlier.
Where do Cork ( lucky today that Dublin indiscipline blew Dublin out of the water ) rank with good teams from the past ? That a team without a really good forward can be favourites at 1.6 for the All-Ireland is a bit strange , or is it a sign of the times ?
Put Brogan on the Cork team and they would have won possibly by 10 points , Brogan is a really good forward . But Cork dont have Brogan , and you would be hard put to name which one of the Cork forwards will do the best ( or the worst ) in the final .
Cork struggle against good forwards , Down have at least 2 , so I reckon Cork would sooner have Kildare as opponents in the final .
But when I think of teams with good forwards , even from recent past , but more specifically from earlier eras , cant begin to rate this Cork team as hot pots against anyone ( compared with vintage / semi vintage Kerry outfits for instance ) .
Other 2 counties not losing that much sleep tonight . They know they have a chance .
Put Brogan on the Cork team and they would have won possibly by 10 points , Brogan is a really good forward . But Cork dont have Brogan , and you would be hard put to name which one of the Cork forwards will do the best ( or the worst ) in the final .
Cork struggle against good forwards , Down have at least 2 , so I reckon Cork would sooner have Kildare as opponents in the final .
But when I think of teams with good forwards , even from recent past , but more specifically from earlier eras , cant begin to rate this Cork team as hot pots against anyone ( compared with vintage / semi vintage Kerry outfits for instance ) .
Other 2 counties not losing that much sleep tonight . They know they have a chance .
Kerrigan and Kelly are the best on current form.
Kelly is a workhorse. Kerrigan has few equals when running at defences and playing clever ball.
Colm O'Neill offers a threat.
Goulding and Pierce O 'Neill are very capable if on form, neither are.
They are nowhere near a Kerry forward line containing Gooch Donaghyy and Declan OSullivan who are all top class. The Walsh lad who went to Australia was close to top notch also. Darran O'Sullivan is fast but hasn't the football brain, Sheehan is a bag of cement who can kick place balls better than most.
Yeah, whoever wins between Down and Kildare will have nothing to fear especially as Cork have flopped in the final twice in the last few years.
I'm wondering if Cork could produce a barnstormer like they did against Meath in the semi a few years back or for 80% of the quarter against Kildare the year after. If they don't , it's a dogfight.
Kelly is a workhorse. Kerrigan has few equals when running at defences and playing clever ball.
Colm O'Neill offers a threat.
Goulding and Pierce O 'Neill are very capable if on form, neither are.
They are nowhere near a Kerry forward line containing Gooch Donaghyy and Declan OSullivan who are all top class. The Walsh lad who went to Australia was close to top notch also. Darran O'Sullivan is fast but hasn't the football brain, Sheehan is a bag of cement who can kick place balls better than most.
Yeah, whoever wins between Down and Kildare will have nothing to fear especially as Cork have flopped in the final twice in the last few years.
I'm wondering if Cork could produce a barnstormer like they did against Meath in the semi a few years back or for 80% of the quarter against Kildare the year after. If they don't , it's a dogfight.
For the record, Paul Galvin is effectively a midfield sweeper upper rather than a forward per se. He can get scores but that's not his role in the matches against say Cork or Tyrone.
Great win today and any questions about the character of this Cork team have been put to bed. Fair play to the Cork players and management for sticking to the game plan all the way and never resorting to hopeful (hopeless) long balls even when their backs were to the wall. Long-range freetaking poor as usual today, backs a bit too loose and need to be more clinical in front of goal, but that leaves plenty to work on for the final.
Dublin a good work in progress and if they can get a couple of forwards to help Brogan they'll contend for an All-Ireland yet.
Dublin a good work in progress and if they can get a couple of forwards to help Brogan they'll contend for an All-Ireland yet.
Sheehan is a bag of cement who can kick place balls better than most.
Disappointing not to have closed it out.
Events in Rostrevor last night put things into perspective.
Sympathies to the lads family and friends.
Events in Rostrevor last night put things into perspective.
Sympathies to the lads family and friends.
Cheers Redroar, it was tight enough, though as a Dub it wasn't a draw I wanted but would obviously have taken it in the end, and not just for financial reasons!
A great game, Cork didn't panic, and they certainly deserve an All Ireland though there is still much work to be done.
On another point, everyone is talking about how close Tipp pushed Kilkenny last year. True enough, but Kilkenny didn't win by big margins in any game in '09. Different gravy this year, though on the other hand the lack of a real test this season could work against them as Tipp will certainly make things hot.
A great game, Cork didn't panic, and they certainly deserve an All Ireland though there is still much work to be done.
On another point, everyone is talking about how close Tipp pushed Kilkenny last year. True enough, but Kilkenny didn't win by big margins in any game in '09. Different gravy this year, though on the other hand the lack of a real test this season could work against them as Tipp will certainly make things hot.
Corks experience of an All Ireland final be a big plus imo. Corks biggest problem is kicking themsleves out of the game with wide after wide. Just get the feeling looking at them that they are coming good at the right time and are ready to hit top gear come All Ireland final day.
Kelly you asked how do Cork rank against the good teams from the past. Well, on a rating over the past 10 years they would be a clear third. I would say the really great teams have something which Cork dont have and that is at least one marquee forward in a team of other good players.
Dublin have a marquee player in a team of mediocre players while Cork have a side of very good players but are missing that stand out forward. Cork would need to have a Bernard Brogan in their side for them to have a fighting chance of beating Kerry or Tyrone when either of those sides turned up with their A game.
Dublin have a marquee player in a team of mediocre players while Cork have a side of very good players but are missing that stand out forward. Cork would need to have a Bernard Brogan in their side for them to have a fighting chance of beating Kerry or Tyrone when either of those sides turned up with their A game.
paddletoe , where Cork rate over last 10 years ( say ) depends on this seasons finish , and possibly next year . Dont think their current panel have much more left in their legs as it always looks hard work to me when they are playing , a lot of effort ( individual quite often ) to get into scorable positions .
The really good players , as with most athletes , make it look simple and often effortless .
Re Dublin , thought they deserved to beat Cork . Ref Tyrone , if 14 "mediocre " Dublin players , plus one "marquee" player beat Tyrone by 5 points , whither Tyrone ? And at least 3 or 4 of the Tyrone players have earned above average ratings over the years in my book , and most of them were on the field vs Dublin . Obviously I rate Dublin higher than you do , and I thought their performance on Sunday was excellent . If I were a Dub I would be looking forward to the next few seasons , with a lot better prospects than 3 months ago .
Dont agree that Dublin have any mediocre players , any team who deservedly gets to an All-Ireland semi final has earned more respect than mediocre . And time may tell that they could have gone all the way with a few less indiscriminate attempts to tackle incorrectly .
The demise of the more fancied favourites this year has engendered a lot of interest , sometimes it takes a season like this to rekindle interest and possibility among some of the less fancied contenders . Up to 8 counties could now entertain the possibility of ultimate success , for last number of years that number was effectively only 3 .
Cheers .
The really good players , as with most athletes , make it look simple and often effortless .
Re Dublin , thought they deserved to beat Cork . Ref Tyrone , if 14 "mediocre " Dublin players , plus one "marquee" player beat Tyrone by 5 points , whither Tyrone ? And at least 3 or 4 of the Tyrone players have earned above average ratings over the years in my book , and most of them were on the field vs Dublin . Obviously I rate Dublin higher than you do , and I thought their performance on Sunday was excellent . If I were a Dub I would be looking forward to the next few seasons , with a lot better prospects than 3 months ago .
Dont agree that Dublin have any mediocre players , any team who deservedly gets to an All-Ireland semi final has earned more respect than mediocre . And time may tell that they could have gone all the way with a few less indiscriminate attempts to tackle incorrectly .
The demise of the more fancied favourites this year has engendered a lot of interest , sometimes it takes a season like this to rekindle interest and possibility among some of the less fancied contenders . Up to 8 counties could now entertain the possibility of ultimate success , for last number of years that number was effectively only 3 .
Cheers .
I thought the ref played a stormer for the GAA. Nearly got the draw
Just a tad to unfair on the Tubby Dubs in the end. Cork will hit top gear in Mid september so The Lillies - Down wont stand a chance
Just a tad to unfair on the Tubby Dubs in the end. Cork will hit top gear in Mid september so The Lillies - Down wont stand a chance
Going long saved cork,cork had no one to kick long to before o neil came on,will have to start final shirley!
Kelly, you asked a question about how Cork rated against the best teams of the past. When i said Dublin have one star player and mediocrity elsewhere i was rating their present side in the context of the best teams from the past in answer to your question.
As for Dublin beating Tyrone by 5 points. Not withstanding the fact that it was a flattering scoreline anyone of the main gaa counties are capable of beating another in any one off match. Really, its very poor form of you to the Dubs 5 point win over Tyrone as any worthwhile yardstick when talking about the best teams of the recent past.
Generally, i think a lot of people get carried away with both over rating and under rating performances on the basis of one game. The reality is nearly always somewhere in between.
As for Dublin beating Tyrone by 5 points. Not withstanding the fact that it was a flattering scoreline anyone of the main gaa counties are capable of beating another in any one off match. Really, its very poor form of you to the Dubs 5 point win over Tyrone as any worthwhile yardstick when talking about the best teams of the recent past.
Generally, i think a lot of people get carried away with both over rating and under rating performances on the basis of one game. The reality is nearly always somewhere in between.
Also kelly, i never once said that i did not rate Dublin but again in terms of how good they are depends in what context your talking about. Over the past ten years they were never quite good enough to win an all ireland but they were against two great sides in that time. I would say that Dublins cumulative efforts over the past ten years probably deserved a final appearance.
I thought Dublin played very well in their last two games. I maintain they were fortunate to beat Tyrone on the balance of play but stayed close enough to deserve what luck they got. I thought the Cork v Dublin game was closer on the balance of play. Either side could have won.
I would say the tactics Dublin used in their last two games were right being the underdogs and outmatched in terms of ability. But its a very defensive style of play reliant on Brogan producing star performances and i would say with hindsight if they went 3 or 4 points behind adopting that same style it would be very hard for them to come back.
I thought Dublin played very well in their last two games. I maintain they were fortunate to beat Tyrone on the balance of play but stayed close enough to deserve what luck they got. I thought the Cork v Dublin game was closer on the balance of play. Either side could have won.
I would say the tactics Dublin used in their last two games were right being the underdogs and outmatched in terms of ability. But its a very defensive style of play reliant on Brogan producing star performances and i would say with hindsight if they went 3 or 4 points behind adopting that same style it would be very hard for them to come back.
Paddletoe , useless me posting anything re our views . 14 mediocre players plus one marquee equals a low rating as a team in the language I am familiar with . Dublins rating over 10 years I have never mentioned .
For the record , Dublin over last 10 years have been very middling , this year has seen a big improvement ( they must have , they beat Tyrone fair and square !).
Over last 10 years , 3 teams have been good , very good sometimes . Armagh have also entered consideration . The teams from the west have genarally underperformed on the big stage .
There has been a change though in last year or two , with Kerry being lucky to win last year , but old father Time has caught up with them , just like it did with the 80's team .
Overall the recent change in statuses will probably be good for the game overall , but I maintain there are fewer really good players about now ( outside the Gooch and Brogan ) , which is worrying . Possible , like soccer , the over coaching of young players takes out originality . Thats my view .
Cheers .
For the record , Dublin over last 10 years have been very middling , this year has seen a big improvement ( they must have , they beat Tyrone fair and square !).
Over last 10 years , 3 teams have been good , very good sometimes . Armagh have also entered consideration . The teams from the west have genarally underperformed on the big stage .
There has been a change though in last year or two , with Kerry being lucky to win last year , but old father Time has caught up with them , just like it did with the 80's team .
Overall the recent change in statuses will probably be good for the game overall , but I maintain there are fewer really good players about now ( outside the Gooch and Brogan ) , which is worrying . Possible , like soccer , the over coaching of young players takes out originality . Thats my view .
Cheers .
while gooch and brogan are very good i feel that a few more forwards are very close to them given right service..niall mcnamee,michael meehan,michael murphy or benny coulter wouldnt be out of place in any team?..a forward cant show how good he is if he gets poor service.
Kavvie , in my book Gooch is one of the best we have ever seen , back to the Galway twins onwards . Brogan is also brilliant , having played mostly with not such a good team . The others you mention are very good , but the mark of a super player is to perform spectacularly at the highest level where pressure is heavily involved .
Your "others" have not , and may never have that opportunity , as the Aussie games dont lend themselves to show casing talented play , its the survival of the fittest . No dobt they would come up to the mark given the opportunity , but they are probably going to remain behind the curtain .
Sadly the Railway Cup has disappeared , for a variety of reasons . Many of the excellent players of the past got recognition because they played well for their province . Treacy and McGinnity from Fermanagh for instance , essentially nobody would have seen them nationally on a pitch but for that competition .
Cheers .
Your "others" have not , and may never have that opportunity , as the Aussie games dont lend themselves to show casing talented play , its the survival of the fittest . No dobt they would come up to the mark given the opportunity , but they are probably going to remain behind the curtain .
Sadly the Railway Cup has disappeared , for a variety of reasons . Many of the excellent players of the past got recognition because they played well for their province . Treacy and McGinnity from Fermanagh for instance , essentially nobody would have seen them nationally on a pitch but for that competition .
Cheers .
its a big weakness that a guy like mcnamee will never get to show his skills on the big stage..as you say railway cup was prob designed for the like of him but sadly its turned into a joke by the gaa with a zero intrest/no publicity policy
Yes Gant:
Davy was a superb player and in one match was the only Lilly to take on all the Dubs: Half the Dublin team made a point of shaking his hand afterwards: Had 20 on at 50's before Louth: Now a £10 at 10/1 to reach semi and 10 @ 50 to win: Down are going to be very tough they will be playing for the angels as well (RIP), They were within 3 points of tyrone and something that is always hard to do they beat Kerry: This is the best Kildare team i've ever seen and their style as well impresses but it is too hard to call: Glad it's Cork in the Final though and not a rampant Dublin team who are a big bogey team for the Lillies: Down think that once they get to Croker they will win and they usually do. So it's all to play for: Hope we get a decent ref as well, not some of those Bogeys like Bannion or the bloke from Tipp :-( McEnenenay the best still me thinkst:
Davy was a superb player and in one match was the only Lilly to take on all the Dubs: Half the Dublin team made a point of shaking his hand afterwards: Had 20 on at 50's before Louth: Now a £10 at 10/1 to reach semi and 10 @ 50 to win: Down are going to be very tough they will be playing for the angels as well (RIP), They were within 3 points of tyrone and something that is always hard to do they beat Kerry: This is the best Kildare team i've ever seen and their style as well impresses but it is too hard to call: Glad it's Cork in the Final though and not a rampant Dublin team who are a big bogey team for the Lillies: Down think that once they get to Croker they will win and they usually do. So it's all to play for: Hope we get a decent ref as well, not some of those Bogeys like Bannion or the bloke from Tipp :-( McEnenenay the best still me thinkst:
Kelly it would you and i could not agree on what day of the week it was. You said one marque player and 14 mediocre ones equals a low rating in any language your familiar with. You as always seem to look at things in very black and white when the reality is seldom so clearly defined. You dont seem to bring a proper context into a lot of your arguments. Maradona won a world cup in a team of which few people off the top of their head could even remember a handful of his team mates. I cant even remember one.
You maintain luck does not come into sport. If that was the case you could bet the ranch on every favourite. Luck in sport takes many guises but it is a factor in many sporting events. The best team or individual does not always win.
I have no problem saying Tyrone were fortunate to cumulatively win all three of their all ireland finals when all three were close games and one or two keys scores at pivitol times could have changed the course of those results in another direction. Yet you maintain Dublin beat tyrone going away in a match where fortunate incidents played no role in the outcome.
You maintain luck does not come into sport. If that was the case you could bet the ranch on every favourite. Luck in sport takes many guises but it is a factor in many sporting events. The best team or individual does not always win.
I have no problem saying Tyrone were fortunate to cumulatively win all three of their all ireland finals when all three were close games and one or two keys scores at pivitol times could have changed the course of those results in another direction. Yet you maintain Dublin beat tyrone going away in a match where fortunate incidents played no role in the outcome.
Looking to the future i think sports like gaelic football, soccer and rugby share a common problem. The players in all these sports are becoming bigger, faster and stronger as athletes. Tactics and counter tactics are also getting better. I think modern players are a lot more skillfil than those from the past but that does not translate to better games because there is a lot less time on the ball and in many games the play is condensed into smaller and smaller areas of the pitch.
Cork haven't played well all year yet they are in an all-ireland final.
Cork have played decent football for the last 6 years and see where it has got them? 6 semi finals in a row and 2 final appearances without a win. lets not forget to mention that the only team to beat them in 6 years has been Kerry.
This year I believe Cork want the win the all ireland. they dont care how they do it, the result is what matters. you will not see this cork side scoring 2/3/4 goals i guarantee you this. they will grind out results and that is all they want.
going back to sunday, all this talk about dublin throwing it away by giving away free's is a bit of an illusion. i will explain why.
Dublin were out on their feet with 15 minutes to go. when you play such a high intensity game like they do then make sure they can do it for 70/75 minutes. not 55/60 minutes. this was the main downfall last sunday. if you are not fully fit to play to your gameplan for the whole of the game, you should not and do not expect to win.
all the late frees were because of tiredness as mentioned above. people complaining as to why all the fouling and that is the answer. the 2nd point about the frees are to do with the illusion that people could not see what was happening at the time. if those fouls were not committed at that time in that place Cork had forwards that would have burnt those backs and that game would have been over in the space of 2 minutes instead of 5+. next time you are watching the game, think of that and see the positions of the cork forwards in comparison to the dublin backs.
it could also be argued that Ross should have got a booking for the penalty and there would have been an ever increasing scoreboard if the ref had done his job correctly there.
it may sound like madness but the better team actually won on sunday. they stuck to their gameplan for the full 70+ minutes. they did not panic at any stage and they came back at dublin like a good team does. this is what makes a good team great. not flattering to look like the best team and then watching it all go away from you and there is nothing they could have done about it.
Cork have played decent football for the last 6 years and see where it has got them? 6 semi finals in a row and 2 final appearances without a win. lets not forget to mention that the only team to beat them in 6 years has been Kerry.
This year I believe Cork want the win the all ireland. they dont care how they do it, the result is what matters. you will not see this cork side scoring 2/3/4 goals i guarantee you this. they will grind out results and that is all they want.
going back to sunday, all this talk about dublin throwing it away by giving away free's is a bit of an illusion. i will explain why.
Dublin were out on their feet with 15 minutes to go. when you play such a high intensity game like they do then make sure they can do it for 70/75 minutes. not 55/60 minutes. this was the main downfall last sunday. if you are not fully fit to play to your gameplan for the whole of the game, you should not and do not expect to win.
all the late frees were because of tiredness as mentioned above. people complaining as to why all the fouling and that is the answer. the 2nd point about the frees are to do with the illusion that people could not see what was happening at the time. if those fouls were not committed at that time in that place Cork had forwards that would have burnt those backs and that game would have been over in the space of 2 minutes instead of 5+. next time you are watching the game, think of that and see the positions of the cork forwards in comparison to the dublin backs.
it could also be argued that Ross should have got a booking for the penalty and there would have been an ever increasing scoreboard if the ref had done his job correctly there.
it may sound like madness but the better team actually won on sunday. they stuck to their gameplan for the full 70+ minutes. they did not panic at any stage and they came back at dublin like a good team does. this is what makes a good team great. not flattering to look like the best team and then watching it all go away from you and there is nothing they could have done about it.
I dont think Cork supporters could have had too many complaints if Dublin won as it was a very close and well contested game but i would have to agree that Cork looked the marginally better team and in my opinion just about deserved to win on the balance of play. And i agree with the last poster that the late Cork frees were the result of Dublin tiring badly, but they put a lot of effort into the match and i would not be critical of the way they ran out of energy, especially in the forwards.
Overall Cork have better players than Dublin and mostly thats what wins matches, but it was a close and very good game to watch with a great atmosphere and i think both teams deserve credit. I think its very nit picking to look beyond those facts.
Overall Cork have better players than Dublin and mostly thats what wins matches, but it was a close and very good game to watch with a great atmosphere and i think both teams deserve credit. I think its very nit picking to look beyond those facts.
Kelly, you asked where do Cork rank over the past 10 years. You added a lot depends on what they do this year or next. Once again i disagree because no one would seriously rate them better then either Kerry or Tyrone. In my opinion Corks ranking over the past 10 years is easily set as third no matter what happens this year or next. I would have the present Cork team as favourites to beat Armagh or Dublin at their best and those are the only two other teams that would come into any ranking over the past 10 years.
You dont need to be a great team to win one all ireland but for the same team to win multiple all irelands you need at least one great forward. I cant think of any team in memory to win multiple all irelands without a great forward. And you can tell a player capable of becoming great before they win an all ireland and thats something Cork dont have.
You dont need to be a great team to win one all ireland but for the same team to win multiple all irelands you need at least one great forward. I cant think of any team in memory to win multiple all irelands without a great forward. And you can tell a player capable of becoming great before they win an all ireland and thats something Cork dont have.
Paddletoe ,figure it out re Corks ranking over a 10 year window . If Cork win this years and next years All-Ireland , I for one will have them higher ranked than Tyrone . But no doubt that possibility would not even begin to sink in to someone from Tyrone ( I presume ) .
My views have nothing to do with me being from Tyrone. I have never backed against Tyrone but there have been plenty of matches over the past 10 years where i thought Tyrone were over rated against their opponents in terms of betting.
I disagree with you saying Cork would be ranked above Tyrone if they won this years and next years all irelands. There are lots of factors in judging teams in order over a given period. Even going by number of titles Cork would be behind Tyrone but more than that if you took a different measure and judged cork and tyrone at their peak and were pricing up odds i think you would be alone in making Cork favourites.
I dont think if your ranking teams over a given period its as straight forward as counting titles. Munster teams have a big advantage when it comes to winning titles. No coincidence that the two big Munster teams are more consistent.While i think you should add value for consistency you also need to hypothetically match teams against each other based on their top form.
I disagree with you saying Cork would be ranked above Tyrone if they won this years and next years all irelands. There are lots of factors in judging teams in order over a given period. Even going by number of titles Cork would be behind Tyrone but more than that if you took a different measure and judged cork and tyrone at their peak and were pricing up odds i think you would be alone in making Cork favourites.
I dont think if your ranking teams over a given period its as straight forward as counting titles. Munster teams have a big advantage when it comes to winning titles. No coincidence that the two big Munster teams are more consistent.While i think you should add value for consistency you also need to hypothetically match teams against each other based on their top form.
In many years the second favourite team to win Munster will still be shorter odds than the favourite to win Ulster. I know the backdoor gives teams another chance and you will probably say if a side is good enough they should get over the loss of one game in their province. But cumulatively, its harder to win all irelands the more knock out games you need to win.
The odds on all irelands always takes account of the provinces teams are from.. But these odds are not a measure of who most people think is the best team.
The odds on all irelands always takes account of the provinces teams are from.. But these odds are not a measure of who most people think is the best team.
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