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It is that their horses can talk . At least thats my observation . The 3/4 Derby hopes ( the English one , which apparently is their biggest target all year despite the track vagaries involved ) who are playing tag at the moment indicate to me --and not for the first time -- that they DONT KNOW which is the best , or which one will carry the flag next Saturday .
Sorry for anyone involved antepost , although I suspect there was plenty of opportunity to lay off , but it is part of the learning process .
Not like the old days , when the MAN knew ( and tried to keep Lester uninformed ).
Sorry for anyone involved antepost , although I suspect there was plenty of opportunity to lay off , but it is part of the learning process .
Not like the old days , when the MAN knew ( and tried to keep Lester uninformed ).
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Was thinking the exact same thing after Jan Vermeer won on Sunday.
Why was he 6/4 and 20s for the Derby.
4 days later he`s favourite!!!??? Clueless.
Why was he 6/4 and 20s for the Derby.
4 days later he`s favourite!!!??? Clueless.
On racecourse evidence ( which is the best --maybe the ONLY -- arbiter in my opinion ref Ballydoyle ) Cape Blanco looked very impressive , but apparently is more likely to travel to France .
The other comment I would make is the the use of the words --"unbelievable " , "the best we have seen " , "unreal " , etc , all of which we have heard in recent seasons for a yard ( yards ) which has housed Ballymoss , Sir Ivor , Nijinsky , Appalachee , Alleged , The Minstrel , etc and more recently Hawk Wing , High Chaparral , Galileo , Giants Causeway ,etc . All of these were brilliant middle distance horses in modern times ( although some were unlikely looking to stay more than a mile ) . There is nothing new under the sun , except the apparent need to hype each years crop as better than before .
The other comment I would make is the the use of the words --"unbelievable " , "the best we have seen " , "unreal " , etc , all of which we have heard in recent seasons for a yard ( yards ) which has housed Ballymoss , Sir Ivor , Nijinsky , Appalachee , Alleged , The Minstrel , etc and more recently Hawk Wing , High Chaparral , Galileo , Giants Causeway ,etc . All of these were brilliant middle distance horses in modern times ( although some were unlikely looking to stay more than a mile ) . There is nothing new under the sun , except the apparent need to hype each years crop as better than before .
That there was one Master of Ballydoyle and he has passed away.
used to have a lot of respect for a.o.b. but not anymore, he reminds me of the cold callers i get on the phone from time to time selling something reading from a well rehearsed script, hes the same only selling coolmore bloodstock.
Irish 1,000 Guineas - (4) - Classic Park (1997), Imagine (2001), Yesterday (2003), Halfway to Heaven (2008)
Irish 2,000 Guineas - (6) - Desert King (1997), Saffron Walden (1999), Black Minnaloushe (2001), Rock of Gibraltar (2002), Henrythenavigator (2008), Mastercraftsman (2009)
Irish Champion Stakes - (5) - Giant's Causeway (2000), High Chaparral (2003), Oratorio (2005), Dylan Thomas (2006, 2007)
Irish Derby - (7) - Desert King (1997), Galileo (2001), High Chaparral (2002), Dylan Thomas (2006), Soldier of Fortune (2007), Frozen Fire (2008), Fame and Glory (2009)
Irish Oaks - (3) - Alexandrova (2006), Peeping Fawn (2007), Moonstone (2008)
Irish St. Leger - (2) - Yeats (2007), Septimus (2008)
Moyglare Stud Stakes - (4) - Sequoyah (2000), Quarter Moon (2001), Necklace (2003), Rumplestiltskin (2005)
National Stakes - (7) - Desert King (1996), King of Kings (1997), Beckett (2000), Hawk Wing (2001), One Cool Cat (2003), George Washington (2005), Mastercraftsman (2008)
Phoenix Stakes - (10) - Lavery (1998), Fasliyev (1999), Minardi (2000), Johannesburg (2001), Spartacus (2002), One Cool Cat (2003), George Washington (2005), Holy Roman Emperor (2006), Mastercraftsman (2008), Alfred Nobel (2009)
Pretty Polly Stakes - (1) - Peeping Fawn (2007)
Tattersalls Gold Cup - (4) - Black Sam Bellamy (2003), Powerscourt (2004), Duke of Marmalade (2008), Fame and Glory (2010)
Canada
Canadian International - (1) - Ballingarry (2002)
France
Poule d'Essai des Poulains - (3) - Landseer (2002), Aussie Rules (2006), Astronomer Royal (2007)
Poule d'Essai des Pouliches - (1) - Rose Gypsy (2001)
Critérium International - (2) - Mount Nelson (2006), Jan Vermeer (2009)
Critérium de Saint-Cloud - (3) - Ballingarry (2001), Alberto Giacometti (2002), Fame and Glory (2008)
Grand Prix de Paris - (1) - Scorpion (2005)
Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe - (1) - Dylan Thomas (2007)
Prix Ganay - (2) - Dylan Thomas (2007), Duke of Marmalade (2008)
Prix Jean-Luc Lagardère - (7) - Second Empire (1997), Ciro (1999), Rock of Gibraltar (2001), Hold That Tiger (2002), Oratorio (2004), Horatio Nelson (2005), Holy Roman Emperor (2006)
Prix Lupin - (1) - Ciro (2000)
Prix Marcel Boussac - (1) - Rumplestiltskin (2005)
Prix Maurice de Gheest - (1) - King Charlemagne (2001)
Prix Morny - (3) - Orpen (1998), Fasliyev (1999), Johannesburg (2001)
Prix du Moulin de Longchamp - (1) - Rock of Gibraltar (2002)
Prix Royal-Oak - (1) - Yeats (2008)
Prix de la Salamandre - (1) - Giant's Causeway (1999)
Great Britain
1,000 Guineas - (1) - Virginia Waters (2005)
2,000 Guineas - (5) - King of Kings (1998), Rock of Gibraltar (2002), Footstepsinthesand (2005), George Washington (2006), Henrythenavigator (2008)
Ascot Gold Cup - (4) - Yeats (2006, 2007, 2008, 2009)
Champion Hurdle - (3) - Istabraq (1998, 1999, 2000)
Coronation Cup - (3) - Yeats (2005), Scorpion (2007), Soldier of Fortune (2008)
Coronation Stakes - (1) - Sophisticat (2002)
Dante Stakes - (4) - Saratoga Springs (1998), Septimus (2006), Black Bear Island (2009), Cape Blanco (2010)
Derby Stakes - (2) - Galileo (2001), High Chaparral (2002)
Dewhurst Stakes - (2) - Rock of Gibraltar (2001), Beethoven (2009)
Eclipse Stakes - (4) - Giant's Causeway (2000), Hawk Wing (2002), Oratorio (2005), Mount Nelson (2008)
Fillies' Mile - (2) - Sunspangled (1998), Listen (2007)
International Stakes - (2) - Giant's Causeway (2000), Duke of Marmalade (2008)
July Cup - (2) - Stravinsky (1999), Mozart (2001)
King George VI and Queen Elizabeth Stakes - (3) - Galileo (2001), Dylan Thomas (2007), Duke of Marmalade (2008)
Lockinge Stakes - (1) - Hawk Wing (2003)
Middle Park Stakes - (3) - Minardi (2000), Johannesburg (2001), Ad Valorem (2004)
Nassau Stakes - (2) - Peeping Fawn (2007), Halfway to Heaven (2008)
Nunthorpe Stakes - (2) - Stravinsky (1999), Mozart (2001)
Oaks - (3) - Shahtoush (1998), Imagine (2001), Alexandrova (2006)
Prince of Wales's Stakes - (1) - Duke of Marmalade (2008)
Queen Anne Stakes - (2) - Ad Valorem (2006), Haradasun (2008)
Queen Elizabeth II Stakes - (2) - George Washington (2006), Rip Van Winkle (2009)
Racing Post Trophy - (5) - Saratoga Springs (1997), Aristotle (1999), High Chaparral (2001), Brian Boru (2002), St Nicholas Abbey (2009)
St. James's Palace Stakes - (6) - Giant's Causeway (2000), Black Minnaloushe (2001), Rock of Gibraltar (2002), Excellent Art (2007), Henrythenavigator (2008), Mastercraftsman (2009)
St. Leger - (3) - Milan (2001), Brian Boru (2003), Scorpion (2005)
Sun Chariot Stakes - (1) - Halfway to Heaven (2008)
Sussex Stakes - (4) - Giant's Causeway (2000), Rock of Gibraltar (2002), Henrythenavigator (2008), Rip Van Winkle (2009)
Whitbread Gold Cup - (1) - Life of a Lord (1996)
Yorkshire Oaks - (2) - Alexandrova (2006), Peeping Fawn (2007)
Italy
Gran Criterium - (2) - Sholokhov (2001), Spartacus (2002)
Gran Premio del Jockey Club - (1) - Black Sam Bellamy (2002)
United States
Arlington Million - (1) - Powerscourt (2005)
Breeders' Cup Juvenile - (1) - Johannesburg (2001)
Breeders' Cup Marathon - (1) - Man of Iron (2009)
Breeders' Cup Turf - (2) - High Chaparral (2002, 2003 DH)
Secretariat Stakes - (1) - Ciro (2000)
Shadwell Turf Mile Stakes - (2) - Landseer (2002), Aussie Rules (2006)
Wouldn't train dogs to p1ss against a lamppost that man
Irish 2,000 Guineas - (6) - Desert King (1997), Saffron Walden (1999), Black Minnaloushe (2001), Rock of Gibraltar (2002), Henrythenavigator (2008), Mastercraftsman (2009)
Irish Champion Stakes - (5) - Giant's Causeway (2000), High Chaparral (2003), Oratorio (2005), Dylan Thomas (2006, 2007)
Irish Derby - (7) - Desert King (1997), Galileo (2001), High Chaparral (2002), Dylan Thomas (2006), Soldier of Fortune (2007), Frozen Fire (2008), Fame and Glory (2009)
Irish Oaks - (3) - Alexandrova (2006), Peeping Fawn (2007), Moonstone (2008)
Irish St. Leger - (2) - Yeats (2007), Septimus (2008)
Moyglare Stud Stakes - (4) - Sequoyah (2000), Quarter Moon (2001), Necklace (2003), Rumplestiltskin (2005)
National Stakes - (7) - Desert King (1996), King of Kings (1997), Beckett (2000), Hawk Wing (2001), One Cool Cat (2003), George Washington (2005), Mastercraftsman (2008)
Phoenix Stakes - (10) - Lavery (1998), Fasliyev (1999), Minardi (2000), Johannesburg (2001), Spartacus (2002), One Cool Cat (2003), George Washington (2005), Holy Roman Emperor (2006), Mastercraftsman (2008), Alfred Nobel (2009)
Pretty Polly Stakes - (1) - Peeping Fawn (2007)
Tattersalls Gold Cup - (4) - Black Sam Bellamy (2003), Powerscourt (2004), Duke of Marmalade (2008), Fame and Glory (2010)
Canada
Canadian International - (1) - Ballingarry (2002)
France
Poule d'Essai des Poulains - (3) - Landseer (2002), Aussie Rules (2006), Astronomer Royal (2007)
Poule d'Essai des Pouliches - (1) - Rose Gypsy (2001)
Critérium International - (2) - Mount Nelson (2006), Jan Vermeer (2009)
Critérium de Saint-Cloud - (3) - Ballingarry (2001), Alberto Giacometti (2002), Fame and Glory (2008)
Grand Prix de Paris - (1) - Scorpion (2005)
Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe - (1) - Dylan Thomas (2007)
Prix Ganay - (2) - Dylan Thomas (2007), Duke of Marmalade (2008)
Prix Jean-Luc Lagardère - (7) - Second Empire (1997), Ciro (1999), Rock of Gibraltar (2001), Hold That Tiger (2002), Oratorio (2004), Horatio Nelson (2005), Holy Roman Emperor (2006)
Prix Lupin - (1) - Ciro (2000)
Prix Marcel Boussac - (1) - Rumplestiltskin (2005)
Prix Maurice de Gheest - (1) - King Charlemagne (2001)
Prix Morny - (3) - Orpen (1998), Fasliyev (1999), Johannesburg (2001)
Prix du Moulin de Longchamp - (1) - Rock of Gibraltar (2002)
Prix Royal-Oak - (1) - Yeats (2008)
Prix de la Salamandre - (1) - Giant's Causeway (1999)
Great Britain
1,000 Guineas - (1) - Virginia Waters (2005)
2,000 Guineas - (5) - King of Kings (1998), Rock of Gibraltar (2002), Footstepsinthesand (2005), George Washington (2006), Henrythenavigator (2008)
Ascot Gold Cup - (4) - Yeats (2006, 2007, 2008, 2009)
Champion Hurdle - (3) - Istabraq (1998, 1999, 2000)
Coronation Cup - (3) - Yeats (2005), Scorpion (2007), Soldier of Fortune (2008)
Coronation Stakes - (1) - Sophisticat (2002)
Dante Stakes - (4) - Saratoga Springs (1998), Septimus (2006), Black Bear Island (2009), Cape Blanco (2010)
Derby Stakes - (2) - Galileo (2001), High Chaparral (2002)
Dewhurst Stakes - (2) - Rock of Gibraltar (2001), Beethoven (2009)
Eclipse Stakes - (4) - Giant's Causeway (2000), Hawk Wing (2002), Oratorio (2005), Mount Nelson (2008)
Fillies' Mile - (2) - Sunspangled (1998), Listen (2007)
International Stakes - (2) - Giant's Causeway (2000), Duke of Marmalade (2008)
July Cup - (2) - Stravinsky (1999), Mozart (2001)
King George VI and Queen Elizabeth Stakes - (3) - Galileo (2001), Dylan Thomas (2007), Duke of Marmalade (2008)
Lockinge Stakes - (1) - Hawk Wing (2003)
Middle Park Stakes - (3) - Minardi (2000), Johannesburg (2001), Ad Valorem (2004)
Nassau Stakes - (2) - Peeping Fawn (2007), Halfway to Heaven (2008)
Nunthorpe Stakes - (2) - Stravinsky (1999), Mozart (2001)
Oaks - (3) - Shahtoush (1998), Imagine (2001), Alexandrova (2006)
Prince of Wales's Stakes - (1) - Duke of Marmalade (2008)
Queen Anne Stakes - (2) - Ad Valorem (2006), Haradasun (2008)
Queen Elizabeth II Stakes - (2) - George Washington (2006), Rip Van Winkle (2009)
Racing Post Trophy - (5) - Saratoga Springs (1997), Aristotle (1999), High Chaparral (2001), Brian Boru (2002), St Nicholas Abbey (2009)
St. James's Palace Stakes - (6) - Giant's Causeway (2000), Black Minnaloushe (2001), Rock of Gibraltar (2002), Excellent Art (2007), Henrythenavigator (2008), Mastercraftsman (2009)
St. Leger - (3) - Milan (2001), Brian Boru (2003), Scorpion (2005)
Sun Chariot Stakes - (1) - Halfway to Heaven (2008)
Sussex Stakes - (4) - Giant's Causeway (2000), Rock of Gibraltar (2002), Henrythenavigator (2008), Rip Van Winkle (2009)
Whitbread Gold Cup - (1) - Life of a Lord (1996)
Yorkshire Oaks - (2) - Alexandrova (2006), Peeping Fawn (2007)
Italy
Gran Criterium - (2) - Sholokhov (2001), Spartacus (2002)
Gran Premio del Jockey Club - (1) - Black Sam Bellamy (2002)
United States
Arlington Million - (1) - Powerscourt (2005)
Breeders' Cup Juvenile - (1) - Johannesburg (2001)
Breeders' Cup Marathon - (1) - Man of Iron (2009)
Breeders' Cup Turf - (2) - High Chaparral (2002, 2003 DH)
Secretariat Stakes - (1) - Ciro (2000)
Shadwell Turf Mile Stakes - (2) - Landseer (2002), Aussie Rules (2006)
Wouldn't train dogs to p1ss against a lamppost that man
how many of the above winners werent bred at coolmore.thanks in advance.
bit busy today but def Istabraq and Life of a Lord anyway[;)]
Crouching , not doubting the uncontested ability to train winners in all branches of the sport . My observation merely echoes the sentiments of a lot of punters out there who listen to the interviews etc . In my book , forget the hype and trust ONLY what you have seen , not what they are supposed to be doing at home .
Kelly - I agree with your sentiments entirely, to be honest I was only on the wind up with Glenivy
They don't run the horses for the general public, they don't run the horses for the Irish people, they don't run the horses for the good of racing, they don't run the horses for punters.
When will people get this? They run the horses for themselves and for stud purposes in future. And they do that better than anyone else to walk the planet.
Nothing but complete admiration for them, and listening to all these mugs complaining about them all time is starting to become very grating.
When will people get this? They run the horses for themselves and for stud purposes in future. And they do that better than anyone else to walk the planet.
Nothing but complete admiration for them, and listening to all these mugs complaining about them all time is starting to become very grating.
Of course crouching the stats are impressive but if VOB had his firepower I'd say his list would be an awful lot longer imo of course. What beats me is the multiple entry approach. Jeez its smacks of indecisiveness and a mentality of launching everything at the board and maybe something will stick a bit like a punter backing five or six in a race at long odds on. Surely training horses should bring a more lucid and clearer outlook or maybe I'm missing something here.
Christ allez your very condescending imo. Every trainer and owner runs their horse for their own purpose not just Coolmore. Their self interest was evident when they sold the Phoenix Park and of course when things got tough in the late 80's they had to call on the public, to fund their activities via Classic Thoroughbreds. BTW I'm sure that day will return again. What pisses me off, and others I'm sure, is their voicebox eulogising every creature that comes out of that emporium as if his power of analysis and lucidity and decisiveness has been left in one of the stables he has just vacated.
eh? "bit busy today?"... less than an hour ago you post a gigantic thread........ mmmmmmmm.....strange.
I am amazed APOB has not had a July Cup winner since 2001 considering the amount of horses he reckons could have had the speed for it. Very strange.
slickster 30 May 10 00:48
eh? "bit busy today?"... less than an hour ago you post a gigantic thread........ mmmmmmmm.....strange.
not really - i've long since mastered the skill of cut and paste from wikipedia!
eh? "bit busy today?"... less than an hour ago you post a gigantic thread........ mmmmmmmm.....strange.
not really - i've long since mastered the skill of cut and paste from wikipedia!
Crouching , you are obviously a technocrat . Have not mastered that skill myself , and I know it is useful quite often . Must consult some of the family younger fry , no doubt they can advise me . Cheers .
slickster
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vc. cut and paste. quite.
Touché lol
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vc. cut and paste. quite.
Touché lol
i was accepting your rapier wit...although given ur reply i might have been a bit premature
Call me cynical but after the weekend that was it`s probably even more likely we wont see SNA again. Will they spin the wheel and take on Workforce at the Curragh or spin their bull and pack him off to the shed?
Only 22 days between Derbys, he wont be fit enough in time for The Curragh, IMO.
Believe what you want though
Believe what you want though
Well,your master is quoted in todays RP as saying the vet recommended giving SNA the month of June off, so he must be rated as highly unlikely to reappear there.
However, if Workforce goes for the KG instead, maybe my cynicism might return along with a surprise reappearance.
However, if Workforce goes for the KG instead, maybe my cynicism might return along with a surprise reappearance.
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29 May 10 12:35
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That there was one Master of Ballydoyle and he has passed away."
Agree
29 May 10 12:35
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That there was one Master of Ballydoyle and he has passed away."
Agree
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