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VC might as well be getting their morning prices from Ronald McDonald for all the faith they place in them.
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shane knows his onions from what i hear
i also have heard most books who use exchanges are laying one of the first 3 in market to balance their books ....not laying off mug bets cant see exchange boycott having real impact |
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He might well do. And he he might know his mushrooms, peppers and carrots aswell. He may in fact know everything there is to know about the ingredients for spicy Mexican fajitas. However, given VC's price tracking software, they clearly have no faith in their Irish odds man. I don't see them pricing Irish racing up before Powers or taking any sort of a view when their prices come in either.
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no idea about his odds just making the point that he does indeed know his Allium cepa
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Thanks for that Liam.
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NOT a rasher in ring today bookies walking around banging into to each other
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Never mind a rasher, was there any spicy Mexican fajitas doing the rounds?
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Scotsirish clearly doesnt like Thurles has ran below par there three times now................
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CC you are right on here. I think VC etc can do what they like. We have BF to trade but most on here lay S F all to decent money at stand out odds. Yet they cry when VC won't take their money.
As it was VC were stand out a few times today. I took the 9/10 on Luska Lad with them. Also they went 6/4 Rhyl Accord longest odds. Unfortunately I followed them and laid a few bob at that price. Nice price for those takers and he dots up at 4/5 :( |
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CALLING CARD 26 Nov 20:58
just compile your own prices and pick off the value.maybe all the contributors are just like the aforementioned ian marmiom and cant judge an apple from a pear bit harsh me thinks!!!! I'd have at least thought u'd spell my name right, happy to have an account with you at ur prices CC and u can have all my apples and pears.....i'll return the compliment as well |
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Hey crouchingtiger1 or Ian any chance of reopening my account please?
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christ limestone you must have had 50 e/w on a 16/1 shot that went off 4's and finished 2nd.
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Do all the bookies turn up anymore. I noticed that a few them dont even employ staff anymore. So things must not be going good in Ring. It appears as if its a sinking ship
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crouchingtiger1 sorry for spelling
u misunderstood my post my point was that most punters need a tissue from betfair before deciding value i punt not lay |
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Any difference in the ring at Fairyhouse on Wednesday?
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Thought this was another thread about the Church
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All still followed machine yesterday, bar Davy in the 6th took a stand on the fav, rest of them were in line with Betfair all day.
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What were the over rounds like today in Navan?
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race1 - 180%!!
race2 - 112 race3 - 147 race4 - 120 race5 - 130 race6 - 135 race7 - 136 |
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Any wise words from the tiger (crouching that is)
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When the last fav was 5/4 with top pitch on the rails he was 15/8 on here!!
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All laptops were switched on at the week-end.
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Haven't heard anything about the Irish ring boycotting Betfair or Purple.
In reality though, I would say the Irish ring is a relatively modest part of Betfair's Irish business; and a drop in the ocean of their total revenues. The genie is out of the bottle along time now, imo. |
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The overrounds posted by Jasonk tell it all .
In the "old days " ie pre-Betfair , the punters had virtually no options regarding prices . They have now courtesy of 2 exchanges , and it would be interesting to know how many connections of the ( smaller) stables use them to advantage . And good luck to them , owning and paying for training of a horse belongs in the "luxury" category , particularly in the post Celtic Tiger era ( should that have a small T given the fall from grace ? ) . Most of the people ( including the bookies ) in Irish racing circles are pragmatic , and adjustments to deal with the new economic circumstances will happen quietly . Everyone ( and that includes punters ) is looking at ways of cutting down expenditure , fripperies , unnecessary expense . Value is the only way to survive crises . Just hope there is enough momentum in the train to emerge out of the tunnel relatively unscathed . |
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ALL books in line with betfair ban have orange stickers on boards
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does any one really believe that the ring is not heging on the bet fair
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there doin they re best to keep money in ring ,if the books buy into it it ill work if there holding more money they ill start to believe,there holding so little now at race meetings the way they look at it any thing is worth a go
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Driveon- Stop will ya please,you really dont know anything about what you are talking about.Im not going to elaborate,but im not sure you realise what kind of state most layers are in at the moment in the ring.And a bit of news for them,and that is its going to get even worse,but sadly they dont seem to recognise that fact.
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I was only remarking at Navan last Saturday (22 bookies) how few compared to a good few years ago ( nearly 80 so I was told)
God be the days, when Des Fox, Terry Rogers, old Sean Graham. Paddy and Davy Meehan were the king pins of the ring. Malachy Skelly and even J P Mcmanus stood in the ring too. Chronicle seem to have gone awol a lot these days. Also I haven't noticed David Power as regular too. As long as Davy Hyland is in the ring, there will always be some atmosphere. Michael Naghten, Luke McMahon, and John Dineen three of the better layers of recent times have packed it in. |
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this can only benefit the off track books and betfair
less value for on track punters will push them towards the machine and shorter SPs on fancied horses will greatly please the big chains |
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Spurs to buy big -The way you describe the situation is spot on,its propably a perfect assesment of the situation,but sadly the bookies that remain cant see or at least wont admit to whats going on.Rising expenses coupled with rapidly diminishing turnover have meant most ventures to race meetings by an on course bookie completely unviable.Bar Galway and possibly Listowel,making a book was a joke this year,with Derby Day at the Curragh being the biggest dissapointment of all.
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JIMEEN i do know what i am talking about ,just letting you know the story about orange stickers,kinda sick of ye lads going on and on about d hyland his not all that. far better men in the ring ,the likes of jim fanning ,skellys,brian campbell,mullvanneys,o neills all lay you what they can are very fair and always pay
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but hyland will really lay one big time if he doesnt fancy it
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It will be interesting to see if there is any money about at Christmas at Leopardstown. Lexus day is one of the best betting days of the year.
My own view is that the crowd will hold up well so if the bookmakers play the game then turnover could be OK. Driveon just to tell you that some of the people you are preaching to are (or at least were) on course bookmakers themselves so you would be as well of listening to them. A story I heard recently about Derby day. An oncourse bookmaker who works down the line was so disgusted with business on the day that he walked up to the rails before the Derby as he had heard of the terrific business there and had always been too busy before himself other years to see it. I can attest myself that in days gone by the Rails on Derby Day was the busiest ring in the Country. He was standing behind the biggest layer on the rails and saw him lay a 1200/100 a horse win only. He then watched in disbelief as the same bookmaker had 60 of it back on the machine at 14. That will tell you how much he was holding in the race. Frightening |
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CLOSURE theres nothing i dont know about the bookmaking side of it as i have a relation who is one and i work wit them regularly ,i ve seen the derby days in the curragh wit 25 runner handicaps and holding 170 on it and the jolly costing 700 and not a bet in the place it makes laugh to listen to ye on about betting holding up in leo at xmas there was nt a there bet last yr not to say this year even the old reliables like thurles and kilbeggan where they always got a few quid are fcuked ,i really feel sad for the whole game ,but some of the people on here seem to thrive on bookmakers going bad or going bust ,it wont make ye any richer or happier ,it just make going racing very dull
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Basically what has happened in English racecourses has been replicated over here,it usually took 3 to 4 years for it to materialise but like clockwork it did eventually happen.I'l give people a list of some of the things that i am referring to.
1.Lights Boards 2.Computerisation 3.Printed tickets 4.Exchanges getting a foothold and ultimately taking over. 5.Pitches deceasing sharply in value with most becoming worthless 6.Midweek meetings becoming unprofitable and ultimately unviable 7.Punters on busy days largely consisting of messers with either a fiver in their hand or a pint of lager. 8.Collapse in general turnover 9.Increase in the number of bookmakers raising the white flag. 10.Almost every single regular big player realising that they had no business trying to bet at a racecourse. |
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huddys..ya he ll lay ya no bother!! Join the rest of them in the black book if it wins. Clueless you are.Just cos a lad
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Jim
11. Huge big BETFAIR tv screens around the parade ring ! |
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I went racing fairly regularly 5-6 years ago. I dont go now as I prefer to be able to back and then lay my selection In-Play if things arent going to plan. For me betting with on course bookmakers is out-dated and of no interest to me.
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Unfortunately for the future of the racing game in these islands , tracks without bookies present and active would be as dull as ditchwater . The demise of the bookies would rob the tracks of a lot of interest , although if there were no bookies and just "Betfair/exchange " betting facilities the on track punters might well get better value than at present . After all Betfair SP beats bookies SP in most races , even allowing for commission .
The question of the returned odds for each horse is a major element involved in future developments . At the moment SP returned is designed to suit the offices , those on track basically dont care per se about SP , the only thing relevant to them is what is entered at what odds in their betting ledger . SP's now need to reflect the overall betting on a race , involving on course , offices , and the exchanges . Trick is accomodating each element fairly , everyone needs to be able to get a return for effort , otherwise there is no point in being involved . But no single element of the quoted "triumvirate " can get way with rip- off . |