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Herbiebore indulged in a CAPS LOCK bout of swearing at me and the thread disappeared shortly afterwards,Implausible
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I got a flipping warning from BF today, but don't know whether it was to do with my contribution on the CH thread which I would doubt but as the thread has gone maybe so or whether it was my row with mes on the fantasy thread, surprised either way, disappointed either way particularly if I was reported, first time in 23 years.!!
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Quite a few more threads need to be taken down.
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Gethin was reported to have been trying this trip for the first time, that’s wrong, he’s been 2nd at Saint - Cloud last year.
He pulls too hard for me, with the likely pacemakers that might help him to settle. He gets the chunk of weight from Bay City as he did against Ombudsman. The intriguing one could be Tornado Alert who wasn’t beaten far last time having been off the track for a year. |
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“With Moore booked to ride for Aidan O'Brien and Willie Mullins in the US on Saturday and Murphy pencilled in to ride Tornado Alert for Saeed bin Suroor in the September Stakes, connections of Constitution Hill have snapped up jockeys' championship leader Loughnane. “
From the article with Hendo talking about getting Billy, that’s a conundrum for Murphy as SbS has been his go to and you’d think Scott would want him onboard for Bay. Still we’ll see what transpires… |
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I get the feeling Bay City Roller is only 50/50 to run here. Now the rain has finally come I think there's better options for him.
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Rain arrived where Whippin?
He talked about two other options, the Irish Champion or the Foy but said it’s quick out there and wants to take Daryz on his terms in the actual race. |
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Gethin was probably flattered to get so close to Ombudsman at Sandown and his subsequent run confirmed this to be the case. He'll be better back on the AW but his strongest piece of form is beating Devils Advocate 3L. Which really isn't anything to write home about! Pride of Arras is trying the AW for the first time, saves his best for York and just isn't a horse I've ever rated. So, I'm with you Del in that Tornado is the value play along with CH at 12s & 10s. I think there's still some juice in the 8s if you know BCR wasn't running. As for the rest, they appear to be G3 Horses and handicappers looking to make the step up. So you pays your money and you take your chance with those
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Sorry but i can’t take any race seriously which is run on AW,mid week stuff is ok for playing but it’s not for quality horses imo….apart from American racing.
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*Tornado Alert
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You're taking complete nonsense form. Enable raced on the AW.
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Cheers Whippin and the juice looks good because he’s not rated out of it. I’m not a fan of the AW but this is an interesting race.
Pride of Arras is also entered in the Prix Foy the next day. |
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Last year's running of the race
1st 2 (3) Giavellotto 69-7 9/4 T: M BottiJ: Oisin Murphy Handy in 2nd, led 3f out, pushed along and faced challenge over 2f out, joined well over 1f out and ridden, forging on when edged left 110 yards out, ran on well to assert tchd 2/1 My Stable 2nd 1 ½ 4 (6) Kalpana 49-4 1/2f T: A M BaldingJ: Colin Keane Tracked leaders, closed going well to press leader over 2f out, disputed lead well over 1f out and ridden, soon drifted right briefly, stayed on until slightly hampered and no extra 110 yards out tchd 4/9 and tchd 8/15 My Stable 3rd ¾ 3 (4) Meydaan 49-7 16/1 T: S & E CrisfordJ: J Mitchell Chased leaders, ridden over 2f out, kept on but no impression on front pair op 14/1 |
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Tell me again that 'quality' horses don't run on the AW
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Aceform rarely thinks before posting,WP.
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Murphy has appeared as booked to ride, just been updated.
I’m wary of him over this distance (Gethin) as you say you have his best run on this surface. |
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I know fine well the good horses run on the AW…..just not my thing……admittedly one or two will slip through…
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If they have CH back to how he was before Southwell he'll go close/Win. Square Necker is a solid 100+ horse and although he didn't run that great in the Ebor, he won't be the first horse to run a poor race at York and he most certainly won't be the last!
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Fair enough form. I think a lot trainers like the AW. I think if there were more group races on the AW they would be very well supported
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Thus charade needs to end. Presuming he turns up on Saturday that's 3 all weather runs since February. No turf runs which surely was the aim, weather permitting. As a near 10 year old there is very little to gain by keeping him in training now.
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I think whippin and I were in the minority for CH to run on the flat, most arguing about him being too old or not in love with the game. Seems to have disproved the nay-sayers so far but NH states this is a race he cannot win but must run to qualify for Heritage Handicaps. It will be a watching brief with just a small ew with fingers crossed he runs well enough to carry on for the Autumn.
No mention of Banbridge making his flat debut today at the age of 10 nor horses winning at 13 this year and yet plenty want to see CH in a paddock despite being bred to race and not plod around for many years? |
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Hendo clearly has much to learn from sages like the potless fantasist,Dickster,who stated the horse wouldn't win on its debut
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John Dunlop was a big critic of the AW WP….another well known respected judge on a popular Sunday night podcast would call for all tracks to be AW,including Newmarket….
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I think myself and Cag would have loved to have seen CH switch to the Flat after his Supreme Hurdle win
As long as he enjoys his training and his racing, I'm going to enjoy watching him. I mean, he hasn't exactly disgraced himself thus far and his story has 99% of racing fans a mix of interested/excited. Kempton will be absolutely packed on Saturday! |
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If he does win on Saturday (I wouldn't put it past him) The Canadian International Stakes looks a good fit - 1M4F trip, long galloping straight run on good/softish going and the timing fits with it being run on 3rd October. Older European Horses have a good record in the race, remember that other Hill....Collier Hill(8yo)? And more recently Walton Street (7yo) Desert Encounter (7yo)
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duffy 31 Aug 26 18:30
I got a flipping warning from BF today, by what means? |
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No mention of Banbridge making his flat debut today at the age of 10 nor horses winning at 13 this year and yet plenty want to see CH in a paddock despite being bred to race and not plod around for many years?
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There is no bigger fan of constitution hill than me. I have abstained from posting for a few years but I feel the urge to give this thread my opinion.
On official ratings CH needs to find 10ib to just be placed. That isn't impossible, what is unlikely though is him winning imho. You wouldn't be surprised if the headlines on Saturday night weren't Ch beats one home or Ch finishes 4th or 5th ! However I do remember Moore and co saying the horse wasn't even tired after Kempton the last day. And I know there was a comment or two about that fact the horse didn't blow for very long at all. The big question mark for me is can he hold up to the finishing pace of proven group performers hense the midfield to worse finishing position I expect! I have alleyed myself to plenty of 12/1 from a few shops in the surrounding areas however I will be laying off for small profit as I fully expect him to be massively over bet !! |
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Nicky Henderson expects to have a much clearer idea of whether the Melbourne Cup dream can become a reality for Constitution Hill after Saturday’s William Hill September Stakes at Kempton.
The former superstar hurdler was among 101 initial entries for the Flemington showpiece released on Tuesday, and Henderson revealed he has had “various visitations” from the Victoria Racing Club team to set the wheels in motion ahead of a potential trip to Australia. |
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SEATHESTARS....NO1 01 Sep 26 18:05
On official ratings CH needs to find 10ib to just be placed. That isn't impossible at approaching 10 its more than a million. (imo) |
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Don’t know who I’m sick of hearing about the most messi or constitution hill
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both legends.
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both retired by Saturday night
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Can anyone read that last post? It's not there so don't know if there is a glitch that I ain't aware of with this forum nowadays but I clicked the quote button in reply to Rico above last comment
Just said saying improvement is the wrong terminology to use, at the age of 9, we actually have never seen his ceiling in eithe discipline so I am intrigued as is anyone else. You are correct to say both are legends though I don't know much about football I can respect Messi. |
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Kieren Fallon seems to think the horse has a chance, though I don't subscribe to the rp anymore I can only read the headline
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Kieren Fallon: 'Constitution Hill has every chance at Kempton - all good horses have speed and he’s got plenty of it'
Stay up to date with the latest racing news and tips. Click here to add us to your Google preferred sources and never miss a story or find out more here TODAY'S OFFERS 12 All Offers Chevron Exclusive new customer sign up offers Skybet logoPaddypower logoWilliamhill logoLadbrokes logoBet365 logoCoral logoTote logo**** logoSbk logoSpreadex logoBetfred logo10bet logo FREE BETS Chevron down Six-time champion jockey Kieren Fallon has backed Constitution Hill to cause an upset in Saturday's William Hill September Stakes at Kempton, believing the jumps superstar is capable of showing "a lot better" than he has so far on the Flat. The eight-time Grade 1-winning hurdler will make his third start on the Flat and faces his toughest test as he steps into Group 3 company for his return from a 164-day break following his last victory on the all-weather at Kempton. The course-and-distance winner is best-priced 7-1 for the contest, in which he will face 9-4 favourite Gethin, who was last seen finishing fifth in the Coral-Eclipse, and dual Group 1 winner Bay City Roller, the second favourite after winning the Coronation Cup on his latest start. Faced with such strong opposition, trainer Nicky Henderson has made no secret of his concerns about Constitution Hill maintaining his unbeaten record on the Flat, but Fallon is more confident. “I think it’s interesting," said Fallon. "He is worth talking about. He was a superstar over jumps and he’s making inroads on the Flat. He gets the public interested. “His speed figures will be a lot better than what he is showing at the moment, even if he hasn’t improved. He had plenty in hand when Ryan won on him at Kempton. “All good horses have speed, whether they’re hurdlers or whatever, and he’s got plenty of speed and stamina. “It’s going to be an interesting race. It’s a good race, but Constitution Hill has every chance, for sure. He’s a straightforward horse as well. There are no quirks to him." Constitution Hill: made it two from two on the Flat at Kempton Constitution Hill: won over course and distance at Kempton last time Credit: Edward Whitaker (racingpost.com/photos) Constitution Hill has had some illustrious partners on the Flat, having been ridden by champion jockeys Ryan Moore and Oisin Murphy, and his latest rider is bidding to join that company. Billy Loughnane is chasing the title for the first time and has opened up a lead on reigning champion Murphy, with 113 winners to his rival's 99. Murphy, who rode Constitution Hill on his Flat debut, offered his thoughts on the partnership, saying: “Constitution Hill is a lovely horse and Billy is riding at the top of his game. He will enjoy riding him. “It will be great to see him race against top horses and obviously his ideal conditions might be on slow turf over a little further.” Billy Loughnane and Oisin Murphy: title rivals are both in action at Goodwood Billy Loughnane and Oisin Murphy are battling it out at the top of the jockeys' championship Credit: Edward Whitaker (racingpost.com/photos) The jockeys’ championship concludes on British Champions Day at Ascot on October 17, and Fallon expects the battle between Loughnane and Murphy to go down to the wire. He added: “Billy is great. He’s in a duel with Oisin, and Oisin is not going to go down without a fight. Anything could happen in the meantime. They’re both throwing everything at it. The big ones count and, deep down, it all counts. Nobody wants to lose." Fallon rides work for Charlie Appleby and believes the trainer's Arabian Crown, who was beaten half a length in the Princess of Wales's Stakes when sent off at 18-1 last time, could go well. The five-year-old is a best-priced 14-1 for Saturday and is set to line up alongside 25-1 stablemate By The Book. “It’s a tough race," added Fallon. "Charlie has two runners in there. I’m not sure if he will run them or not. I know he's probably not what they thought Arabian Crown was going to be, but he was one of the favourites for the Derby at one stage. He’s had a few setbacks but, in his own right, he’s not a bad horse and he would love it around there. “If Charlie runs By The Book, who is a front-runner, it would suit everyone, including Arabian Crown.”William Hill September Stakes (Kempton, Saturday) William Hill September Stakes (2.50 Kempton, Saturday) William Hill: 2 Gethin, 10-3 Bay City Roller, 4 Pride Of Arras, 6 Tornado Alert, 7 Constitution Hill, 10 bar. |
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You can throw dettori in with those two also
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Thanks for that Saxon
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